Lance Who?

Apr 19, 2010
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OK, so lets pretend Armstrong never existed. Every tour since 1999 was won by an Indurain type character. ie likeable understated etc, but the doping situation remained.

Would the Clinic even exist? Would the same number of anti doping posters exist?
 
Jul 16, 2010
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andy1234 said:
OK, so lets pretend Armstrong never existed. Every tour since 1999 was won by an Indurain type character. ie likeable understated etc, but the doping situation remained.

Would the Clinic even exist? Would the same number of anti doping posters exist?
You've got to try harder than this. The goal of trolling is to be transparent about it.
 
Jul 22, 2009
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Ullrich would be a 5-6 time tdf champ, and certain guys would have a hardone for him.
 
Apr 19, 2010
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Ferminal said:
You're having a go at people who are wanting to see Lance go down (who you seem to despise) but by the same token, you are an equal failure in their eyes (for being supportive of him).

So please don't try and claim the moral high ground.
WTF are you talking about?
Read the question without your assumptions and try again.

I think I'm going to have to create a footer that says "I don't support Armstrong" Would that help?
 
andy1234 said:
WTF are you talking about?
Read the question without your assumptions and try again.

I think I'm going to have to create a footer that says "I don't support Armstrong" Would that help?
You have issues with people and their obsession with regards to Armstrong, otherwise you wouldn't have made the topic.

If you have a problem with their approach, either enter the debate or stay out, don't make useless threads like this.
 
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Ferminal said:
You have issues with people and their obsession with regards to Armstrong, otherwise you wouldn't have made the topic.

If you have a problem with their approach, either enter the debate or stay out, don't make useless threads like this.
Exactly, either enter the debate or move on.
It's a simple question, would the doping problem be so prominent and widely discussed without Armstrongs legacy?
Understood?
 
andy1234 said:
Exactly, either enter the debate or move on.
It's a simple question, would the doping problem be so prominent and widely discussed without Armstrongs legacy?
Understood?
No, it's not a simple question, you're making an obvious troll (i.e. a rhetorical question) which is contentless and has no place being in this forum (which is for the discussion of doping, not personalities of posters).
 
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Ferminal said:
No, it's not a simple question, you're making an obvious troll (i.e. a rhetorical question) which is contentless and has no place being in this forum (which is for the discussion of doping, not personalities of posters).
Whatever, you read into it whatever you want.

Are you a troll?
 
andy1234 said:
Whatever, you read into it whatever you want.

Are you a troll?
No, I'm not at all (yet another stupid question with an obvious answer), and I'm not the one posting a topic in an inappropriate forum.

The answer to your question is obviously no, how stupid would you have to be to think otherwise? You yourself are a clear example of this, your obsession with Lance in The Clinic is top-shelf. I myself, have a mild obsession, and I'd say the majority of posters here have some level of obsession ranging from mild to acute. You have made many posts before on people's approach to Lance, are you obsessed with them? Would you be posting as much if these people who have an obsession of hatred towards Lance didn't post as much?

Can we dump the thread now?
 
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Ferminal said:
No, I'm not at all (yet another stupid question with an obvious answer), and I'm not the one posting a topic in an inappropriate forum.

The answer to your question is obviously no, how stupid would you have to be to think otherwise? You yourself are a clear example of this, your obsession with Lance in The Clinic is top-shelf. I myself, have a mild obsession, and I'd say the majority of posters here have some level of obsession ranging from mild to acute. You have made many posts before on people's approach to Lance, are you obsessed with them? Would you be posting as much if these people who have an obsession of hatred towards Lance didn't post as much?

Can we dump the thread now?
Finally, an answer from you, that wasn't too difficult was it?
Thanks for your time.
 
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The groupies don't like it when people question the myth so they try to paint anyone who does not share their belief in miracles as an irrational hater.
 
In answer to the original question, an Anglophone forum with such an extreme doping discussion forum would probably not exist because America wouldn't give a damn about the sport, but it would probably be replaced by an equally vociferous Germanophone forum going on and on and on about how multiple GT winner Jan Ullrich was or wasn't a doper. This wouldn't register on the consciousness of the English-speaking cycling fans except for those willing to read German forums.
 
Ok so let's play Andy's game for a minute. Would the winner of the TdF's have to be a sociopath like your hero Lance? O could he be a nice guy that just happened to be doped up? Would he be from USA or Spain? Germany? France? Italy? All relevant questions I think.
 
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veganrob said:
Ok so let's play Andy's game for a minute. Would the winner of the TdF's have to be a sociopath like your hero Lance? O could he be a nice guy that just happened to be doped up? Would he be from USA or Spain? Germany? France? Italy? All relevant questions I think.
This question is trolling but i will give an answer for those yet to understand. Personally i dont hate Armsrtong. I actually pity him. I imagine for all his wealth and success he has no friends, but lots of yes people. People who say yes because they are scared to say no and friends are not yes people. Stephanie McIlvain comes to mind to prove my point.

Indurain won the TdF 5 times in a row, first time ever 5 in a row. He was obviously a doper during those tours. He went about his wins in a very quiet dignified manner that meant only the most clued in fans who knew about the workings of the sport guessed he was on something, most likely EPO.

Me i knew something was up when he went past Robert Millar on a Pyrenean Col and made it look so easy, a guy like Indurain passing a climbing specialist like Millar. Nah not possible, something wrong, made me lose interest in cycling for a long while.

So along comes Armstrong and wins his first, the miracle win back from cancer, media attention from the world focused on his win. But then he got cocky and brash. When LeMond doubted that was an eye opener, after that, well he started fighting it to try and paper over that big gaping crack of doubt in the only manner he knew how, bullying, threatening and aggressive tactics with PR and his lawyers. You think people like that. Even a F****r like Hinault never did what Armstrong has done. So why is he disliked? because he is a fraud, a cheat, a bully and all the other names lists that one associates with a sociopath. Were any other TdF winners like that? I dont know of any. Anquetil was not a nice guy. I dont imagine many outside France liked him at the time of his 5th Win. Merckx was not a pleasant guy. But he was respected for achieving what he achieved and not only his TdF wins.

So why is Armstrong so strongly disliked, probably for his greed, for his doping but more for the manner is which he won in that sociopathic way all the while espousing his so called cancer charity in that 'jock' american way. I remember a great one liner about the american sports 'Jocks' spawning on locker room floors. I imagined most cyclists not conforming to this stereotype but Armstrong reeks of it.
 
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Benotti69 said:
This question is trolling but i will give an answer for those yet to understand. Personally i dont hate Armsrtong. I actually pity him. I imagine for all his wealth and success he has no friends, but lots of yes people. People who say yes because they are scared to say no and friends are not yes people. Stephanie McIlvain comes to mind to prove my point.

Indurain won the TdF 5 times in a row, first time ever 5 in a row. He was obviously a doper during those tours. He went about his wins in a very quiet dignified manner that meant only the most clued in fans who knew about the workings of the sport guessed he was on something, most likely EPO.

Me i knew something was up when he went past Robert Millar on a Pyrenean Col and made it look so easy, a guy like Indurain passing a climbing specialist like Millar. Nah not possible, something wrong, made me lose interest in cycling for a long while.

So along comes Armstrong and wins his first, the miracle win back from cancer, media attention from the world focused on his win. But then he got cocky and brash. When LeMond doubted that was an eye opener, after that, well he started fighting it to try and paper over that big gaping crack of doubt in the only manner he knew how, bullying, threatening and aggressive tactics with PR and his lawyers. You think people like that. Even a F****r like Hinault never did what Armstrong has done. So why is he disliked? because he is a fraud, a cheat, a bully and all the other names lists that one associates with a sociopath. Were any other TdF winners like that? I dont know of any. Anquetil was not a nice guy. I dont imagine many outside France liked him at the time of his 5th Win. Merckx was not a pleasant guy. But he was respected for achieving what he achieved and not only his TdF wins.

So why is Armstrong so strongly disliked, probably for his greed, for his doping but more for the manner is which he won in that sociopathic way all the while espousing his so called cancer charity in that 'jock' american way. I remember a great one liner about the american sports 'Jocks' spawning on locker room floors. I imagined most cyclists not conforming to this stereotype but Armstrong reeks of it.
Im glad you got that off your chest.
It doesn't have much to do with my question though.
 
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Race Radio said:
The groupies don't like it when people question the myth so they try to paint anyone who does not share their belief in miracles as an irrational hater.
^^^

This. Thanks!
 
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andy1234 said:
Im glad you got that off your chest.
It doesn't have much to do with my question though.
You question was a troll. I imagine you're stroking some wood right now that this thread has expanded to three pages and managed to rope a few rubes in.
 

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