Lance Is A Thief (If He Doped)

[guilder]

Seems as if the fan boys have split into two groups: the Ostriches and the Rationalizers.

Sadly the haters have only one group all speaking the same language.

 

[guilder]

You're forgetting the SCA Promotions vs. Tailwind arbitration in 2005, which went Lance's way to the tune of $5 million plus lawyers fees. If Lance doped, he defrauded SCA, pure and simple.

Now, supposing Trek, Oakley, Nike and other LA sponsors had similar contract phrasing. These would be an interesting cases, I agree. Lance clearly helped Trek sell bikes. But at the same time, if he doped, Trek would have a right to get its money back if that is how the contract was written. (Again, my assumption is that Trek had contract escape hatches in the event of Lance's proven doping. I don't know this to be true. Just assuming.)

SCA will clearly want its money back. Trek and Nike may not want the hassle of going after Lance.

However, since Nike is a publicly traded company, what if Nike shareholders decided to sue Nike and Lance to get their money back?

The possibility for such civil are endless. This is why Lance will deny, deny, deny till the very end.

I'd love to see SCA lose another chunk those slimey fcks.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Sadly the haters have only one group all speaking the same language.

The language of truth.

 

[flicker]

The language of truth.

So what do you preach to the non- believers in the general public?

 

[sartain]

You're forgetting the SCA Promotions vs. Tailwind arbitration in 2005, which went Lance's way to the tune of $5 million plus lawyers fees. If Lance doped, he defrauded SCA, pure and simple.

Now, supposing Trek, Oakley, Nike and other LA sponsors had similar contract phrasing. These would be an interesting cases, I agree. Lance clearly helped Trek sell bikes. But at the same time, if he doped, Trek would have a right to get its money back if that is how the contract was written. (Again, my assumption is that Trek had contract escape hatches in the event of Lance's proven doping. I don't know this to be true. Just assuming.)

SCA will clearly want its money back. Trek and Nike may not want the hassle of going after Lance.

However, since Nike is a publicly traded company, what if Nike shareholders decided to sue Nike and Lance to get their money back?

The possibility for such civil are endless. This is why Lance will deny, deny, deny till the very end.

I will weight in here with my 2 cents.

Even if LA was caught on tape torturing a kitten with a blow torch, it is highly unlikely in my opinion that Nike wold drop him. You are talking about a company that has shown their hand time and time again with tarnished superstars and how they treat them under its corporate umbrella. The relationship between LA and Nike is about as rock solid as that of TW with Nike. There is no way they do anything, except stand by him.

 

[Benotti69]

I will weight in here with my 2 cents.

Even if LA was caught on tape torturing a kitten with a blow torch, it is highly unlikely in my opinion that Nike wold drop him. You are talking about a company that has shown their hand time and time again with tarnished superstars and how they treat them under its corporate umbrella. The relationship between LA and Nike is about as rock solid as that of TW with Nike. There is no way they do anything, except stand by him.

their relationship is based on whether he can sell 'Noikey' shirts or not. they probably operate on the policy that 99.9% of all publicity is 'good' publicity and if it stops selling shirts they'll stop using him.

TW is different as a golfing career is a long one and his recent publicity was based on what every red blooded yank wants, loads of sex, so they probably enjoyed all the coverage from that.

LA is likely to be in court on a serious charge of fraud, that may or may not sell shirts so whether they drop him or not will be dependent on the marketing angle they want to make from it, either slink out the side door or announce it loudly so the public know that Nickey is against cheating bla blah blah

 

[Tim_sleepless]

I will weight in here with my 2 cents.

Even if LA was caught on tape torturing a kitten with a blow torch, it is highly unlikely in my opinion that Nike wold drop him.

Not when there's a range of Livestrong blowtorches to be sold.

 

[Hugh Januss]

So what do you preach to the non- believers in the general public?

Well in my bike shop, which carries Trek by the way, I don't say too much about it unless I'm asked and then I tell them what I really think.

 

[nayr497]

Seems as if the fan boys have split into two groups: the Ostriches and the Rationalizers. The Ostriches don't want to know anything. The Rationalizers say things like this letter writer did to the New York Times today:

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"Assume for the sake of argument that Lance Armstrong is guilty of systematic doping. Who cares? He has done a lot of good. Armstrong has raised money for cancer research, and stands as an inspiration for many cancer survivors. He will continue to do good unless he falls victim to an inquisition."

Lee Fineman
Burbank, Calif.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/sports/08inbox.html?_r=1
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How do you counter this? Simple. Point out that systematic doping is thievery, plain and simple. If Lance doped, he stole. Period. Millions from SCA. Possible scores of millions more from sponsors (depending on how the contracts were written). You don't even need to get into perjury, possible bribery, conning the cancer community, etc. Keep it simple. Lance stole millions if he doped.

Fraud is an abstract word and allows fanboys to hide in its fog. Stealing, on the other hand, is concrete. Everybody knows what stealing means.

If Lance doped, he stole millions. That's what this Grand Jury investigation is all about.

Wow, I was just finishing up the Sunday NYT yesterday and came across this letter from stupid **** Lee Fineman. What a complete idiot this guy is. I hope he's like 9 years old and not an adult, since I don't grasp how you can just say, "Oh, who cares...he's done a lot of good." Just because you do some good things doesn't erase the bad things you've done (if the dirt finally comes out).

Good post. I'd really like to slap Lee silly and then punch him in the face. And I can't believe his ridiculous letter was included.