Kimmage interviews Floyd Landis: Sunday Times + Bombshell NYVC transcript [merged]

[Anonymous]

Yes, admitted I was wrong. I posted before I got to the point in the thread where the link was first posted. My bad.

It still doesn't alter my position towards FL. He's simply slinging mud at everyone without backing up any of it. His history has tought me that he manages to twist truth to whatever suits him at the current situation in his life. It's not any different now. Yes, he maybe right about things he says and there's certainly something wrong with cycling. But FL shouldn't be the one being heralded to be its saviour because he's a cheat and a liar. He will profit one way or the other from whatever happens next. He's already sold books to people on this forum (obviously, but why all of those aren't bitterly disappointed of him is beyond me). He's just published the biggest appetizer to the follow-up probably co-authored by Kimmage. You wait for it! He's cunning!

we don't know that he isn't backing up what he's saying.

there are obviously quite a few pieces of the puzzle he's withholding from the public as this is an ongoing investigation.

if you still feel that way after the case is closed and all the facts are known, i am sure you will let us know.

i found the interview quite honest not to mention eye-opening! things you always suspected but have rarely heard aloud... and, as bad a picture as Floyd may have painted of others, he was ten times harsher about himself.

he was/is essentially unrepentant. his lack of feeling at the death of his best friend/step-father was appalling. his only thoughts back then were "me me me" and, seemingly, are still very self-centered. that ugly picture he paints of himself makes it all quite believable.

i find it quite refreshing, actually. very few winning athletes would admit to this and yet it is a trait they almost all carry.

 

[flyor64]

The new Toto's already out on the rebuttals:

Toto 216

 

[Barrus]

The new Toto's already out on the rebuttals:

Toto 216

Great use of Luka by Suzanne Vega

 

[compete_clean]

That and it's been "my sport" since 1971. I've raced and worked in the business since then and I know that the doping situation has gotten completely out of control. To the point where it threatens the continued existance of the pro part of the sport. How about you 'mad'? I bet you were drawn to the tour around about 2001 or 2002 and you think that "the look" is just about the most *****en thing ever, huh?

thanks for that entire post. it's easy for older people to rag on newer fans, and i try to be open minded but the following is a recipe for pis$ing me off:

- started watching during the Indurain era
- double points if started watching during the LA era
- race locally on a club level
- double points if Cat III or lower
- forget riding on a national team
- forget riding stage races or heaven forbid being a paid full time athlete.
- convinced they know everything because Phil, Paul and Bob explained all to them on OLN/Versus

 

[sniper]

Cycling News taking KImmage's indirect accusations seriously, and is now giving a voice to the unheard. Yesterday Etxebarría on AC, now Simeoni on Floyd/LA:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/simeoni-welcomes-landis-account-of-2004-tour-de-france

 

[thehog]

Cycling News taking KImmage's indirect accusations seriously, and is now giving a voice to the unheard. Yesterday Etxebarría on AC, now Simeoni on Floyd/LA:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/simeoni-welcomes-landis-account-of-2004-tour-de-france

Didn't Lance say at Comeback 2.0 he wasn't chasing Simeoni down?

Some good comments from Simeoni: - Never thought of the angle that the EPO test actually pushed the drug use to those with the money.

“I always said that doping was generalized and you could say even democratic up to the time when they developed a test for EPO, then it became elitist. You needed cutting-edge methods to get around the tests from that point on – methods that often only the big riders and teams could access or afford. If Landis is saying that corruption was another way around the tests, I can’t confirm it because I was in small teams and had no exposure to that, but I can believe it, with all of the economic interests at play. As I said before, I’m very curious to see what the US government and Jeff Novitzky uncover in their investigation…”

 

[flicker]

Didn't Lance say at Comeback 2.0 he was chasing Simeoni down?

Some good comments from Simeoni: - Never thought of the angle that the EPO test actually pushed the drug use to those with the money.

“I always said that doping was generalized and you could say even democratic up to the time when they developed a test for EPO, then it became elitist. You needed cutting-edge methods to get around the tests from that point on – methods that often only the big riders and teams could access or afford. If Landis is saying that corruption was another way around the tests, I can’t confirm it because I was in small teams and had no exposure to that, but I can believe it, with all of the economic interests at play. As I said before, I’m very curious to see what the US government and Jeff Novitzky uncover in their investigation…”

Come on. Do you not think that even the lower paid riders network to have knowledge on beating a drug test. The advantage with the upper paid riders is they probably could afford to target more races.

Simeoni is being a crybaby once again. I cannot be sympathetic, he is an admitted cheater, no?

If Simeoni is counting on Novitzky to bring him a slice of apple pie with whipped cream, while Simeoni reclines and watches the dancing girls he will be waiting a long long time.

(See Manny Ramirez, Dana Stubblefield) 2 American athletes. An example of how we treat our dopers here. Oh yes Alexi Grewal.

 

[Ferminal]

Didn't Lance say at Comeback 2.0 he was chasing Simeoni down?

Some good comments from Simeoni: - Never thought of the angle that the EPO test actually pushed the drug use to those with the money.

“I always said that doping was generalized and you could say even democratic up to the time when they developed a test for EPO, then it became elitist. You needed cutting-edge methods to get around the tests from that point on – methods that often only the big riders and teams could access or afford. If Landis is saying that corruption was another way around the tests, I can’t confirm it because I was in small teams and had no exposure to that, but I can believe it, with all of the economic interests at play. As I said before, I’m very curious to see what the US government and Jeff Novitzky uncover in their investigation…”

Yeh, seems to support the hypothesis in my post (696).

 

[sniper]

Didn't Lance say at Comeback 2.0 he was chasing Simeoni down?

Indeed, it's nice to see the tables turning.

Not hard to grasp how content Simeoni will feel once LA goes down the drain.

 

[Benotti69]

Indeed, it's nice to see the tables turning.

Not hard to grasp how content Simeoni will feel once LA goes down the drain.

i imagine there are a lot more than Simeoni who will have some kind of contentment when it happens.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Come on. Do you not think that even the lower paid riders network to have knowledge on beating a drug test. The advantage with the upper paid riders is they probably could afford to target more races.

Simeoni is being a crybaby once again. I cannot be sympathetic, he is an admitted cheater, no?

If Simeoni is counting on Novitzky to bring him a slice of apple pie with whipped cream, while Simeoni reclines and watches the dancing girls he will be waiting a long long time.

(See Manny Ramirez, Dana Stubblefield) 2 American athletes. An example of how we treat our dopers here. Oh yes Alexi Grewal.

You have "no sympathy" as Simeoni is an "admitted cheater"?
But you have "sympathy" for LA who is also a "cheater"? Go figure....

 

[flicker]

You have "no sympathy" as Simeoni is an "admitted cheater"?
But you have "sympathy" for LA who is also a "cheater"? Go figure....

You really need to study the whole picture of cycling and sport. My view is International and promoting the sport. I want to promote cycling, not rubbish it as it has been done in Germany.

Gus like Simeoni and Landis are lesser riders. Also retired. They are not Cancellera, Gilbert, Schleck etc.

Now please ask Cancellera, Gilbert and Schleck to take a stand.

 

[flicker]

You really need to study the whole picture of cycling and sport. My view is International and promoting the sport. I want to promote cycling, not rubbish it as it has been done in Germany.

Gus like Simeoni and Landis are lesser riders. Also retired. They are not Cancellera, Gilbert, Schleck etc.

Now please ask Cancellera, Gilbert and Schleck to take a stand.

Check out what Cobblestoned wrote about No tour coverage in Germany.

This is what I have always said. Lance was the Golden Goose. Everyone proffited, even Landis and Simeoni.

Now the very men, Simeoni and Landis want to kill the goose, expose it as fraud and profit again.

Exactly what German journalists have done to Ullrich, different provocatuers same result.

Check out what us fans say about German TV. The future of cycling for guys like Kimmage.

 

[Cobblestoned]

You really need to study the whole picture of cycling and sport. My view is International and promoting the sport. I want to promote cycling, not rubbish it as it has been done in Germany.

Gus like Simeoni and Landis are lesser riders. Also retired. They are not Cancellera, Gilbert, Schleck etc.

Now please ask Cancellera, Gilbert and Schleck to take a stand.

flicker my friend, we both know that Simeoni is only a tool for them.
It must be really bad to be Simeoni.
Simeoni has no friends - he only has people that use him.
But please don't compare Floyd with Simeoni. Floyd at least has talent.

I appreciate that you also did the next useful step. Some people need longer than others, you know. They recognize things when it is too late.

Go on promoting - cause its useful ! Thank you !

 

[luckyboy]

Now please ask Cancellera, Gilbert and Schleck to take a stand.

Yes yes, let's have the dopers taking a stand against people speaking out.

 

[flicker]

Yes yes, let's have the dopers taking a stand against people speaking out.

That my friend is a cynical comment.

I have a better idea. Lets go after the morally bankrupt Olympic commitees and start pulling olympic medals.

Why Kimmage, LeMond, David Walsh and your other anti-doping associates have not brought up this idea?

Take a one year moritorium on any olympic sport where doping is involved.

Why these anti- dopers not think of this. The root of the problem. Please email David Walsh, LeMond, and Kimmage.

 

[Benotti69]

I have a better idea. Lets go after the morally bankrupt Olympic commitees and start pulling olympic medals.

Why Kimmage, LeMond, David Walsh and your other anti-doping associates have not brought up this idea?

Take a one year moritorium on any olympic sport where doping is involved.

Walsh has gone after FIFA...so it is only a matter of time before the IOC comes into his sights.

But this is a cycling forum and right now the biggest targets are dopers and its biggest doper, Armstrong and those that collaborated the doping and Armstrong's doping, Verbruggen/McQuaid/UCI.

 

[Darryl Webster]

You really need to study the whole picture of cycling and sport. My view is International and promoting the sport. I want to promote cycling, not rubbish it as it has been done in Germany.

Gus like Simeoni and Landis are lesser riders. Also retired. They are not Cancellera, Gilbert, Schleck etc.

Now please ask Cancellera, Gilbert and Schleck to take a stand.

Your position seems to be one of pure pragamtism devoid of any ethical or moral consideration.
As long as theres racing on telly and money coming the bottom line is being met and the business and allusion of pro racing is free to carry on as it has that seems to be all your concerned with.
I`d take a look in the mirror and guestion my sence of empathic reasoning.
Think WWF is the "sport" for you dude.
It`s a damm site more honest but somat of a sewer at the same time.
Im sure you`d fit in well.

 

[BotanyBay]

Wrt Floyd supposedly winning the Dauphine clean. I'm not going to say that's a clean race, but I bet there's a lot less doping there than in the TDF. Reason: so many of the TDF contenders use it as training, and winning it is not high priority.

Years ago, I'd say this might have been true. But now with so much scrutiny during the tour itself, the Dauphine is right in the middle of the pre-tour run-up. The dopers are doing more dope then than at any other time. They dope to be able to ride harder and harder, so they can elevate their fitness higher. Then they finish the Dauphine, taper-off, generate "clean" blood, and enter the TDF rested and fresh.

 

[hrotha]

Traditionally, including at the time Landis came 2nd, the Dauphiné was the race where some of your top domestiques tested the team program for the Tour. We've seen plenty of ridiculous performances there.

 

[BotanyBay]

Traditionally, including at the time Landis came 2nd, the Dauphiné was the race where some of your top domestiques tested the team program for the Tour. We've seen plenty of ridiculous performances there.

And I guarantee you that if there was a "real" doping control conducted at the Dauphine, you'd either see very few tour contenders allowing themselves to win or do well in individual stages, or you'd see the riders go on strike over "course safety" (wink wink).

A lot of those rider strikes have very little to do with the actual reasons given to the media. A peloton that practices Omerta knows many languages.

 

[Anonymous]

And I guarantee you that if there was a "real" doping control conducted at the Dauphine, you'd either see very few tour contenders allowing themselves to win or do well in individual stages, or you'd see the riders go on strike over "course safety" (wink wink).

A lot of those rider strikes have very little to do with the actual reasons given to the media. A peloton that practices Omerta knows many languages.

intriguing... do tell more!

 

[flicker]

Your position seems to be one of pure pragamtism devoid of any ethical or moral consideration.
As long as theres racing on telly and money coming the bottom line is being met and the business and allusion of pro racing is free to carry on as it has that seems to be all your concerned with.
I`d take a look in the mirror and guestion my sence of empathic reasoning.
Think WWF is the "sport" for you dude.
It`s a damm site more honest but somat of a sewer at the same time.
Im sure you`d fit in well.

Sorry Darryl I guess the pro cycling I have been watching for 40 years from Europe here in the states is a different sport than the one you all have been watching in Europe. Different feed, perhaps a different sattelite.

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[thehog]

Sorry Darryl I guess the pro cycling I have been watching for 40 years from Europe here in the states is a different sport than the one you all have been watching in Europe. Different feed, perhaps a different sattelite.

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[flicker]

A Pig. A pig.

Thank you, it was funny. I appreciate the folks who support clean sport.

I am 100 percent with you. And sarah p and the terminator(of kalifornia are...