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Keep the Individual Pursuit Petition

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BestButter said:
Try reading my post in full, along with my response to avanti.
I have done. You claimed that it was an anti-British move in your first post. The passing mention that it affects non-British riders too can hardly be read as a concession of the point, although if that's what was intended then fair enough. There is simply no element of anti-Britishness whatsoever.
If gender parity is the goal, this decision is perverse given that womens' interest in the pursuit is as strong as the mens'.
Gender parity is the goal, and the decision isn't perverse since these changes achieve gender parity in event numbers. Women's interest in all events is as strong as the men's, with the exception of the madison. All this comes down to is whether or not we think the individual pursuit merits being there. I think on balance it probably does (ie. I'd take it over the omnium), but if the choice is between a sexist track programme with the individual pursuit and a non-sexist one without it, I'll go with the 21st century option.
And I cannot see how you can support your own view that what went before was somehow wanting; whatever's wrong is hardly going to be resolved by dumping one of the most famous and iconic cycling events of all; bike-riding's equivalent of the 1500m.
What went before was wanting because women had three events compared to the men's seven. That is shameful. What was wrong was that the framework of Olympic cycling was sexist, and that very much is starting to be resolved thanks to these changes.

The individual pursuit is not gone forever, banished; it simply won't be at the Olympics, an event which cyclists and cycling fans shouldn't regard as the pinnacle of the sport anyway (that being World Championships). The Olympics already lacked the men's and women's scratch, time trial and omnium and the women's team sprint, team pursuit and keirin. Would I like the individual pursuit there? Yes, of course. Would I like it in place of the women's keirin, team pursuit and team sprint? Absolutely not.
 
pmsc111 said:
Can't believe what they have done to a talent like Taylor Phinney.
Winning a World Championship in a post Olympic year by no means assures
anyone of an Olympic medal, let alone an Olympic gold medal.

One has to look no further than Sarah Hammer, who proclaimed herself "Future
Olympic Champion" on her web-site after winning a World Championship pursuit, to see that even winning two consecutive World Championships does not guarantee an Olympic medal.
 
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pmsc111 said:
The Olympics were once the pinnacle of the sport. Now it's fast becoming irrelevant much like it is for Tennis and Golf.
............................QUOTE]

I'm also a tennis fan - but I suspect most tennis players would rather win a grand slam event rather than an Olympic Gold.
 
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Phinney was by no means assured the medal, but i think you could look at him as a favourite if the Olympics were tomorrow.
The track changes are great for equality, if you removed the Omnium and had the pursuit for both male and female.
Then again, i'm eagerly awaiting news on what the "changes to the omnium format" would mean. I'm presuming making it more geared towards endurance and the UCI/IOC have managed to kill off the endurance track racing.
 
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Will these changes made in the name of gender equality now result in real gender equality? Will the teams sprint & teams pursuit have equal participation and distance? The IOC have asked for parity, the UCI should give it to them.
 
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pmsc111 said:
Will these changes made in the name of gender equality now result in real gender equality? Will the teams sprint & teams pursuit have equal participation and distance? The IOC have asked for parity, the UCI should give it to them.
Given that:
Cycling News said:
Under the new plan, there will be 84 women track cyclists in London, or 45 percent, as compared to 35 riders, or 19 percent, in Beijing 2008.
...then it appears that the women's team sprint and team pursuit will remain unchanged for the time being. Hopefully bringing equality there will be the next step for track cycling.
doddy13 said:
the UCI/IOC have managed to kill off the endurance track racing.
How so?
 
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The IOC have stated they do not want competitor numbers to surpass it's current 10,500. It would appear that to lift female participation to 50% a further event may have to be culled. Or perhaps Rio will be spared the expense of a velodrome.
 
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Skip Madness said:

Given that national federation funds cycling events due to the Olympics. The level of competition in the kilo fell soon after it got dropped.
You're not going to eliminate six days however.
 
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doddy13 said:
Given that national federation funds cycling events due to the Olympics. The level of competition in the kilo fell soon after it got dropped.
You're not going to eliminate six days however.
But the team pursuit is still in the Olympics. And a good team pursuit will need at least three/four good pursuiters. So even if we take the view that the Olympics are the zenith of track cycling, nations will still be sending good pursuiters out to the World Cups and World Championships to prepare them, sustaining high-level competition in those events.

You mention the decline in the level of the 1km time trial (which is arguable), but the 500m time trial was excluded from the Olympics at the same time, and Anna Meares saw her world record destroyed in front of her own eyes by Simona Krupeckaite at this very year's World Championships.

And what aspect of six-day events makes them immune to Olympic schedule changes that other track events don't have?
 
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Six-day racing already was losing popularity. With the exclusion of Madison at the olympics, this might be the end of it. :(

Belgium's best six-day riders (Keise & De Ketele) already said they will focus more on road racing from now on...
 
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Cali World Cup results

Sarah Hammer 3'27.514" Sarah Hammer + 2 teammates 3'28.415"
Canada's winning team 3'27.289"

S Krupeckaite 33.78" + teammate 34.679"
W Kanis 33.852" + teammate 33.926"