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Don't be late Pedro said:And people say romance is dead...
(No idea if that is Photoshop or not)
I'll take that as a not.Netserk said:
Netserk said:Please watch it again. Gerrans pulled twice, it was only GVA and Gallopin who didn't contribute. Gerrans contributed almost as much as Matti did. Valverde did more than Matti (bigger difference between those two's contributions than SG's and MB's contributions).
nhowson said:Okay, so we have a rider that wins by playing to his strengths and sprinting from a small group and a rider that attacks on the downhill and that's the only way he's going to win.
This is literally the best part of cycling, different styles, conflict in tactics. If Gerrans pulled them home, then that's ripe for Valverde to come around him and win anyway, furthermore, Gilbert was riding his heart out anyway, and he is a better pursuer than Gerrans will ever be. Would it have been useful if Gerrans tried a pull himself with that in mind?
nhowson said:Okay, so we have a rider that wins by playing to his strengths and sprinting from a small group and a rider that attacks on the downhill and that's the only way he's going to win.
This is literally the best part of cycling, different styles, conflict in tactics. If Gerrans pulled them home, then that's ripe for Valverde to come around him and win anyway, furthermore, Gilbert was riding his heart out anyway, and he is a better pursuer than Gerrans will ever be. Would it have been useful if Gerrans tried a pull himself with that in mind?
nhowson said:Okay, so we have a rider that wins by playing to his strengths and sprinting from a small group and a rider that attacks on the downhill and that's the only way he's going to win.
This is literally the best part of cycling, different styles, conflict in tactics. If Gerrans pulled them home, then that's ripe for Valverde to come around him and win anyway, furthermore, Gilbert was riding his heart out anyway, and he is a better pursuer than Gerrans will ever be. Would it have been useful if Gerrans tried a pull himself with that in mind?
Just like Valverde did...Angliru said:There is a vast difference between "pulling them home" and simply taking a pull/turn on the front. Gilbert was riding his heart out for a teammate so had no reason to leave anything in the tank for the finish. Gerrans could have taken a pull after Gilbert puttered out or even before, he could have initiated the pursuit of the escapee, he said he had the legs. He chose to sit in and wait for someone else to escort him to the win.
Netserk said:Just like Valverde did...
Sure, but it is quite funny how Angliru defends Valverde while blaming Gerrans.Bushman said:Gerrans was the fastest in the group and should have initiated the pursuit. Maybe if he had taken one or two pulls the other guys would have followed up.
Netserk said:Sure, but it is quite funny how Angliru defends Valverde while blaming Gerrans.
Netserk said:Gerrans took two pulls on the descent (more than Gallopin and GVA) and both him and Valverde didn't take any pull where it mattered (on the flat).
Netserk said:Gerrans took two pulls on the descent (more than Gallopin and GVA) and both him and Valverde didn't take any pull where it mattered (on the flat).
What.nhowson said:You've got to have negative and positive riders though. Otherwise everything in the mountains goes into W/kg because everyone is attacking and riding at their own pace. I agree that Gerrans isn't exciting, but is mocking him and revelling in his loss really necessary to get that across?
Hugo Koblet said:As mentioned earlier, Valverde did actually attack so I don't get the flaming of him? He was more aggressive than 90% of the peloton.
hrotha said:What.
You're certainly going to have wheelsuckers. Doesn't mean you *need* them, or that they should be celebrated.
And yes, mocking Gerrans is very necessary. Can't let the negative racing culture spread even more, can we.