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Jumbo - QuickStep merger

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Unless i guess Remco would indeed be OK with focusing more on classics. Here JV is still lacking. And Tour would be more of an afterthought. Like Pogi did it this season. Has put more emphasise on the classics then stage racing.
If Remco is fine with this move, it must be because he thinks working with Jumbo staff will improve is GT preparation. If he want to focus on one day races, he might as well stay at Soudal and save himself the tribulation of cohabitation with all the other JV leaders
 
If Remco is fine with this move, it must be because he thinks working with Jumbo staff will improve is GT preparation. If he want to focus on one day races, he might as well stay at Soudal and save himself the tribulation of cohabitation with all the other JV leaders

If the merger occurs then he can't stay at SOQ. At a team such as Ineos, there it would be expected to do good at stage races. In potentially merged team. Here the team as a whole would likely win classics and stage races. But not necessary with Remco. Although for classics i feel that Remco would be in a rather good position to win. We'll see.
 
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It will be interesting to see which top leaders stay and leave. I think Remco would be a better fit and in higher demand at Ineos for GC and classics. But this would be a perfect opportunity for Roglic to get out, and the merged team will probably want at least one of the two of them.
 
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That's not why they are struggling to find a sponsor though. They didn't sign all these riders and now think: wait, this has become too expensive. It's just because their main sponsor quit, and as explained, Jumbo weren't as huge a sponsor as some people believe: little over 10 million a year, for cycling and speedskating combined. So let's say the men's cycling team gets 9 million of that, and I'm being very generous here. That they struggle to find even that kind of money is not because their team is too expensive, but because cycling has a serious problem. It's either Middle Eastern money or sugar daddies like Zdenek Bakala that keeps these teams afloat.

Jumbo was also basically a sugar daddy: it's a family owned company. But the family have found themselves in some troubled waters this past year. The father died and the son is in jail for money laundering. Sports sponsorship is not top of their priorities list.
That’s really useful context for what’s happening. Thanks
 
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It's easier to steal a sponsor away from another team that has been involved in cycling for as long as Soudal has than to find a sponsor new to cycling.

Soudal is probably worth about €13 million in sponsorship currently and could even kick in a few more €s to be title sponsor of a superteam
 
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People seem to miss that Evenepoel would not be part of this project. If the merger goes through he can cancel his contract and become a free agent. As a free agent he could probably sign a contract twice his current contract and there are multiple teams happy to outbid Jumbo. So it makes a lot of sense for him to use this option and earn a lot more money at a team of his choosing. Also makes a lot more sense for Ineos, Bora, Israel to bid against one another and for Jumbo to not join in in that bidding war. He's much less of a necessity for Jumbo than for those other teams.

It's a sponsor play by Plugge.

Why do you think Wielerflits is publishing these 'analysis' pieces about this merger giving Plugge a chance to compete with the Middle Eastern teams like Emirates, Bahrain and Alula (those last two are real competitors of Plugge....). It's pure PR to help Plugge gather the support (from fans, uci etc) for this 'merger' so he can takeover another sponsor
 
If the merger does not go ahead next year then Jumbo will have to decide about Roglic. He's 34 in October, and does he do the Giro and then support at the Tour, or repeat of this year (Giro & Vuelta)? Vingegaard seems to have first dips for team leader at the Tour, and Jumbo's best chance of winning the Giro would be Roglic but what if he wants to do the Tour? One could see that he's due a chance but ... then who rides the Giro?
Jumbo will have to do some head scratching and sweet talking over the Winter to sort it out, it seems. That's without the sponsor and merger and Hessman problems.
 
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"During the Vuelta, Ekstra Bladet spoke with Jumbo-Visma's director, Richard Plugge, who assured that the crew stood on a solid financial foundation.

- We are here to stay. We have a plan until 2030. We have no worries. We will try to keep our position, but of course other teams will fight for our position, said Plugge.

- Are you saying that you have the economy in place for 2030?

- Yes. We have a good plan and will always have momentum. Maybe even get bigger and stronger. "


Have Soudal & Visma committed to a long-term plan with this merger?
 
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People seem to miss that Evenepoel would not be part of this project. If the merger goes through he can cancel his contract and become a free agent. As a free agent he could probably sign a contract twice his current contract and there are multiple teams happy to outbid Jumbo. So it makes a lot of sense for him to use this option and earn a lot more money at a team of his choosing. Also makes a lot more sense for Ineos, Bora, Israel to bid against one another and for Jumbo to not join in in that bidding war. He's much less of a necessity for Jumbo than for those other teams.

It's a sponsor play by Plugge.

Why do you think Wielerflits is publishing these 'analysis' pieces about this merger giving Plugge a chance to compete with the Middle Eastern teams like Emirates, Bahrain and Alula (those last two are real competitors of Plugge....). It's pure PR to help Plugge gather the support (from fans, uci etc) for this 'merger' so he can takeover another sponsor
Raymond Kerckhoffs isn't in cahoots with Richard Plugge. If anything, it's the opposite.

His analysis is nonsense anyway. Most of his analyses are. It would only make sense if Soudal pays significantly more than Jumbo did, which we're being led to believe by Lefevere is not the case.
 
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People seem to miss that Evenepoel would not be part of this project. If the merger goes through he can cancel his contract and become a free agent. As a free agent he could probably sign a contract twice his current contract and there are multiple teams happy to outbid Jumbo. So it makes a lot of sense for him to use this option and earn a lot more money at a team of his choosing. Also makes a lot more sense for Ineos, Bora, Israel to bid against one another and for Jumbo to not join in in that bidding war. He's much less of a necessity for Jumbo than for those other teams.

It's a sponsor play by Plugge.

Why do you think Wielerflits is publishing these 'analysis' pieces about this merger giving Plugge a chance to compete with the Middle Eastern teams like Emirates, Bahrain and Alula (those last two are real competitors of Plugge....). It's pure PR to help Plugge gather the support (from fans, uci etc) for this 'merger' so he can takeover another sponsor
If it's truly only about Soudal, why not wait a year? Jumbo is still committed for next year.
 
Why do stuff about teams shutting down - which is what this essentially will be - always get out so late in the season?
Because the UCI keeps everything hidden like late payments of rider's salaries and non pa
If I'm ASO, this would be worrying for their current business model. This merger would give a team enough power to force a share of worldwide TV Rights.
This is exactly what people should be worried about and the absolute dictation of the schedule.. If Arab backing is at 3 teams the UCI won't say so but they would become a pseudo Arab agency.. UCI and others having little to say about recent rider salary issues came to light.
My big question will be if Cervelo has the horsepower to stay as bike sponsor or Specialized just out spends them for the exposure.. Really shows how far Trek has fallen ..another weird twist is what a possible @2 million crank set recall will do to Shimano as a company and sponsorship money. I also own Shimano fishing equipment which I have found outstanding over years of use..
 
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People seem to miss that Evenepoel would not be part of this project. If the merger goes through he can cancel his contract and become a free agent. As a free agent he could probably sign a contract twice his current contract and there are multiple teams happy to outbid Jumbo. So it makes a lot of sense for him to use this option and earn a lot more money at a team of his choosing.
He doesn’t care that much about money, more about being the best version of himself. He can become that with Jumbo.
 
If it's truly only about Soudal, why not wait a year? Jumbo is still committed for next year.
Because there were rumors that Ineos and SQS would merge, I would assume. Act now or lose.

From the sounds of it, they hijacked the deal and got Soudal onboard to go with them instead.

It is all about the money.

And if it is really hard to find sponsors... I would assume it benefits them to get Soudal in a year early, especially if they will be committed until 2030.

I dont know how well Jumbo, as a company is doing, but maybe they dont mind being relieved of the expense. Economy is going down in many places of the world.
 
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People seem to miss that Evenepoel would not be part of this project. If the merger goes through he can cancel his contract and become a free agent. As a free agent he could probably sign a contract twice his current contract and there are multiple teams happy to outbid Jumbo.
Soudal-Visma could negotiate a new contract with Evenepoel prior to the merger and block the merger if he doesn't sign. Evenepoel could choose between being supported by Landa or being part of the best team.
In any case, a merger doesn't take place without pre-negotiated and pre-signed contracts for (most important) riders, staff and sponsors. They won't merge and see what happens.