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They've certainly clamped-down on pseudoephedrine sales now. I have to go through a process similar to purchasing ammonium nitrate fertilizer (or dynamite) in order to get it.

In Mexico?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/

The only point I'm trying to make is that big-pharma has some blame in PED use... Some of my doctor friends have some poor things to say about them from a care perspective also.

More on topic: Congratulations Iljo!! On winning Ghent!! On your new contract with Quick Step!! On your new baby!! I hope things continue to go well for you!!!
 

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The World Anti-Doping Agency has expressed its concern regarding the case of Belgian Iljo Keiss. Suspended two years for doping, the Court of Appeal in Brussels had nevertheless given the right to run. The 27-year track rider, tested ??positive?? in December 2008, had seen his suspension confirmed by the CAS in July. But rather than challenge his penalty before the Swiss Federal Court, Keiss turned to the Belgian courts. He had been provisionally cleared by the Court of Appeal in Brussels in November, pending a final decision in April.

"The situation in Belgium is unusual and disturbing, in my opinion, a real threat to the adoption of CAS as a court of international sports for all athletes, and serves as a direct affront to the clean athletes and the integrity sport, "said Wada's John Fahey, president of an illegal, unlawful, organisation that Commits "Crimes Against Humanity", solely with the criminal intend to fill their pocklets.

More: (http://velonation.com)
 
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The World Anti-Doping Agency has expressed its concern regarding the case of Belgian Iljo Keiss. Suspended two years for doping, the Court of Appeal in Brussels had nevertheless given the right to run. The 27-year track rider,

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Thank you daotec for at least trying to bring this thread back on track. Apart from the first two posts nothing here seems to be about Keisse.
 

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15/12/2010 à 16h34 | Source : RTBF

The World Anti-Doping Agency has expressed its concern regarding the case of Belgian Iljo Keiss. Suspended two years for doping, the Court of Appeal in Brussels had nevertheless given the right to run. The 27-year track rider, tested ??positive?? in December 2008, had seen his suspension confirmed by the CAS in July. But rather than challenge his penalty before the Swiss Federal Court, Keiss turned to the Belgian courts. He had been provisionally cleared by the Court of Appeal in Brussels in November, pending a final decision in April.

"The situation in Belgium is unusual and disturbing, in my opinion, a real threat to the adoption of CAS as a court of international sports for all athletes, and serves as a direct affront to the clean athletes and the integrity sport, "said Wada's John Fahey, president of an illegal, unlawful, organisation that Commits "Crimes Against Humanity", solely with the criminal intend to fill their pocklets.

More: (http://velonation.com)

In the world of six day bike racing and stage races of over 10 days I think doping should be monitored and allowed to some extent.

Reason being, health of riders will improve. Also the spectacle of super human efforts need to be maintained to keep public interest and in keeping with the tradition of our sports. I am not speaking of anything unique to pro cycling.
Doping is pretty much this way in all successful professional sports.(Yes even in billiards!)

Note: This should be allowed only at a professional level.
 

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15/12/2010 à 16h34 | Source : RTBF

The World Anti-Doping Agency has expressed its concern regarding the case of Belgian Iljo Keiss. Suspended two years for doping, the Court of Appeal in Brussels had nevertheless given the right to run. The 27-year track rider, tested ??positive?? in December 2008, had seen his suspension confirmed by the CAS in July. But rather than challenge his penalty before the Swiss Federal Court, Keiss turned to the Belgian courts. He had been provisionally cleared by the Court of Appeal in Brussels in November, pending a final decision in April.

"The situation in Belgium is unusual and disturbing, in my opinion, a real threat to the adoption of CAS as a court of international sports for all athletes, and serves as a direct affront to the clean athletes and the integrity sport, "said Wada's John Fahey, president of an illegal, unlawful, organisation that Commits "Crimes Against Humanity", solely with the criminal intend to fill their pocklets.

More: (http://velonation.com)


Please! Velonation, DC based. How many six-days or pro bike races are there in DC or Deleware? I am not talking about "US Pros" racing for inner-tubes and granola bars? Velonation and the satyrical comic strip associated with it are clueless to the world of professional cycling and professional sports in general. Just another hater/weenie group of cycling bashers.
 
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15/12/2010 à 16h34 | Source : RTBF

The World Anti-Doping Agency has expressed its concern regarding the case of Belgian Iljo Keiss. Suspended two years for doping, the Court of Appeal in Brussels had nevertheless given the right to run. The 27-year track rider, tested ??positive?? in December 2008, had seen his suspension confirmed by the CAS in July. But rather than challenge his penalty before the Swiss Federal Court, Keiss turned to the Belgian courts. He had been provisionally cleared by the Court of Appeal in Brussels in November, pending a final decision in April.

"The situation in Belgium is unusual and disturbing, in my opinion, a real threat to the adoption of CAS as a court of international sports for all athletes, and serves as a direct affront to the clean athletes and the integrity sport, "said Wada's John Fahey, president of an illegal, unlawful, organisation that Commits "Crimes Against Humanity", solely with the criminal intend to fill their pocklets.

More: (http://velonation.com)


Please! Velonation, DC based. How many six-days or pro bike races are there in DC or Deleware? I am not talking about "US Pros" racing for inner-tubes and granola bars? Velonation and the satyrical comic strip associated with it are clueless to the world of professional cycling and professional sports in general. Just another hater/weenie group of cycling bashers.

I view them more as a parochial group of self-important inbreds that REALLY want to make themselves feel involved in the international scene. I bet they all wish they were Belgian...
 
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UCI and WADA need to learn how to count.

November 2008

November 2009+November 2010= 2

His ban= 2 years

No wonder most dopers don't get caught with monkeys leading the WADA and UCI.
 
I'm not even sure why cyclingnews even bothered to print the article that WADA supported the UCI against the rider. I feel obligated to state that I don't condone doping, but WADA never has a positive view of any rider--or athlete for that matter. They basically just assume that everyone is on something and that all athletes should be suspended no matter what, so of course, they'll favor the UCI over Keisse.
 
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I'm not even sure why cyclingnews even bothered to print the article that WADA supported the UCI against the rider. I feel obligated to state that I don't condone doping, but WADA never has a positive view of any rider--or athlete for that matter. They basically just assume that everyone is on something and that all athletes should be suspended no matter what, so of course, they'll favor the UCI over Keisse.

Isn't that their mandate?

The athletes will only feel displeased if they're doing something outside the rules. Pretty simple.
 
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I'm not even sure why cyclingnews even bothered to print the article that WADA supported the UCI against the rider. I feel obligated to state that I don't condone doping, but WADA never has a positive view of any rider--or athlete for that matter. They basically just assume that everyone is on something and that all athletes should be suspended no matter what, so of course, they'll favor the UCI over Keisse.

WADA should make public statements about its process. If they can't stand behind what they fight for, then we might as well give up now.

Keisse is challenging the very structure in which our sport is regulated. Sure, the system has major flaws, but one of them is not the potential recourse a rider has for proving innocence. If riders are allowed to use federal governments create personal protection, we may as well just let the Kazakhs dope.
 

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UCI Should Pay-Up or Shut-Up

Keisse fighting to race Rotterdam Six Day

According to Het Nieuwsblad, the race organization received the request from the UCI in an e-mail, but asked for clarification before they would break the start contract with Keisse.

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In its October decision, the Brussels court said that it could fine any organization that refused to let Keisse start 100,000 euros. Keisse requested the UCI be fined after the Manchester incident, and the Rotterdam Six Day could face this fine should they concede to the UCI's demands.

Source: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/keisse-fighting-to-race-rotterdam-six-day

! McQuaid is changing the UCI in a legal battlefield burning all the money brought in by the teams.
 
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UCI and WADA need to learn how to count.

November 2008

November 2009+November 2010= 2

His ban= 2 years

No wonder most dopers don't get caught with monkeys leading the WADA and UCI.
No, he was caught in Nov 2008, sacked & then signed for QS. He sat out 11 months so his ban runs until August 2011.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cas-suspends-keisse-for-two-years-for-2008-doping

Ruling overturns Belgian federation's dismissal of the charges, rider placed on inactive status

The Court of Arbitration for Sport has confirmed that Iljo Keisse will have to serve a two-year ban for doping. The decision came following an appeal by the World Anti-Doping Agency of an initial decision made by the Belgian cycling federation to dismiss the charges.

Keisse, who now rides for Quick Step, tested positive for cathine and HCT during the Six Days of Gent in November 2008. A year after the case first emerged, the Belgian cycling federation dismissed the doping charges, saying that there was insufficient scientific evidence that he knowingly used doping products.

QuickStep has put Keisse on inactive status. “I have no choice,” said team manager Patrick Lefevere. “Keisse can appeal against the ruling, but until his fate is clear, I have him on inactive status. I have to think of our sponsors.”

Lefevere added, “It is strange that someone who has been cleared down the entire line in Belgium is still suspended.”

The cathine was contained in an over-the-counter cold tablet which Keisse admitted taking, an admission which the federation took into consideration. It also accepted his explanation that the HCT came from a dietary supplement.

Keisse was fired by Topsport Vlaanderen when the positive test was announced but subsequently signed with Quick Step for this season. He was riding the Tour of Austria when the ban was announced.

According to Keisse's website, he will only be banned for an addition 13 months, since he already sat out 11 months of the two-year sentence. The ban runs through August 6, 2011.
 
According to the article up on CN's main page, this is the UCI's response:

"Despite the last-minute court reprieve, the UCI continues to maintain that Keisse is not allowed to participate in the Rotterdam Six Day. "If the rider would take the start after all, the UCI Commissaires will completely ignore him and his team (their names won't appear on the starting list and results of the race)," said the UCI in a statement this afternoon."

Huh. That seems a little childish, 'well we don't want you here so we'll just ignore your legal victory... and ignore YOU!! So there!'
 

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The UCI, CAS, TAS, WADA a.o. on their last legs. These illegal, criminal and unlawful org's hiding in some no-no racist country do commit crimes against human kind and need to be ousted ASAP period.

For them pocketing gipsey bobo's the game is over and need to be charged for acts of terror, kidnapping, hostage taking etc. against athletes and put behind bars, hanging out in Swiss trying to take hostage national and international laws of sovereign country's and continents with a sleezy rulebook.
Wasn't it the same McQuaid deviding cycling in to 2 streams ... some old Europe and the rest of the world.


Iljooos is in the race btw !!!!
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and wins the first leg @ LiveStream: [http://sport.nl]
 
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According to the article up on CN's main page, this is the UCI's response:

"Despite the last-minute court reprieve, the UCI continues to maintain that Keisse is not allowed to participate in the Rotterdam Six Day. "If the rider would take the start after all, the UCI Commissaires will completely ignore him and his team (their names won't appear on the starting list and results of the race)," said the UCI in a statement this afternoon."

Huh. That seems a little childish, 'well we don't want you here so we'll just ignore your legal victory... and ignore YOU!! So there!'

It's pathetic, isn't it.

I haven't read enough about the case to have an opinion, but he is supported by a few people I would trust absolutely. It does highlight how ridiculous it is though that someone who makes a genuine error is treated in exactly the same manner as someone wilfully and illegally obtaining, traffiking and using drugs.
 
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Ok, so all the fuss, but what are the facts? He tested positive for cathine, chlorothiazide and hydrochlorothiazide. From what I know, a stimulant and two masking agents (or is it really one masking agent?).

I just have a few questions:

1. What do the masking agents mask?

2. How effective is cathine, and hypothetically why would a rider take it (aside from cold meds... seriously)

3. Can we put nationalistic feelings aside and really pick the case apart?

4. If another rider pulled such games (ie contador), would we have so many forum goers propping up his tactics?
 
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At this point it has become irrelevant if Keisse is guilty or not.

Its about the UCI and WADA thinking they're above the law.

Its time to put these corrupt institutions to a halt!
 
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At this point it has become irrelevant if Keisse is guilty or not.

Its about the UCI and WADA thinking they're above the law.

Its time to put these corrupt institutions to a halt!



I agree with you about the UCI, but WADA?


Nothing about WADA, as far as I can see, proves to be corrupt. I don't think it is their objective to take advantage of their power. Of course, we could argue for an increase in power :)
 

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QuickStep manager at his wit's end in regards to embattled rider

Saturday, January 08, 2011 | The Iljo Keisse saga has slowly become the biggest doping judicial process debacle in history and now, and now, at the most contentious time of all, it seems that Keisse's support from his QuickStep team may be ....

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...jo-Keisse-without-problems.aspx#ixzz1AX0SZsgm

:mad: Ohh my god them illegal criminal infidels are blackmailing Lefevre cause they are going to be taken out of order and losing $$$$ ....

Repeat The UCI, CAS, TAS, WADA a.o. on their last legs. These illegal, criminal and unlawful org's hiding in some no-no racist country do commit crimes against human kind and need to be ousted ASAP period.

For them pocketing gipsy bobo's the game is over and need to be charged for acts of terror, kidnapping, hostage taking etc. against athletes and put behind bars, hanging out in Swiss trying to take hostage national and international laws of sovereign country's and continents with a sleezy rulebook.
Wasn't it the same McQuaid deviding cycling in to 2 streams ... some old Europe and the rest of the world.