Kimmage, Macur and others on Armstrong

[Benotti69]

The Sunday Times still has a score to settle over the Walsh case. To think they had to print a retraction and pay fees.

They also have a juicy story coming up courtesy of Kimmage. A nice two page spread in their weekly edition.

Armstrong won't be suing again. This time around Kimmage can prove he's a fraud.

somebody needs to post that on this link and scan the double page spread too

 

[sheenyp]

Sadly the times is a subscription site only these days so unless anybody has paid up then we can't really get a link.
However, I get the paper most weeks so if it appears then Ill see what I can do .....

 

[Monte Zoncolon]

I hope that when Armstrong is sent down Betsy comes on here to join in the celebrations. Preferably drunk. And with the swear filter switched off.

I bet Filippo Simeoni would also be on the invite list to these celebrations. And after a few Jack Daniels, voice his fair share of profanities.

 

[Digger]

Sadly the times is a subscription site only these days so unless anybody has paid up then we can't really get a link.
However, I get the paper most weeks so if it appears then Ill see what I can do .....

I have a subscription so I will sort yee out.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Thanks dim. I liked the bit where Macur says other athletes (plural!) have corroborated what floyd said. They corroborated that not only did they all dope, but they were made to, encouraged, and it was paid for.

Kimage doesn't mince his words

I agree Macur was probably the most condemning in a rather nice, smiling way. I've rarely seen Kimmage in such a forceful mood. The Marion Jones denial folled by her admission was also very powerful.

Thank you to the poster for the link.

 

[Anonymous]

I thought Macur did a very good job of saying she thought armstrong was a cheat, without actually saying that she thought so.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I hope that when Armstrong is sent down Betsy comes on here to join in the celebrations. Preferably drunk. And with the swear filter switched off.

Seriously, we should annouce parties in Europe and America. I suggest Paris and Boston (only because its a 20 minute drive for me ). My list for the US party. Feel free to add.
Floyd Landis, Anderson, Betsy, Frankie, Greg Lemond, Novitsky, President and counsel for SCA Promotions, John Wilcockson (to seat in a corner and taunt), Tyler (if he told the truth to the grand jury; if not he can sit with John), Prentis Steffan, Juliet Macur, my cycling buddy Andy (French wife and avid follower of the Tour in France every year). Add whomever you think I've missed.

 

[Adamastor]

Kimmage on landis

I found this gem by searching the web on Landis and Kimmage. Times article dated 30th July 2006 (before Landis got nailed with his B-sample):

"...But don’t ask me to cheer for him. And I’ve lost any desire I had to interview him. I just don’t believe what I have seen. How can I have any doubts? Last Saturday, after his race-clinching performance in the time-trial at Montceau, Landis was asked a series of questions about the doping affair in Spain that had resulted in the eviction of the two race favourites, Jan Ullrich and Ivan Basso. “I don’t know anything about that,” he said.

When asked the question again, he grew irritable: “Look, as you keep asking, I’ll say that it was an unfortunate situation and none of us got any satisfaction out of the fact that they weren’t here. Got any questions about anything else?” Contrast his response with the reaction of England’s Bradley Wiggins, who said: “Get the *******s out.” Now, maybe I’m wrong, but if you were constantly getting screwed by the guys on drugs, would you react like Landis or like Wiggins?...."

Inspiring...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/cycling/article694622.ece

 

[MD FACG FACP]

I wonder what changed for Wiggo. He went from that in '06, to praising Armstrong in his '10 book.

 

[Roland Rat]

I wonder what changed for Wiggo. He went from that in '06, to praising Armstrong in his '10 book.

Wiggins is scared of him. Example 1, Wiggins' quote recently saying he won't comment much on Armstrong "Because he reads it". Example 2, look how Wiggins ass-licked Armstrong when Wiggins was caught bragging at a dinner last winter that he was "better than Armstrong".

 

[thehog]

I wonder what changed for Wiggo. He went from that in '06, to praising Armstrong in his '10 book.

Once Wiggo went from "french styled freedom attacker" to "contender" he realised what was needed to contend. Then "yo respect Lance" - didn't know you'd have to buy your own fridge.

 

[euanli]

Landis' response is of a man who wasn't happy having done what he did. I imagine they would have talked about that knowing Kimmage.

 

[Benotti69]

I agree Macur was probably the most condemning in a rather nice, smiling way. I've rarely seen Kimmage in such a forceful mood. The Marion Jones denial folled by her admission was also very powerful.

Thank you to the poster for the link.

the Jones comparison was great, same lawyers comment a real cherry, but dont expect uniballer to break down crying on the court steps. way too much of a sociopathic egotistical maniac to even believe he did wrong no matter what the courts prove.

i really hope the bbc documentary department(or other credible tv corp) get their teeth into this story and do a feature on this. makes for great entertainment

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggins is scared of him. Example 1, Wiggins' quote recently saying he won't comment much on Armstrong "Because he reads it". Example 2, look how Wiggins ass-licked Armstrong when Wiggins was caught bragging at a dinner last winter that he was "better than Armstrong".

uniballer has a large web throughout the sport and it is difficult to function without being touched by it in some way. he has a % in lots of cycling companies.

 

[Ferminal]

i really hope the bbc documentary department(or other credible tv corp) get their teeth into this story and do a feature on this. makes for great entertainment

Umm what happened to the feature film? I like a good bit of fiction.

 

[Roland Rat]

uniballer has a large web throughout the sport and it is difficult to function without being touched by it in some way. he has a % in lots of cycling companies.

Yeah, not saying it's a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with a bit of pragmatism, there's enough to think about in cycling as it is without bringing the Wrath of Armstrong upon you. I'm sure in private Wiggins would say very differently.

 

[fatandfast]

I agree w Kimmage..you would have to be a total psychopath to come up with that level of detail. Just like Paul's book..I never did it but everybody else did..lots of pressure and oh yeah a couple of guys I will toast are dead so I can say they doped and dead men tell no tales. If Lance is cancer I will hate to see what cycling looks like after he is cured. That was really hard hitting for some middle aged burn outs turning a wrench to chime in they appear to be up on all the latest in pro cycling and coaster brake repairs..Paul go back to Ireland Roche wants to have words with you

 

[euanli]

Whit now? Sheesh

 

[Race Radio]

I agree w Kimmage..you would have to be a total psychopath to come up with that level of detail. Just like Paul's book..I never did it but everybody else did..lots of pressure and oh yeah a couple of guys I will toast are dead so I can say they doped and dead men tell no tales. If Lance is cancer I will hate to see what cycling looks like after he is cured. That was really hard hitting for some middle aged burn outs turning a wrench to chime in they appear to be up on all the latest in pro cycling and coaster brake repairs..Paul go back to Ireland Roche wants to have words with you

It appears you never read Paul's book.

 

[Digger]

I agree w Kimmage..you would have to be a total psychopath to come up with that level of detail. Just like Paul's book..I never did it but everybody else did..lots of pressure and oh yeah a couple of guys I will toast are dead so I can say they doped and dead men tell no tales. If Lance is cancer I will hate to see what cycling looks like after he is cured. That was really hard hitting for some middle aged burn outs turning a wrench to chime in they appear to be up on all the latest in pro cycling and coaster brake repairs..Paul go back to Ireland Roche wants to have words with you

Firstly you are wrong to say that Paul said he never did it.
He names plenty of people who are alive who doped.
Roche is a brave man to take issue considering his name is on Conconi's files.
And finally, a certain Sean Kelly has not commented one way or another in twenty years on the book. I wonder could it possibly be that he knows Kimmage is right?
If you're going ot comment on his work, maybe read it first.

 

[Benotti69]

I agree w Kimmage..you would have to be a total psychopath to come up with that level of detail. Just like Paul's book..I never did it but everybody else did..lots of pressure and oh yeah a couple of guys I will toast are dead so I can say they doped and dead men tell no tales. If Lance is cancer I will hate to see what cycling looks like after he is cured. That was really hard hitting for some middle aged burn outs turning a wrench to chime in they appear to be up on all the latest in pro cycling and coaster brake repairs..Paul go back to Ireland Roche wants to have words with you

show some enlightenment. Roche lives in the south of France. Kimmage lives in Ireland.

Kimmage was never sued for what he wrote in his book.

 

[BotanyBay]

I agree w Kimmage..you would have to be a total psychopath to come up with that level of detail. Just like Paul's book..I never did it but everybody else did..lots of pressure and oh yeah a couple of guys I will toast are dead so I can say they doped and dead men tell no tales. If Lance is cancer I will hate to see what cycling looks like after he is cured. That was really hard hitting for some middle aged burn outs turning a wrench to chime in they appear to be up on all the latest in pro cycling and coaster brake repairs..Paul go back to Ireland Roche wants to have words with you

I've not read his book since 1996, but from what I remember... He concentrated on the activity, not the names. What people would do, how often, under what circumstances, what was the effect, how he felt about it, etc. He fully admits having taken it, and explained the role that management had in the situation. He never blamed anyone but himself. Glad I never had to go through post-tour "Criterium" season. At the time he wrote it, it was not so important that he blew the lid off of everyone's personal situation. He was merely letting everyone know that there WAS a situation, and that the situation was bad. I think that Kimmage's book was a great "fencepost" for doping. First for what people were doing before it was published, and then the choices they made afterward.

Kimmage does a fine job (now that the cat's out of the bag) of holding people personally accountable. I think he would have been happy to leave all alone, but the boulder he dropped is a heavy one, and often requires a good shove to get moving. And he's just the guy that can do it.

Read his book.

 

[SC1990]

I just wish Kimmage wasn't so militant about the whole thing. Yes, yes, some defenders of Armstrong are also clearly never going to back down, but the whole 'cancer' thing just seems in incredibly bad taste and doesn't exactly make me want to listen to his views, as in the light of that they don't exactly seem balanced. And before the 'Armstrong is scum' army rain down upon me telling me I've been brain washed by the media machine or whatever, I'm just saying that Kimmage's attitude and ambience, so to speak, isn't very positive, not that I don't believe him at all.

 

[Race Radio]

I just wish Kimmage wasn't so militant about the whole thing. Yes, yes, some defenders of Armstrong are also clearly never going to back down, but the whole 'cancer' thing just seems in incredibly bad taste and doesn't exactly make me want to listen to his views, as in the light of that they don't exactly seem balanced. And before the 'Armstrong is scum' army rain down upon me telling me I've been brain washed by the media machine or whatever, I'm just saying that Kimmage's attitude and ambience, so to speak, isn't very positive, not that I don't believe him at all.

You need to understand what he has been though for questioning the myth. You can't imaging the garbage Wonderboy and his groupies have tossed at Paul over the last decade.

Given what he has had to go through I think Paul is too calm.

 

[flicker]

I just wish Kimmage wasn't so militant about the whole thing. Yes, yes, some defenders of Armstrong are also clearly never going to back down, but the whole 'cancer' thing just seems in incredibly bad taste and doesn't exactly make me want to listen to his views, as in the light of that they don't exactly seem balanced. And before the 'Armstrong is scum' army rain down upon me telling me I've been brain washed by the media machine or whatever, I'm just saying that Kimmage's attitude and ambience, so to speak, isn't very positive, not that I don't believe him at all.

What I am curious about with Kimmage and his allies are;

1 If their( Kimmage and his allies)dream is realized and the cancer(Lance) is removed and sanctioned, fined, imprisoned, shamed and defrauded what are the allies and Kimmage next agenda.

Armstrong has brought about awarrness in cycling ,health, cancer awarness, and fitness.

What is the future for all the good done by Armstrong and his organization.
Does Kimmage, LeMond, Walsh have plans to fill in the vacumm if their plan to defraud Armstrong/Livestrong and Lances' pro racing ties if as they say "the cancer is finally killed?