Lance amps the big guns

[Oldman]

This case is little to do about doping..ts about money laundering, misappropriation of government funds, bribing sports officials, drug trafficking, drug using, coercing and commercial fraud.

You don't hire a legal team like Lance has because you want to keep mum on if you doped or not. You hire these guys so you don't go to jail.

Like I been sayin'...and there's a bigga fish upstream wit' bigga enumies...
Weisel, Stapleton, US IOC reps. They'sall da nex thing for the big hurt.

 

[frenchfry]

Interesting he doesn't say "untrue".

No mention of the French, witch hunts or most tested of all time either.

Strange that he doesn't appear to be in possession of the talking points. Or is this going to be a whole new strategic direction? Hard to believe that they thing discrediting Floyd will be sufficient to weasel out of this mess.

 

[python]

No mention of the French, witch hunts or most tested of all time either.

Strange that he doesn't appear to be in possession of the talking points. Or is this going to be a whole new strategic direction? Hard to believe that they thing discrediting Floyd will be sufficient to weasel out of this mess.

i too cant figure out what exactly this new guy will be doing ?

beef up the image ? but haven't they already gotten the ps to do that ?

prevent leaks ? but that's outside of their capacity anyway...

i don't get it. unless the situation is more worrisome than the texas spinners are willing to admit.

 

[Benotti69]

i too cant figure out what exactly this new guy will be doing ?

beef up the image ? but haven't they already gotten the ps to do that ?

prevent leaks ? but that's outside of their capacity anyway...

i don't get it. unless the situation is more worrisome than the texas spinners are willing to admit.

i imagine that Weisel is directing this and that he is pulling in the big guns and running the behind the scenes action. Weisel will be thinking about all the big business boys who are in jail or did time recently Conrad Black the Enron scandal etc.......

when LA said he was just "a rider on the team" did the Weisel's, Stapleton's etc shít themselves and that LA's signed his fall there and then.....he has not repeated it.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Nothing screams "I'm innocent!" louder than a bunch of high priced attorneys.

Worked for OJ.

 

[la.margna]

This is Lance's big fight: if he comes out of this even just a little tainted, he's home free for the rest of his life. It's going to be a long and bloody battle, and even LA's biggest haters (a group amongst which I include myself) should realize that with the kind of council he's going to have, the chances he could walk away from this without any real punishment at all are pretty good.

couldn't agree more

 

[Benotti69]

Not sure why Lance had to bring in "Bill's Boys" when all of us Imaginary Public Strategies Employees had the situation well under control.

Oh well, better safe than sorry I guess.

i think you mean Public Imaginary Stratagies Stooges HEADS

 

[Berzin]

Hincapie and Armstrong can lawyer up all they want.

How is that going to keep others from speaking the truth?

And really, what can Hincapie do besides try to not talk? If he lies and is contradicted by Landis, Hamilton and a few others, he's going to jail for lying to the Feds.

Understandably he doesn't want to talk, because his legacy is on the line also.

But all the high-priced attorneys in the world aren't going to keep the others from testifying. You know, those who can't afford to spend millions upon jillions of dollars on lawyers until this blows over.

The only way Armstrong could possibly get out of this is if his legal team can prove that the however many witnesses the Feds interview are lying. They can show that some of the witnesses may have ulterior motives or suffer serious credibility issues, but to prove they are all collectively lying?

How can they do that? I just don't see it happening.

 

[Benotti69]

Hincapie and Armstrong can lawyer up all they want.

How is that going to keep others from speaking the truth?

And really, what can Hincapie do besides try to not talk? If he lies and is contradicted by Landis, Hamilton and a few others, he's going to jail for lying to the Feds.

Understandably he doesn't want to talk, because his legacy is on the line also.

But all the high-priced attorneys in the world aren't going to keep the others from testifying. You know, those who can't afford to spend millions upon jillions of dollars on lawyers until this blows over.

ssshhhh! these lawyers need to buy new mercs, bms, yachts and more properties in the bahamas

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Like Python, I'm not sure what he's anticipating? I can only guess that he's planning on being called to the grand jury and first needs the team to help him prepare for that, and to take advantage of the air time when that happens to spin it as much as possible. But they're already trying to do that, aren't they? So...?

I'm now almost entirely convinced that Hincapie is not going to be the Andy Pettite to Lance's Roger Clemens, and Hincapie is thinking the iceberg can't cut metal, and will go down with the ship. Shame, really.

Money can only get you so far. Bernie Madoff and Allen Stanford were billionaires, and both will likely be in prison forever.

Not sure why Lance had to bring in "Bill's Boys" when all of us Imaginary Public Strategies Employees had the situation well under control.

That was funny!

 

[henryg]

Lance won't be going to jail for doping. It's the fraud charges and various charges related to the money trail that would land him in the slammer. A high priced legal team can make that much less likely to happen.

Lance has already started with the I was only an employee line. I don't know where that leaves Bruyneel and the owner of Tailwind sports. What if one of them decides it's time to trade Lance for immunity?

Because the doping was such a team effort I think it's a forgone conclusion all the doping stuff comes out. How Lance deals with that as far as the myth he's built up I don't know. But I guess first priority is staying out of jail and protecting his financial assets. He can come up with some sob story for the faithful later.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Armstrong hires a puppet so he does not spill the beans. The story line thickens!

 

[thehog]

i too cant figure out what exactly this new guy will be doing ?

beef up the image ? but haven't they already gotten the ps to do that ?

prevent leaks ? but that's outside of their capacity anyway...

i don't get it. unless the situation is more worrisome than the texas spinners are willing to admit.

This guy is a lobbyist. He's job is to get into the administration and apply pressure to drop the investigation. Call up friends and favours and get this marked down as a waste of tax payers money. Armstrong to make a sizeable donation to the political party who gets the investigation shelved. This guy is not a lawyer in the true sense of the word. He's a player.

The irony here is that whilst Lance doesn’t have “time” nor the “energy” to bring about a defamation case on Landis he got the time to hire a guy like this!

 

[python]

just brain storming the political experience angle of the new guy and his connectedness to the big wigs network…

may be one of the new tactics will be gradual ratcheting up pressure on the prosecution via mobilizing ‘friendly’ media ?

let’s face it, having nyt and wsj leading a cause against their client can’t be beneficial to his image. it’s also pretty clear texas is losing on the internet (just check the stoned quality).

but there’s still a lot of ‘uncommitted’ press. particularly on the american west coast.

to balance them out, this new guy can prepare and feed his old media buddies some stories (like pat jonker’s) based on friendly recollections of former associates, postal riders, retired politicians, medical and physiology gurus.

the themes to explore are endless, one only needs to place a call and throw enough money in:

‘un-mmerican witch hunt, taxpayers money, anticancer heroics, landis lacks credibility, never tested positive, true american hero, lance is miracle of nature, lemond is a jealous buffoon'….you name it…

edit: just noted that thehog addressed some of my points already.

 

[Bicicleta]

Hincapie has also lawyered up. He can't afford the big guns like Lance.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704476104575439980316939238.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Nope, Wachtell is big time. Definitely among the big NYC guns.

 

[Anonymous]

Well to be fair, that is what they are screaming, but I don't buy it, do you?

Nope.

I think it's very instructive to watch how innocent people behave and compare that to people who are... less than innocent.

If I'm Lance and I did'nt do what I've been accused of I think I would behave very differently.

 

[thehog]

Nope.

I think it's very instructive to watch how innocent people behave and compare that to people who are... less than innocent.

If I'm Lance and I did'nt do what I've been accused of I think I would behave very differently.

If he was innocent you’d expect a defamation case against Landis with a gag order to stop the leaks and lies. Then you’d expect a press conference to assert that the accusations are simply not true. Whilst I understand if you’re the subject of a federal investigation it makes sense to have the appropriate legal advice to deal with the case. Although as far as Armstrong is concerned there is no case. They’re not talking to him.

I would suspect the case has access to bank account information in the US and Europe via Interpol and they’re tracking the flow of money between Armstrong, his management company, Livestrong and other associated companies. They don’t need to talk to the Armstrong to see what donations have been made. They can see all this via the flow of bank information. I would be surprised if they bothered to cover this stuff up. Back in 2002 you’d hardly think that 8 year later Federal Investgators would be sniffing about the UCI.

 

[NashbarShorts]

Hincapie's change in representation is interesting. Just recently on another thread, it was explained that his lawyer was a small fish from LA who essentially was a fanboy (amateur USCF cyclist). I guess George has finally figured out that "ability to ride a paceline" is not sufficient legal expertise in this case.

I wonder if he is paying for this new representation out-of-pocket or if his yellow friend is chipping in?

Don't think it's surprising that Hincapie would clam up and "go down w/ the ship". If it comes out he's been doped his whole career, it really tarnishes his ability to sell cycling apparel...

 

[thehog]

Hincapie's change in representation is interesting. Just recently on another thread, it was explained that his lawyer was a small fish from LA who essentially was a fanboy (amateur USCF cyclist). I guess George has finally figured out that "ability to ride a paceline" is not sufficient legal expertise in this case.

I wonder if he is paying for this new representation out-of-pocket or if his yellow friend is chipping in?

Don't think it's surprising that Hincapie would clam up and "go down w/ the ship". If it comes out he's been doped his whole career, it really tarnishes his ability to sell cycling apparel...

I think its very man for himself. The Hincapie/Armstrong dynamic was very different at this years Tour than in previous years. Hincapie to be honest is a bit of dope. He would have just blindly followed Armstrong into a lot of his practices thinking the Boss would take care of everything. Not now. Its each man for himself. I expect Hincapie to say that he doped and how he doped but won’t speak on Lance. But that will be enough to join the dots.

 

[flicker]

I won't say you're wrong because when lawyers get involved one never knows. But, there have been a lot of fish much bigger than LA that went to jail...Lord Conrad Black for one. I think he's going to jail, because it doesn't matter how much 'spin' LA pays for right and wrong, multiple confessions and positive urine test are just that positive for doping.

What I don't understand about LA is why he doesn't come out and say "shucks people everyone was doing it and I am/was just a struggling cancer survivor trying to keep up. I'm real sorry for everything, really." Then he's not lying, not going to jail and can move forward as a post-cancer, post-liar, post-doper confession puppet and sell more books etc... Then again he is probably a sociopath and cannot imagine an angle like that. Forget what I said.

NW

You are exactly right on all counts. A normal litigant would probably cop a plea, but Lance is a sociopath and a psycopath. Exactly why I tease the haters on the forum. The haters feel so scorned and disappointed by the guy. I saw through Lance day 1. For US cycling and world cycling I do not want to much publicity on what happens to him.

 

[flicker]

I think its very man for himself. The Hincapie/Armstrong dynamic was very different at this years Tour than in previous years. Hincapie to be honest is a bit of dope. He would have just blindly followed Armstrong into a lot of his practices thinking the Boss would take care of everything. Not now. Its each man for himself. I expect Hincapie to say that he doped and how he doped but won’t speak on Lance. But that will be enough to join the dots.

Lances lawyers will relay Georges testimony to Georges lawyers. Thus George will be once a gain Lances' boy. As it should be. Amen

 

[Mainerider]

Hincapie has also lawyered up. He can't afford the big guns like Lance.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704476104575439980316939238.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Not true...Wachtell Lipton are HUGE guns. Probably one the biggest and most prestigous law firms in the country, although I always thought their expertise was corporate law, not this kind of stuff. Trust me, his bills won't be small.

 

[thehog]

Not true...Wachtell Lipton are HUGE guns. Probably one the biggest and most prestigous law firms in the country, although I always thought their expertise was corporate law, not this kind of stuff. Trust me, his bills won't be small.

Interesting. I did not know that. So some serious firepower going on to battle little ole Floyd.

 

[uspostal]

If he was innocent you’d expect a defamation case against Landis with a gag order to stop the leaks and lies. Then you’d expect a press conference to assert that the accusations are simply not true. Whilst I understand if you’re the subject of a federal investigation it makes sense to have the appropriate legal advice to deal with the case. Although as far as Armstrong is concerned there is no case. They’re not talking to him.

I would suspect the case has access to bank account information in the US and Europe via Interpol and they’re tracking the flow of money between Armstrong, his management company, Livestrong and other associated companies. They don’t need to talk to the Armstrong to see what donations have been made. They can see all this via the flow of bank information. I would be surprised if they bothered to cover this stuff up. Back in 2002 you’d hardly think that 8 year later Federal Investgators would be sniffing about the UCI.

I don't think LA wants to do this as it may get to court before the Feds case does. He would also have to be deposed by FL lawyers and would give the Feds more testamony under oath to look into.

As far as his new man, He's the one that spun " I didn't have sexual relations with that women," even tho the STAIN was on her dress not to include a BJ. So take that for whats its worth, he sure knows his way around the Washington area. If there's a angle he'll find it and use it to LA 's benefit.

 

[tifosa]

Of course Armstrong will get a top media relations and legal firm to do his bidding. Did you really expect anything else? <<<--- rhetorical, btw.