Kimmage interviews Floyd Landis: Sunday Times + Bombshell NYVC transcript [merged]

[Archibald]

read it in the Sunday Times yesterday. Not much substance to it - thought it was a bit of a nothing article really

 

[thehog]

read it in the Sunday Times yesterday. Not much substance to it - thought it was a bit of a nothing article really

I give up.

What was it you were looking for?

 

[Race Radio]

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2011/landiskimmage

Here is the complete interview. Much more info here

 

[oldschoolnik]

Bombshell: New Kimmage Floyd Landis interview on NYVC

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2011/landiskimmage


*Implicates Del Moral

* Implicates Pereiro (in a big way)

*They discuss stage 16 and 17 of 2006 TDF n in more detail than i have read anywhere.

*Says given the chance to win the TDF In 2006 doped ( I think) he seems to say he would do it again but then just admit he cheated right afterwards.

*details transfusions timing dates times.

 

[hrotha]

About time he pointed his finger at Pereiro, too. Spot on about the hypocrisy.

 

[Roland Rat]

Now that's more like it!

 

[bobbins]

Makes pretty depressing reading. Good on Floyd for speaking out, I just hope that it is the catalyst for some good change.

 

[hrotha]

Kind of bummed that the story of LA and Bruyneel flushing Landis's blood down the toilet out of spite didn't quite happen the way we thought.

 

[Archibald]

I give up.

What was it you were looking for?

something from your orginal post, perhaps? maybe just something new, or a bit more of what was in the interview itself... just some substance really...

will have a read of RR's link now

 

[sniper]

This officially makes Kimmage a genius.
A mainstream piece in the Sunday Times, not pointing fingers, and leeaving behind a bombshell for others to find.

as a wise man once said: "life is like a box of chocolates"

 

[flyor64]

Just popping in for a "suscribe".

Not sure how I feel just yet...will read it again.

 

[Anonymous]

38 Pages.

 

[sniper]

Just popping in for a "suscribe".

Not sure how I feel just yet...will read it again.

a tiny BOMBSHELL will explode in the Netherlands: Boogerd implicated!!

Man, wonder what Fat Mart 'll come up with this time.

I always wondered about simple traces of needles in arms.

 

[L'arriviste]

A great interview and also very sad, I think.

A bleak story of hotel rooms and lawyers and conference suites and many desperate days.

Pro cycling seems like this substantial thing, a life even, but then he tears through the flimsy fabric of it only to find nothing but a hopeless void on the outside.

 

[thehog]

This:

Okay, let’s wind back and apply what happened to the race. So you do this epic ride to Morzine and win stage 17 but you don’t actually take the yellow jersey back?

Correct, yes.



You won it back on the penultimate stage in the time trial?

Yeah.



So there is still pressure on you going into the time trial? You still have to do it?

Yeah, exactly but I was relatively sure...I mean, I know Pereiro and I know he wasn’t going to have any new tricks that he hadn’t already tried so…I had talked to him about it and he told me that he had another blood transfusion to do but I still wasn’t concerned because I was a better time triallist than him regardless…



You talked to him about it?

Yeah, we talked openly about this in the peloton, that’s why I couldn’t believe no one did this before I did it. We literally just spoke openly; he did a blood transfusion and some artificial haemoglobin.



You’re kidding me!

Yeah, and then he threw me under the bus (laughs) and I put up with it for four years!



****!

**** him is right.



That’s astonishing.

(He is laughing.) It’s a stupid story, a long stupid story.

 

[Ferminal]

Ugh, looks like sleep is delayed whilst I read this mammoth paper.

 

[Barrus]

I'm just reading through it and a lot seems like a human interest story, but one aspect that really amazed me up to the point I have now read, even though by now it shouldn't, is the behaviour of the UCI when Landis was not paid and asked for a pay out of the bank guarantee. Especially this part:

I had my lawyer send them an email saying ‘I need to be paid and if you don’t, then I’m going to have to pursue some legal way of doing it’ and we got a letter directly from Hein Verbruggen (the UCI president) stating that ‘This is not the United States, this is Switzerland’ and that ‘threatening to sue us is going to get the wrong reaction and I’m going to advise all of my people to deal with you accordingly.’ It was basically ‘**** off, you’re not getting the money.’ It took two years to get the money, and every time we would try to contact them they would just tell us to **** off basically and ‘sue us’ and ‘we don’t care’ and it was just one thing after another.

 

[oldschoolnik]

I'm just reading through it and a lot seems like a human interest story, but one aspect that really amazed me up to the point I have now read, even though by now it shouldn't, is the behaviour of the UCI when Landis was not paid and asked for a pay out of the bank guarantee. Especially this part:

That section is fascinating: Looks like Och was the "connect"


Why was Ochowicz called? What was his role?

He was the guy, the in-between guy, that’s what Lance explained to me. He said ‘Look, Jim Ochowicz is the guy that orchestrates this kind of thing.’

hmm

 

[Anonymous]

I liked this bit

P.K Great. That’s exactly what you need to do. The next step is to stay away from Cyclingnews and all of the cycling websites, but keep riding your bike, that will always feel good.
…But that too, was easier said than done and a couple of days later he was making headlines again: “Floyd Landis calls for legalised doping.”
P.K There is only one thing worse than reading Cyclingnews…talking to them.
F.L Yeah, I’ll never make that mistake again. **** them.

Oops..

Other than that, hangs Oscar Periero out to dry, Barry needs to answer some questions, and the UCI is corrupt.

 

[Roland Rat]

But here’s the problem; in my head the truth is more complex than in Vaughters head, and I’ve now finally understood that. (Last April), when I was going to tell the story, I had some correspondence with him - because he knew before some other people did - and his advice was, “Just say what you know about you and don’t say anything about anyone else.” And I said, “Yeah, but Jonathan, this story involves other people. How do I tell the story without that? What do I do when they say ‘Who helped you dope on the Postal Service team?” He said “Just say it’s none of your business.” Those were his words. I said, “Vaughters, have you ever talked to the press? Saying ‘none of your business’ is probably the worst thing you can say.” In my mind the truth was complex. In his mind it was ‘Yeah, I doped now just go home.’ That’s what he was trying to tell me to say

ermmmm...... more bad press for JV.

 

[L'arriviste]

A great interview and also very sad, I think.

A bleak story of hotel rooms and lawyers and conference suites and many desperate days.

Pro cycling seems like this substantial thing, a life even, but then he tears through the flimsy fabric of it only to find nothing but a hopeless void on the outside.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

ermmmm...... more bad press for JV.

Indeed. Again confirms my thoughts, and the thoughts of a lot of people about the facade of cleanliness that Vaughters is trying to create.

 

[sniper]

How's this for a quote:

"unlike Lance, I really did race for free that year"

 

[Roland Rat]

Kimmage:

It’s the most beautiful sport in the world but it’s governed by ***ts who have turned it into a crock of ****.

Hallelujah.

 

[flyor64]

Two are sticking with me alot right now.

This one on his Tour win and revocation:

"I didn’t care if he was lying, I just didn’t want him pointing fingers at me and saying I robbed him. There was no doubt in my mind that whoever I might have kept off the podium, didn’t belong on the podium."

And this one, that is made quite plain after reading this article:

"What I ended-up being in the press is in no way how I see myself or who I really am. I mean, I don’t think that there is any way that someone who has never met me could get even a remotely accurate picture of me."