And JV tells us there was nothing concerning about Brad's profile. He always asks the UCI whether a random, totally non suspicious value may have been caused by measurement error.From Jakob M who also commented on Lance. Oh but JV tells us he got clarification from UCI about machine calibrations.
Del Moral made an error measuring the blood transfusion and EPO micro dose...Tyler'sTwin said:And JV tells us there was nothing concerning about Brad's profile. He always asks the UCI whether a random, totally non suspicious value may have been caused by measurement error.
Excellent post.lean said:Wiggins, Vaughters, etc SHOULD be pushing for the same changes as the clinicians. They SHOULD be demanding louder than any of us for greater transparency, totally independent 3rd party testing, independent results management, etc etc. They SHOULD be lobbying for changes that make competing without PEDs a real possibility every time a microphone is stuck in front of their face. If they're truly sick and tired of talking about the D word and answering the tough questions then let's start talking about real world solutions and initiate real change. Real down to earth discussions even including the financial costs of new and better anti-doping and how we plan to pay for it. What better way to answer questions about doping than to discuss ways to ACTUALLY restore more credibility to performances? Throwing a temper tantrum and using the worst expletives there are in the English language isn't doing much to restore confidence. No one can or will chop your head off for discussing real reform. They can't refuse your team a a pro tour license, or an invitation to races anymore or whatever imagined leverage one can think of.
That's not what I hear from them though. The only message I've been receiving is things are better now, trust us, blah blah blah. It's just noise, avoidance, and more of the status quo. It's an endless stream of excuses and not a single good idea.
Still won a Grand Tour though. If that was clean, that would be encouraging.Hugh Januss said:Yeah, about that. Basso was on the E train to TdF champ before he was busted. Since, not so much....he may be the best example of what it looks like to ride clean. He is not that old, but he has definitely dropped several notches.
Indeed juniors disagreeing with the status quo is one way things move forward.meat puppet said:This whole story about Morkeberg's creds is obviously but one big obfuscating ootnote. Yet I cant help asking: isn't this - juniors standing on the shoulders of the predecessors and, at some point, disagreeing with them - exactly the way science develops?
Obviously agree that a junior researcher expert is not a senior researcher expert, and that their field experiences do not match. But that's on the wall, anyway.
Might that be the blood profile we haven't seen and you're not going to share with us? Oh, it is? So how exactly are we supposed to know that profile "proves" cleanliness? Perhaps because Vaughters told us so? You sure proved him wrong with that retort, didn't you?Brady Foster @bwfoster
@jeffvolkmer @uci_overlord Especially considering his [Ryder's] win is vs Basso, Scarponi etc. Just because @Vaughters says hes clean?
Jonathan Vaughters @Vaughters
@bwfoster @jeffvolkmer @uci_overlord no, moron, because his blood profile proves it. @SSbike ???
Well, I left that point open deliberately. The progression of science is not linear or even uni-linear, and there are some who consider mistakes important in and of themselves for future progress.Catwhoorg said:Indeed juniors disagreeing with the status quo is one way things move forward.
However for each junior who is right in their disagreement, there are many who are wrong, and we don't know which way this one is.
But first and foremost if wiggo does publish his recent data, I'll be eyeing it on my own and putting together my own opinion, before reading too much outside analysis.
(on the thought that the outside analysis can bias my own interpretation)
Oh and Wiggo (or Sky PR folks) if you are reading this, in addition to whatever graphs, plots etc you publish, please include an excel (or open office) sheet with the raw data. Thanks.
I was referring to the in-house blood-data Sky claims to be updating regularly, I wasn't aware that the teams had access to the AFLD data. I assumed the data they would release on Wiggins would be from Sky's own testing.D-Queued said:If they are really smart, they could hack the AFLD computers and plant some erroneous stuff.