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RedheadDane

RedheadDane

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Let me get this straight:

If Lefevere manages to create a "new" team, said team can continue under the current QS WT license, and will not actually be a new team, just the same team under a new name, and thus the team will be saved?
And if all the riders who are contracted with QS for next year decide to stay - or have to stay, due to having contracts - then the "merger" will actually just be Soudal-the-company switching which team they sponsor... again!
 
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Eddy Evenepoel

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RedheadDane said:
And if all the riders who are contracted with QS for next year decide to stay - or have to stay, due to having contracts - then the "merger" will actually just be Soudal-the-company switching which team they sponsor... again!
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And Bakala disappearing from the owner side of QS. Unless Lefevre magically finds a new sponsor that pays about the same as Soudal there is no way there will be economical muscles in the “new” team to keep all the riders even if they want to. So some big earners need to go anyway.
 
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pman said:
Plus take what we know about the rumored 2024 Tour route. Those Italian stages have Remco's name on them. Maybe Vingegaard destroys Remco (and the field frankly) on stage 4 to Valloire. But what if Remco is on a great day then and doesn't lose more than 20-30 seconds. Then Remco gets a 30 - 90 second lead on Vingegaard in the rumored first time trial going into the first rest stage. What happens then? If you think the Vuelta was bad, just imagine the scenario I outlined. I don't see how it works unless this is just about money.
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Dude, did you see Vingo’s TT in this Tour?
 
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Armchair Cyclist

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RedheadDane said:
Let me get this straight:

If Lefevere manages to create a "new" team, said team can continue under the current QS WT license, and will not actually be a new team, just the same team under a new name, and thus the team will be saved?
And if all the riders who are contracted with QS for next year decide to stay - or have to stay, due to having contracts - then the "merger" will actually just be Soudal-the-company switching which team they sponsor... again!
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Which proves the lie that it was ever a merger (two entities each giving up their existence in favour of a new one that has all the assets and liabilities of both), and invites the question of what binding commitment Soudal (the company) had to SOQ/Decolef (the team) that they can walk away without apparent consequence to them.
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
Which proves the lie that it was ever a merger (two entities each giving up their existence in favour of a new one that has all the assets and liabilities of both), and invites the question of what binding commitment Soudal (the company) had to SOQ/Decolef (the team) that they can walk away without apparent consequence to them.
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If the owner of the team (Bakala) agrees with the sponsor (Soudal) to terminate the contract, then there wouldn't be any binding commitment, right?
 
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RedheadDane said:
Let me get this straight:

If Lefevere manages to create a "new" team, said team can continue under the current QS WT license, and will not actually be a new team, just the same team under a new name, and thus the team will be saved?
And if all the riders who are contracted with QS for next year decide to stay - or have to stay, due to having contracts - then the "merger" will actually just be Soudal-the-company switching which team they sponsor... again!
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Optically, yes, including probably a few others like Specialized making the move although they also could decide to support the QS team another year as well. In practice it is a partial sale of QS to JV with the Soudal sponsorship contract as the major asset sold and the majority shareholder jumping ship in return. How Lefevere is compensated is now less clear. Maybe he mainly gets the QS team.

I still think it's Bakala who initiated the talks, knowing the opportunity at JV, and Soudal who eventually agreed to join. Both want to win the TdF but are stuck in a team where the GT leader complains that he doesn't have the proper support to make that happen and wants changes rapidly or move to another team (which what Remco's father/manager probably said to Bakala).
 
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theyoungest

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pman said:
Plus take what we know about the rumored 2024 Tour route. Those Italian stages have Remco's name on them. Maybe Vingegaard destroys Remco (and the field frankly) on stage 4 to Valloire. But what if Remco is on a great day then and doesn't lose more than 20-30 seconds. Then Remco gets a 30 - 90 second lead on Vingegaard in the rumored first time trial going into the first rest stage. What happens then? If you think the Vuelta was bad, just imagine the scenario I outlined. I don't see how it works unless this is just about money.
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It seems like for a lot of people the Vuelta has now become the standard: in every race Jumbo will decide among themselves who wins. Of course that's not going to happen. Normally if you have one guy in the lead and then the rivals have to chase, it's an advantage to have multiple leaders rather than one. Then there isn't a golden boy Roglic and his fans who feel "hurt" that he isn't allowed to win. Because he's not riding against his own teammates, but against Pogacar.
 
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Obviously Jumbo's finances are fubar.

There's no way they'd embark on this mess otherwise, i.e. unless it was a seriously convoluted way of getting Evenepoel.

But I don't even think that's a particularly good idea either tbh, not when they've got such a well oiled machine. If they take Evenepoel to the TdF with Vingegaard it'll be like they learned nothing from the Vuelta. It'll be arrogant beyond belief to think 'win together' plastered on the side of the bus would = Evenepoel working for Vingegaard & vice versa... just because a few (underpaid) DS's tell them the team's results matter more than their own glory does.

That 'team result' means nothing when they have two (or 3) riders competing with each other for the win.
 
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Samamba

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theyoungest said:
No, however if there's a fact about it which you can just look up, I tend to mention it. For example that Jumbo didn't pay them 20 million. Otherwise what's the point of discussion, if there are no facts allowed.
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You have been assuming things just like everyone else here and on the internet. Just like Patrick is as he is just saying that he doesn't believe the whole "omg they can't find another sponsor, how sad" story.
 
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pman said:
The Tour is not the Vuelta. Vingegaard the introvert does not strike me as someone who would be fine with bold, extroverted Remco challenging him at the Tour from within his own team. It seems like it has a ton of potential to be a very bad situation. I can't be the only one who sees the two do not have personalities that will blend well together, especially in a competitive environment.
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Then again Jonas could just say leave me alone and to ride away.
 
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