Kreuziger going down?

[Catwhoorg]

It was his binge boozing, that's the reason for the abnormalities!


I cannot imagine an appeal will take long once the case file gets to the UCI.

 

[del1962]

I heard JTL is looking for a Czech passport

 

[BYOP88]

I'm guessing the UCI appeal this one. If only Kreuziger spoke English, then they'd let it slide.

 

[Jancouver]

I'm guessing the UCI appeal this one. If only Kreuziger spoke English, then they'd let it slide.

As expected .... UCI appeal to come in 3, 2, 1 ...

 

[sniper]

cookson had already convicted kreuziger before he had gotten due process.
so this is a nice and justified middle finger from the czech federation to the uci. cookson's pro-sky bias is too much.

 

[hrotha]

The irony in your posts is amazing. Talk about bias. Jesus, you guys are tiresome.

 

[del1962]

I'm guessing the UCI appeal this one. If only Kreuziger spoke English, then they'd let it slide.

Like speaking English helped JTL, (they do speak English down in the west country?)

 

[deValtos]

What power does the Czech Olympic Committee have then ?

Does this mean Kreuz is free to race or does he need to be "cleared" by more parties ?

 

[Race Radio]

The commission took account of the fact that the value of the athlete’s Biological Passport did not exceed the so-called basal (extreme) values

Clearly the commission does not understand the passport. It is about variance in values not the levels

 

[DirtyWorks]

What power does the Czech Olympic Committee have then ?

Does this mean Kreuz is free to race or does he need to be "cleared" by more parties ?

When a case is opened on a positive by an International anti-doping authority like the UCI, the sanction is sent to the country of the athlete's license. Procedurally, there is no other way to do it sensibly. Is anyone surprised that the athlete's home federation might find issues with the sanction? Baugge was a great example.

The UCI will make sure he doesn't race. They've done this before and we now know the UCI directly meddles in team affairs.

Why he was chosen remains a fascinating question.

 

[No_Balls]

They would hardly have sanctioned him anyway.

 

[the sceptic]

would be hillarious if he got off after Cookson declared him a doper

 

[DirtyWorks]

Clearly the commission does not understand the passport. It is about variance in values not the levels

Sometimes I'm not sure you understand the system was designed to never test positive.

IOC sports have various amounts of testing and talk endlessly about how great all the testing is, except they never test positive.

 

[DirtyWorks]

would be hillarious if he got off after Cookson declared him a doper

Until the UCI appeals, he's off.

That's not to say he'll be racing. He's either blacklisted now or someone, somewhere's done a deal to get him off the blacklist too. Judging by Cookson declaring RK positive, I'm guessing it's the blacklist for him.

 

[TomasC]

Clearly the commission does not understand the passport. It is about variance in values not the levels

Indeed, reading the press release, I got the impression that they had two contradicting explanations, did not understand neither and decided: "Hell, we don't understand a bit of this...but nobody really does. So if we clear him and he gets sanctioned by CAS later, everyone will understand it was a complicated case and we did the best we could. If he's cleared by CAS, great - see, we told you he was innocent!"

 

[Race Radio]

Indeed, reading the press release, I got the impression that they had two contradicting explanations, did not understand either and decided: "Hell, we don't understand a bit of this...but nobody really does. So if we clear him and he gets sanctioned by CAS later, everyone will understand it was a complicated case and we did the best we could. If he's cleared by CAS, great - see, we told you he was innocent!"

It will be very interesting to read the details of his defense, if they ever get released as IIRC they don't have to release anything.

Past ABP defenses have focused on testing, sample handling, and various excuses about drinking or training at altitude. This tactic has consistently failed and I understand Kreuziger did not take that road. His defense were that his numbers were completely normal and the ABP is flawed.

The UCI has to appeal this. It would be a huge loss if they just let it slide. Expect the handful of lawyers who fight these cases to be calling Kreuziger's lawyers to learn more.

 

[BYOP88]

Like speaking English helped JTL, (they do speak English down in the west country?)

I'm glad that JTL is banned, I'll be delighted when Kreuziger is banned. I'm pi$$ed off that Impey has gotten away with his doping.

 

[Jancouver]

Why he was chosen remains a fascinating question.

Perhaps Cookson is secretly in love with Froome and wanted to throw a bone by removing Berti's first lieutenant from the TDF. Then, when he crashed out and decided to race Vuelta he had to make sure Roman cant race Vuelta either.

It didnt help and Berti won anyway

... and I'm just kidding

... but with UCI anything is possible

 

[Netserk]

Kreuziger also removed from the provisional suspension list. The document says the last update was 12th of September (http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/...142209ADRVProvisionalSuspensionEN_English.pdf), but back then (http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/...141209ADRVProvisionalSuspensionEN_English.pdf) Kreuziger was on it unlike now.

 

[Race Radio]

Here the reasoned decision. In Czech

Hope to have a translation shortly

http://www.olympic.cz/upload/files/ROZHODCI-KOMISE-NALEZ-O.pdf

 

[Beech Mtn]

So Kreuziger is currently in the same boat as Contador after RFEC cleared him, and he went on to win the Giro, etc - free to race until the CAS case was ruled upon. And then we see if CAS does find him guilty, do they give him a proper 2-year ban, or just strip whatever he earned while racing between being cleared and CAS ruling.

It's to Kreuziger's benefit to have his attorneys drag this stuff out as long as possible now that he will be able to race again.

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His defense were that his numbers were completely normal and the ABP is flawed.

The UCI has to appeal this. It would be a huge loss if they just let it slide. Expect the handful of lawyers who fight these cases to be calling Kreuziger's lawyers to learn more.

Very much agree - if his tactics are to call into the question the whole biopassport setup, UCI has to throw a ton of lawyers and experts at this case with a very vigorous defense. I bet both sides could well end up causing delays and dragging this out, just because there will be a lot on the line for both. And Kreuz has the funds to bring a ton of his own scientists, lawyers, etc. And mount a huge PR show of a defense too. This could drag on and get really messy before it's all said and done.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Indeed, reading the press release, I got the impression that they had two contradicting explanations, did not understand neither and decided: "Hell, we don't understand a bit of this...but nobody really does. So if we clear him and he gets sanctioned by CAS later, everyone will understand it was a complicated case and we did the best we could. If he's cleared by CAS, great - see, we told you he was innocent!"

That gives the national federation nice cover to avoid having to ban one of their bigger stars. The power of politics - nobody wants to be the bad guy and take down one of their own. It's a little easier if the guy is a smaller name.

 

[mrhender]

Reasoned decision here: http://www.olympic.cz/upload/files/ROZHODCI-KOMISE-NALEZ-O.pdf


Maybe a kind poster in control of the Czech language can translate some of it to answer (if possible) following questions I have:


1. Is there any specific details as to the "numbers" of the abnormalities?

2. Which specific explanations did the defence give to these abnormalities?

3. They say in the press release that there is no evidence of an anti-doping violation. I know that at least one of RK's experts has been pubilcally arguing the passport is flawed, and to some extent useless..
Is the decision based on a "new" kind of interpretation of the BP and it's validity? If so, then a duplicate of the result in CAS could be a game-changer.

(of course anything of interest that springs to mind would be appreciated)

On another note.. UCI not appealing instantly surprises me a bit.
Since the president himself has jeopardised his credibility on the case, then this hesitation seems a bit weird to me. Why let the news go out that he is clear without immediate response.. Why let the headline of cleared sink in, when it has obviously been a high profile PR-case all the way through.

 

[Jancouver]

Kreuziger is blaming his issues on his Thyroid problems .... thats a new one


Google translate ....

After the first hearing at the Arbitration Commission of the Czech Olympic Committee, which was arbtitrem in case of suspicious values ​​Roman Kreuziger, were mysterious: We can not go into details, it is a medical mystery. But when 28-year old cyclist on Monday heard acquittal, told the reason fluctuations. "I have thyroid problems," he said, but now he rejoiced: "Again I can compete."


"We are happy that it turned out this way," sighed the i Jan Šťovíček, Kreuzigerův counsel. "Common sense prevailed, law and justice. Mr. Kreuziger never Doping finding a group of experts UCI has not satisfied its burden of proof. Has not established that a breach has occurred."

This is Kreuziger had committed years ago while working at the Kazakh team Astana, even then, it took medications that have a functional substitute hormones from the thyroid gland. Health problems that affect proper blood formation, the cyclist more than ten years.

"It's a major reason for fluctuations in the biological passport, but one of them," said Kreuziger and Šťovíček said: "This was the fact that we used as an argument by the Arbitration Commission, because experts UCI did not take it into account. But even if one is sick there is no reason not to exercise their profession. "

It is now Kreuziger enjoying most of all, because last raced around Switzerland, since then, more than 100 days pauzíruje. "From today again I can exercise my profession, I can begin to race," exulted and was already planning on which plants could go.

The classic Around Lombardy've probably due to the late date for the application misses, it could go to China for the last "worldtour" Tour of Beijing. But the World Cup, which is now held in the Spanish Ponferrada, rejected outright. "It would not be so good," he admitted. "We have three good runners run over, I did not want there to push., I'm aware of his abilities in 7-hour race."

Kreuziger are now celebrating, is not yet won. Jesus himself suspect that the International Cycling Union, UCI, counterparty and "plaintiff" in the case of can and quite probably appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne.

"We will continue to fight, if necessary, to defend the truth in which we believe. Fight not only for Mr. Kreuziger, but for all athletes," said cyklistův lawyer.

"We won the stage, but we want to win the race," said Kreuziger.

 

[the sceptic]

I guess the altitude native and badzilla excuses were already taken