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Jumbo - QuickStep merger

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I agree with this completely except for one thing- Remco seems like he wants to win the Tour now. Maybe that's delusional in an era where Vingegaard is clearly the best grand tour rider in the peloton but if Remco was fine with being anything other than a Tour rider, why not just stay at Quickstep? Beyond that, I agree with everything you said, great points.
Because Remco believes he might be better than Vingegaard. I’m not saying he actually will be, just that Remco believe he might be. So it makes sense to go the team that can get the best out of you.
 
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They probably wont be doing the same stage-races together, unless it is a GT.

He obviously goes to them, if he wants to win more GTs and especially the Tour. There is no point for him to join them, unless they can pretty much guarantee him that he can win the Tour with them.

Vinge does what the team tells him to do, so he will probably do the Giro-Tour in the future.

Remco will be solely focused on the Tour, which will probably contain +50 km ITT some time soon. Who would be surprised?

He will do a spectacular TT and they have Kuss/Vinge to pace on the climbs. They will get a stage-win somewhere and maybe even able to finish on the podium together, as compensation.

They will work with Remco to find out his limits and what he will have to do climbing-wise. Once that is sorted, there is no way he loses. Not with those inside the team being the biggest threat to victory.
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Because Remco believes he might be better than Vingegaard. I’m not saying he actually will be, just that Remco believe he might be. So it makes sense to go the team that can get the best out of you.
In the peleton most riders know their place. They themselves have experienced just how hard some riders can go and if they are equal to it. So Remco himself will know how far he is behind Vingegaard. Also, the team will know, so in terms of having the data with Remco's true value, QS has the insight. So in case of a merger, JV has this to. Not Ineos.
Talks have been going on with Evenepoel so it's clearly the intention to take him along and for the team is makes so much sense. For all races except the Tour he can be the leader. And in the tour, he could be the perfect foil for the more sedated Vingegaard, driving Pogacar mad with his antics. And maybe they will guarantee him co leadership, I think Vingegaard can see the value Remco has for the team to and how it could be better to have him on board.
 
Remco knows better i hope. 27 minutes and all
Got to love when a rider gets hate for doing what the forum says by losing time on purpose after being dropped so they can go in breakaways for wins and possible KoM once their top GC position goes up in smoke instead of doing what they hate and fighting for an anonymous 8th-10th place and no wins.
 
I post this from the Roglic thread just because it is - and it will - be relevant.


Remco's law #1

For any given cycling race X, Remco will win X it if at least he races it.

Remco's law #2

For any given cycling race X that Remco rides and does not win, the outcome is explainable by Y.

Remco's law #3

Y comprises: covid, flu, diet, imperfect preparation, mechanical problems, development issues, bad team, bad route, bad luck, bad weather, Sun in Pisces, Miss Evenepoel, the war in Ukraine and, of course, climate change.

These three Remco laws should be utterly and actively rejected by any cycling fan while knowing that these laws are impossible to refute and will always be at the back of any Remco fan's mind.
The kid seems to live rent free in the head of Roglic fans
 
I post this from the Roglic thread just because it is - and it will - be relevant.


Remco's law #1

For any given cycling race X, Remco will win X it if at least he races it.

Remco's law #2

For any given cycling race X that Remco rides and does not win, the outcome is explainable by Y.

Remco's law #3

Y comprises: covid, flu, diet, imperfect preparation, mechanical problems, development issues, bad team, bad route, bad luck, bad weather, Sun in Pisces, Miss Evenepoel, the war in Ukraine and, of course, climate change.

These three Remco laws should be utterly and actively rejected by any cycling fan while knowing that these laws are impossible to refute and will always be at the back of any Remco fan's mind.

shoo!
go back to the roglic thread
 
The kid seems to live rent free in the head of Roglic fans

Not me. I actually want Evenepoel to go to Visma Soudal & unleash the most terrible vengeance upon Vingegaard from within the team & scupper his dominance. The King is dead, long live the King... for 5 minutes until Evenepoel usurps him in an internal battle (especially in an ITT heavy TdF next year). The Belgian press in particular will play a key role in this planned demolition of the Danish Dynamite. It won't matter how many daughters, birthdays or teammates Vinge has, he can't dedicate a victory... when he doesn't win.

But I'm petty, so I probably don't speak for the majority.
 
Not me. I actually want Evenepoel to go to Visma Soudal & unleash the most terrible vengeance upon Vingegaard from within the team & scupper his dominance. The King is dead, long live the King... for 5 minutes until Evenepoel usurps him in an internal battle (especially in an ITT heavy TdF next year). The Belgian press in particular will play a key role in this planned demolition of the Danish Dynamite. It won't matter how many daughters, birthdays or teammates Vinge has, he can't dedicate a victory... when he doesn't win.

But I'm petty, so I probably don't speak for the majority.
Where exactly does this unreasonable dislike for Vingegaard come from? He's helped Roglic to a few victories, can't really say the reverse (except for the Granon stage, which Roglic wouldn't have won regardless). Is it because he's shown that he doesn't need Roglic' help to win the Tour?
 
Where exactly does this unreasonable dislike for Vingegaard come from? He's helped Roglic to a few victories, can't really say the reverse (except for the Granon stage, which Roglic wouldn't have won regardless). Is it because he's shown that he doesn't need Roglic' help to win the Tour?
Probably because the wins look too easy. People always root for the underdog.
 
I post this from the Roglic thread just because it is - and it will - be relevant.


Remco's law #1

For any given cycling race X, Remco will win X it if at least he races it.

Remco's law #2

For any given cycling race X that Remco rides and does not win, the outcome is explainable by Y.

Remco's law #3

Y comprises: covid, flu, diet, imperfect preparation, mechanical problems, development issues, bad team, bad route, bad luck, bad weather, Sun in Pisces, Miss Evenepoel, the war in Ukraine and, of course, climate change.

These three Remco laws should be utterly and actively rejected by any cycling fan while knowing that these laws are impossible to refute and will always be at the back of any Remco fan's mind.
Biggest broken record we've had on this forum in a while.
 
I literally didn't write anything that is related to anything in those three laws in the post you quote. What is wrong with you?
"These three Remco laws should be utterly and actively rejected by any cycling fan while knowing that these laws are impossible to refute and will always be at the back of any Remco fan's mind."
Biggest broken record we've had on this forum in a while.
Sure. I can tell you the biggest broken record we have in the Forum but we all know that.
 
Got to love when a rider gets hate for doing what the forum says by losing time on purpose after being dropped so they can go in breakaways for wins and possible KoM once their top GC position goes up in smoke instead of doing what they hate and fighting for an anonymous 8th-10th place and no wins.
Have you considered that the forum is not a hive mind and the hate might be coming from entirely different subsets of forumers
 
Not me. I actually want Evenepoel to go to Visma Soudal & unleash the most terrible vengeance upon Vingegaard from within the team & scupper his dominance. The King is dead, long live the King... for 5 minutes until Evenepoel usurps him in an internal battle (especially in an ITT heavy TdF next year). The Belgian press in particular will play a key role in this planned demolition of the Danish Dynamite. It won't matter how many daughters, birthdays or teammates Vinge has, he can't dedicate a victory... when he doesn't win.

But I'm petty, so I probably don't speak for the majority.
Vingegaard will demolish roglic in the next tour france, and in the end, he will dedicate that demolition, to roglic's son. Vingegaard will be sadistic.
 
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Wout van Aert has indicated to the sports management of Jumbo-Visma that he would welcome the arrival of Yves Lampaert to the team. Several sources have confirmed this to WielerFlits. As it stands now, about six riders are expected to make the move from Soudal Quick-Step to Richard Plugge's new 'fusion team.' In the Dutch camp, there is also an expectation that Remco Evenepoel will make the switch with a group of riders around him.
 
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As indicated by more people already, it's not really a merger. It's the (former) Jumbo team taking an investor (Bakala), a sponsor (Soudal), and a couple of riders (Evenepoel & friends). It's cherrypicking, as Thijs Zonneveld has described it.

If Quickstep really want to continue as a sponsor in cycling, maybe there will be a Quickstep pro conti team next year with whatever remains of the former Lefevere squad? Maybe the people involved in the "merger" will even want to invest in this, to avoid a huge PR disaster of 50 people losing their job. There's even a bike sponsor available: Cervélo.
 
If Quickstep really want to continue as a sponsor in cycling, maybe there will be a Quickstep pro conti team next year with whatever remains of the former Lefevere squad? Maybe the people involved in the "merger" will even want to invest in this, to avoid a huge PR disaster of 50 people losing their job.
A pro conti team with what? 10 riders? And probably the worst ones out of QS. Their leader would be Merlier if he would stay, that's it, most would just choose an offer from another WT team or a better PCT team.

The chances of that happening are incredibly slim.