Lance's Bikes Raise $1.25 million for cancer research

[WonderLance]

Iposted in this other topic but then you all started talking about it here and i want you all to pay attention to what i have to say. Even if you all are wierd haters that just want to bring Him down.

Yeah, all those artists are amazing, espectically that one who did the bike with all the squashed bugs on it.....then there was the yellow and black one; the black and yellow one; the yellow one with and bit of black and the mostly black one with yellow touches.

Did you know that having a bike decorated by a post structualist artist (or by his helpers) can save you 3 minutes in a 50km TT or 20 Watts! That is amazing.

BTW it is great that we are finally having a discussion on contemporary arts relationship with the Mighty Mono Testicaled One cos I was getting really piissed off with all this procycling talk.

 

[dienekes88]

I find this thread unnecessary and unrelated to cycling
Yes- is LA doing it for his LAF-good for him and his pockets-but what makes it a news worth reading for cycling?
FYI there are another Pro cyclists out there doing fantastic Charities without the spectacle or the media fuzz, which only helps to inflate his ego, rather than the cause he claims he's fighting for-but the must regrettable aspect of it is entire event being created around those horrendous bicycles ........

Hahaha. They haven't had 1/10th the success in raising money or "awareness."

If someone's ego gets padded along the way. Who cares?

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Lance was in the top ten for the Forbes list for highest paid athletes for like 5 straight years. The guy does not need the money. Lance could save a child from a burning house and people would still tear him down. Why does Bono raise tons of money for Africa? Why does Opera try to educate African orphans? Why does Peyton Manning donate his time to the United Way? Do they do it only for the publicity? Some people are clouded by hatred.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

My best friend in the world just finished his second round with the Big C. One of my best friends in my industry has been fighting, and winning, his battle with colon cancer. My college roommate, who remained a close friend for over 20 years, died 2 hours ago from Malignant Metastatic Melanoma.

Armstrong's story provides hope to many, at the same time I find it distasteful the way he leverages his followers against anyone who questions his actions. He should not be above scrutiny.

I was going to ask how he leverages his followers, but in reading further replies, my question was answered. I understand some of the criticism in this regard, but I can't help but disagree.

It's my understanding that Nike donates all proceeds to the LAF, while Oakley, and Gyro donate a portion, if not all to the LAF. While it's certainly possible I may have missed something here, if he does collect a paycheck from Livestrong (the brand), not the LAF, I don't see a problem with it. He has taken the cancer initiative and expanded it to encourage people to live healthier lifestyles. As long as the Livestrong brand and the LAF remain seperate entities, I don't criticize.

 

[Sprocket01]

WonderLance,

with respect, we have the trolls on the ropes in this thread but then you have come along with your old act and created a diversion.

Maybe it's time you wound up your act. I'm tired of being associated with you to be honest. It was good at first but everything has its time.

 

[fatandfast]

Lance was in the top ten for the Forbes list for highest paid athletes for like 5 straight years. The guy does not need the money. Lance could save a child from a burning house and people would still tear him down. Why does Bono raise tons of money for Africa? Why does Opera try to educate African orphans? Why does Peyton Manning donate his time to the United Way? Do they do it only for the publicity? Some people are clouded by hatred.

I think you get it. If Lance cured cancer people would say he was so selfish by racing rather then doing more important tasks. He gets paid 6 figures to speak and endorses clothing, bicycles,watches, health products, and has invested lots of money in people and places for them to work in and around Austin. The guy is still completing his litter with only one ball, and seems to be on speaking terms with all of his ex's. He has also written an co-written some well rec'd books and shorts in magazines. I am not a fan but it's all there in black and white. Funny thing about all the cash he keeps as well as gives away,it can never be enough to silence the bitter. His books are written as he is racing,so very few do this. After their lives are mismanaged they come out with a tell all about hookers. EPO and blowing lines after a race. And who can forget all the things that should have been. Donating a million bucks for cancer causes is good, no matter what, now you guys get back to killing the messenger. Lance you can be a tool but you do some good also. Go Gamecocks!

 

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Lance was in the top ten for the Forbes list for highest paid athletes for like 5 straight years. The guy does not need the money. Lance could save a child from a burning house and people would still tear him down. Why does Bono raise tons of money for Africa? Why does Opera try to educate African orphans? Why does Peyton Manning donate his time to the United Way? Do they do it only for the publicity? Some people are clouded by hatred.

I've read some of the guy's twitter this fall and I am appalled at the amount of time he spends traveling for no other reason than the foundation. If it were me, and I had a family at home, I don't think I'd bother with nearly as much as he is taking on in the name of the foundation. Frankly, if I had 1% of the guy's personal fortune I'd tell everyone to **** off.

 

[WonderLance]

WonderLance,

with respect, we have the trolls on the ropes in this thread but then you have come along with your old act and created a diversion.

Maybe it's time you wound up your act. I'm tired of being associated with you to be honest. It was good at first but everything has its time.

NO! Every one must pay attention to us. Surely we can agree on this?

 

[Race Radio]

So you begrudge him the fact that he isn't 100% an altruist? That he hasn't taken a vow of poverty? Hilarious.

Nice strawman, clearly not what I wrote.

OR how about the physicians in doctors without borders? Is it so bad that part of the reason for doing it is that some physicians want to travel?

If Bernard Kouchner suddenly started a brand of Doctors Without Boarders bandages and syringes with a large portion of the profits going into his pocket would people have an issue? Reasonable people would say yes. If MSF spend funds to enhance Kouchner's visibility, which would help his political and commercial aspirations, would this be ethical? I think we can all agree it would not be.

 

[Clemson Cycling]

I think you get it. If Lance cured cancer people would say he was so selfish by racing rather then doing more important tasks. He gets paid 6 figures to speak and endorses clothing, bicycles,watches, health products, and has invested lots of money in people and places for them to work in and around Austin. The guy is still completing his litter with only one ball, and seems to be on speaking terms with all of his ex's. He has also written an co-written some well rec'd books and shorts in magazines. I am not a fan but it's all there in black and white. Funny thing about all the cash he keeps as well as gives away,it can never be enough to silence the bitter. His books are written as he is racing,so very few do this. After their lives are mismanaged they come out with a tell all about hookers. EPO and blowing lines after a race. And who can forget all the things that should have been. Donating a million bucks for cancer causes is good, no matter what, now you guys get back to killing the messenger. Lance you can be a tool but you do some good also. Go Gamecocks!

I think you get it too (The cycling part anyway). This man has done more for the sport outside of Europe then any other cyclist of all time and has done more to fight for the cancer cause then any other person in the world.

 

[53 x 11]

I think you get it too (The cycling part anyway). This man has done more for the sport outside of Europe then any other cyclist of all time and has done more to fight for the cancer cause* then any other person in the world.

*awareness.





(who is so stupid that they need to be more aware of cancer?)

 

[Mellow Velo]

BTW it is great that we are finally having a discussion on contemporary arts relationship with the Mighty Mono Testicaled One cos I was getting really piissed off with all this procycling talk.

LOL. Too funny!

The rest of the thread? Should be condemned to some medical forum, cos it's got sweet FA to do with pro cycling.

Obviously, there are individuals on the forum, who feel left out by all this talk of Cadel Edwards.

 

[Sprocket01]

I think you get it too (The cycling part anyway). This man has done more for the sport outside of Europe then any other cyclist of all time and has done more to fight for the cancer cause then any other person in the world.

Every now and again a special person comes along in the world that can do tremendous good. I'm proud that in this case it's a cyclist.

We can all agree on that.

 

[Sprocket01]

Obviously, there are individuals on the forum, who feel left out by all this talk of Cadel Edwards.

Cadel Edwards is a great cyclist. I hope he goes pro one day.

 

[Hugh Januss]

WonderLance,

with respect, we have the trolls on the ropes in this thread but then you have come along with your old act and created a diversion.

Maybe it's time you wound up your act. I'm tired of being associated with you to be honest. It was good at first but everything has its time.

Uh oh, the voices in BPC's head are beginning to argue.

 

[53 x 11]

WonderLance,

with respect, we have the trolls on the ropes in this thread but then you have come along with your old act and created a diversion.

Maybe it's time you wound up your act. I'm tired of being associated with you to be honest. It was good at first but everything has its time.

Hey Mr Lord o' the Trolls. Why dont you post that garbage in the thread started by another one of your puppets? You know, the one where you were having a fantastic little conversation with yourself..........Oh yeah it got moved into the General section and no one is paying attention to it.

 

[fatandfast]

*awareness.





(who is so stupid that they need to be more aware of cancer?)

Yea you know stupid things like telling single moms not to let their kids eat paint chips. Why bother finding out if the water you are showering in is coming from the drain outlet from the body shop? Why eat low fat foods, when you can have a bag of crisps. It's those other people. Avoiding cancer is all common sense....not. Some guy here in NYC had no health care and had a sore throat for @ a month and a half, he toughed it out and went to work, kept riding his bike. They found he had a tangerine size tumor near his collar bone. They found it because he got in a bicycle crash. Any money Lance or anybody else can raise so people are made more aware is good. I hope when the cell phone tumor data start to roll in you will say " I didn't want to know, I prefer to be unaware".

 

[Race Radio]

Uh oh, the voices in BPC's head are beginning to argue.

There is medication for that.

 

[53 x 11]

. I hope when the cell phone tumor data start to roll in you will say " I didn't want to know, I prefer to be unaware".

Yeah maybe. Its interesting to note that until Pance came to Australia this year and took one million dollars of my States money I had no idea what caused cancer and how it could be treated. I was really stupid and listened to my doctor rather than a PSA sponsored by nike on Greedstrong.com.

I'm glad that I'm now so full of awareness.

 

[53 x 11]

There is medication for that.

That much we can agree on.

 

[Sprocket01]

Er, so getting back to the topic. Armstrong deserves huge praise for doing so much for cancer research today. He is a very good man.

And as RaceRadio reminds us: "Armstrong's story provides hope to many"

Amen.

 

[bianchigirl]

A little anecdote: I was working in a youth centre when the Livestrong bands first started appearing everywhere and thought, OK, here's an opportunity to do some work around self examination, diet, fitness and healthy living as they relate to 'cancer awareness' (whatever that essentially meaningless phrase means). So I started asking kids why they were wearing them - responses were 'because my mates are', 'they're cool', 'it's fashion thing'. Not one had any idea that they were related to a cause, or a person (let alone a cyclist) or 'raising cancer awareness'. You had one because everyone else did. We did far better work visiting a young man who used to frequent our centre and who was in the process of dying of cancer of the spine.

I'm sure Livestrong is a necessity in a country where falling ill, let alone with cancer, is a nightmare. Having a national healthcare system, however imperfect, takes away the necessity to make endless choices based on financial considerations (god love the NHS!). Raising 'awareness' in the sophisticated west, and in countries that have decent healthcare systems, is an easy task because the job has already been done by Government. I'd like to see Livestrong go for the hard markets in the developing world, where suspicion and misinformation about cancer are rife. Oh, I forgot, they're not lucrative enough. And the arrogance and presumption that the US model is always right and necessary - and the laughable assumption that Armstrong has somehow personally and singlehandedly influenced Governments to give more (budgets are set a financial year in advance, announcements of investment that coincide with good PR are just that, made for good PR) makes me quite angry. It seems to me that the good work Livestrong does to support survivors is happening as much despite Armstrong as because of him.

 

[fatandfast]

Yeah maybe. Its interesting to note that until Pance came to Australia this year and took one million dollars of my States money I had no idea what caused cancer and how it could be treated. I was really stupid and listened to my doctor rather than a PSA sponsored by nike on Greedstrong.com.

I'm glad that I'm now so full of awareness.

Did he have a pistol and panty hose over his head? Did he speak with that Texas twang as he was asking for money? Did he ask for a million clams on Livestrong letterhead ? You are lucky it was Pance the guy with one nut, he only left with a mil. We sent George Bush over there and he and Tony Blair made a love sandwich out of your loving Howie. That's where all your money went mate Lance didn't take it. Better tell Jayco to lay off the start money if it makes you guys spin out over it.

 

[karlboss]

Congrats, if the money contributes in the fight against cancer in any way, then its a good thing. Don't care about any selfish motives, would prefer if there weren't any, but really don't care.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

A question, what is on Lances shirts, his jersey, what does he promote?

Livestrong
Not the .com or the .org - just Livestrong.
Where do you end up if you view a foto on twitter, the .com or .org?

Now if all the revenues associated with the for profit .com site were pumped back in to the .org or LAF then it would be a noble effort.

But it is not. The .com is owned by Demand Media - and Lance has "significant equity in Demand Media".

Lance can make as much money as he wants, people are using his name to sell or promote products or events so he is entitled to expect a proper return on that. But I believe there should be a clear distinction from his charity work and that he should not be profiting from his association with cancer.