Jumbo - QuickStep merger

[Samu Cuenca]

Their number of GT wins can't be outdone next year, but their number of f ups can.

 

[roundabout]

With 20 riders to release, surely there is a 3rd party in the deal?

 

[Netserk]

I wouldn't like this if I were any of the Jumbo captains. It helps none of them.

 

[Netserk]

With 20 riders to release, surely there is a 3rd party in the deal?

Opportunity for a new Saudi team?

 

[Bolder]

If this means that Roglic goes to, say, Bahrain and Remco goes to Ineos, that's not necessarily a bad thing for GTs. There will be a lot of handwringing if this happens but change is not always bad. As a pragmatic matter, SQS are treading water right now, and Jumbo is bailing as sponsor. So something has to happen.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

If this means that Roglic goes to, say, Bahrain and Remco goes to Ineos, that's not necessarily a bad thing for GTs. There will be a lot of handwringing if this happens but change is not always bad. As a pragmatic matter, SQS are treading water right now, and Jumbo is bailing as sponsor. So something has to happen.

The best change would unequivocally be Jumbo folding.

Expecting this means Roglic and Evenepoel leaving smacks of coping to me.

 

[Netserk]

If this means that Roglic goes to, say, Bahrain and Remco goes to Ineos, that's not necessarily a bad thing for GTs. There will be a lot of handwringing if this happens but change is not always bad. As a pragmatic matter, SQS are treading water right now, and Jumbo is bailing as sponsor. So something has to happen.

If so, you'd water down the current Jumbo team.

 

[Netserk]

The best change would unequivocally be Jumbo folding.

Best for what?

The Tour of the past two years would have been far worse off.

 

[roundabout]

I think it's also possible to have a merger done for 2025 as Jumbo are committed next year? I think it's 38 riders combined under contract for 2025 and less pressing timeline to put everything in place.

 

[Samamba]

Life long QS fans in the mud right now.

 

[roundabout]

Opportunity for a new Saudi team?

To me it feels a bit late for a completely new team to come in for 2024 so it probably has to be one of the existing ones (maybe under new sponsorship as you say - but I have a feeling that it is also getting a bit late for that).

 

[samhocking]

I think it's also possible to have a merger done for 2025 as Jumbo are committed next year? I think it's 38 riders combined under contract for 2025 and less pressing timeline to put everything in place.

That doesn't explain UCI having a new team name registered for 2024 though (if Bruyneel is correct). You can't register a team name 2 years ahead of time and if it was a new team from scratch, surely they would have been better replacing Jumbo anyway as that's oven-baked winning team for a new sponsor?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Best for what?

The Tour of the past two years would have been far worse off.

Why? Do you really think Vingegaard just disappears?

 

[Samamba]

I am so confused, there must be a mistake, must be for 2025 and not 2024. Just can't be true.

 

[Red Rick]

What the ***

 

[roundabout]

That doesn't explain UCI having a new team name registered for 2024 though (if Bruyneel is correct). You can't register a team name 2 years ahead of time and if it was a new team from scratch, surely they would have been better replacing Jumbo anyway as that's oven-baked winning team for a new sponsor?

What are the requirements for a team to be registered anyway? Because I am not sure what having a new team name registered means (or does not mean) for this particular merger.

 

[Samamba]

That doesn't explain UCI having a new team name registered for 2024 though (if Bruyneel is correct). You can't register a team name 2 years ahead of time and if it was a new team from scratch, surely they would have been better replacing Jumbo anyway as that's oven-baked winning team for a new sponsor?

Could just be a completely different merger (PCT teams, Conti teams, women teams, tc.)

 

[Valv.Piti]

Wouldn't it make more sense to post this in Rogla - Remco thread?

So Soudal Visma in theory could make sense. That is the withdrawal of Jumbo from sponsorship to be elegantly resolved. As for Soudal Visma keeping all the big guns. Here i am a bit sceptical.

We'll see.

Why? Its two teams merging, its not Remco and Roglic merging. What the hell are you on about as per usual?

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Life long QS fans in the mud right now.

Not only for fans.
We have two very long lived teams (i know Jumbo tries to distance themselves from Rabobank) that have been institutions of the sport the last decades.

What would be interesting is that if the teams goes Soudal-Visma the connection to Netherlands more or less disappears. One Belgian sponsor and one Norwegian sponsor. None of the top riders (a bit harsh on Van Baarle) will be Dutch.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

If this becomes truth the forum’s meltdown levels will be at record high.

 

[Anderis]

How is this possible, a team can have max 30 riders?

There's only one solution to this.

Pay some of their riders for cancelling contracts prematurely. Maybe some of the riders will agree to leave without compensation if they manage to find a contract they're happy with elsewhere.

And surely Jumbo-Visma is already stacked enough that you can't really add Evenepoel there without letting anyone good go and hope it's going to work somehow. So it's going to be interesting if there's any substance to these reports.

 

[Bolder]

The best change would unequivocally be Jumbo folding.

Expecting this means Roglic and Evenepoel leaving smacks of coping to me.

Well, maybe.

But Remco isn't going to want to go to the Tour as Vingegaard's donkey, and I kind of doubt Roglic does anymore, either. Roglic has one more big-paying contract left, so he might want to go to a team that will give him sole Tour leadership, and pay him accordingly.

 

[samhocking]

What are the requirements for a team to be registered anyway? Because I am not sure what having a team name registered means (or does not mean.

Need to have initial paperwork and finances by UCI's September deadline (extended to November if sponsor/paperwork issues). It makes sense what Bruyneel said that a new team was registered for next year because most-likely the Soudal & Jumbo licence will end as currently registered for 2024 and one will be sold off, one will become Soudal-Visma.

 

[Netserk]

Why? Do you really think Vingegaard just disappears?

I don't think he on his own made those two Tours great.

 

[DNP-Old]

Remco is at the Anderlecht match right now, with Lefevere and the other Patrick, who is his father as well as his agent. That is not a coincidence me thinks.