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Lance's Bikes Raise $1.25 million for cancer research

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Yes, but his tricycle went unsold.

Love him or hate him, raising 1.25 million for cancer research is a tremendous accomplishment. The man is a genius fund raiser and work like that will benefit us all when it comes to cancer research. That said, he didn't sell the tricycle.
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Dr. Maserati said:
A question, what is on Lances shirts, his jersey, what does he promote?

He promotes cancer awareness.....oh, wait. Nope he promotes Nike

The latest Livestrong Jersey

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The nike logo has sold itself long before Lance had any idea he would be a cyclist. The partnership extends the market for Livestrong apparel by virtue of Nike's market reach. They might have their logo on the goods, but they are clearly taking Livestrong along for the ride.
 

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The nike logo has sold itself long before Lance had any idea he would be a cyclist. The partnership extends the market for Livestrong apparel by virtue of Nike's market reach. They might have their logo on the goods, but they are clearly taking Livestrong along for the ride.

Indeed, it's more like Nike are promoting LiveStrong.
 
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Disclaimer: yes, any additional money that goes towards cancer research that wouldn't already towards it is a good thing. BUT, I think a lot of people give Armstrong way too much credit for the cancer cause, instead of the professional public relations firms and agents involved who are the ones that drive the machine. Although it may sound cynical, an athlete with a compelling human interest story is big business, and creates jobs and opportunities for a lot of people. There are hundreds of people involved in creating a marketing brand, targeting fundraising efforts, arranging meetings with politicians, arranging public speaking events, etc. To hear some people talk you'd think Lance is sitting all alone in an Austin office masterminding the entire global cancer fundraising campaign.
 
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Walshworld said:
Love him or hate him, raising 1.25 million for cancer research is a tremendous accomplishment. The man is a genius fund raiser and work like that will benefit us all when it comes to cancer research. That said, he didn't sell the tricycle.
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Once again. It is not going to cancer research, it is going to awareness. Less then 10% of Livestrong's funds go to research.
 

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Kennf1,

but it's Armstrong's incredible story of suffering, battling, survival and then victory that makes it all possible. Without that there is no product for the charity in the first place.
 

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Dominar said:
I am so sick of the negativity on this website that I finally had to register just to say, please do a little research before you spout off: BBB Wise Giving Alliance Report on Armstrong Foundation

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LAF provides grants for cancer survivorship research; grants to community organizations; delivery of cancer survivorship education and support services; and grants to survivorship centers at academic medical institutions. In addition, LAF also focuses on building partnerships with other national organizations and individuals to enlist them in the fight to establish high quality services and policies benefiting those affected by cancer. LIVESTRONG® Young Adult Alliance works to improve the survival rates and quality of life for young adults living with cancer. LIVESTRONG® Survivorship Center of Excellence Network is an initiative to create and maintain a network of survivorship centers that fosters collaboration to increase the impact in cancer survivorship. LAF funds programs initiated at community-centered non-profit organizations and agencies that cover topics such as general cancer survivorship education and support, physical activity, exercise and nutrition for cancer survivors, and pain, palliative and end-of-life care. LIVESTRONG® SurvivorCare provides cancer survivors with information, referrals, case management and patient navigation, allowing them to more effectively identify and address critical cancer-related issues and communicate with their health care team. The program assists cancer survivors in managing the physical, emotional and practical aspects of their cancer experience, including psychosocial support, patient navigation services, and matching to cancer clinical trials.

For the year ended December 31, 2006, LAF's program expenses were:

Public Health 11,098,982
Research 8,035,278
Survivorship 5,872,613
Advocacy 2,972,994
Grants management 671,575
Volunteers 499,752
Total Program Expenses: $29,151,194


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I work with charities as part of my job, and BBB Wise is a reliable reporting service. If you care to look, LAF's tax returns are also available online through Guidestar (another industry service; free registration) and will confirm that LA is one of LAF's 15 directors and receives $0 compensation for his time. Even if he wanted to take $ from the Foundation, it would lose its tax-exempt status if it benefited him personally.

So, by all means, continue your LA-hatefest all you want, but please don't be blind about it and disparage a very worthwhile organization. :mad:

Thanks for posting this.

LA has also seen top senators from both parties about the healthcare bill.
 
Scribe is correct (Sprocket too, though I don't always agree with him), it's Nike taking Livestrong for the ride, not the other way around.

As I admitted before, I worked for several years as a sub contractor for the mighty swoosh in advertising, and never will again. They are as greedy corporate as Wall Street, or Wal Mart for that matter. Many of these big companies were like that, don't get me wrong, but Nike was at the very bottom I dealt with.

None of that probably ever even enters Lance's mind. He's just trying to get Livestrong out there (for reasons being debated, sure).
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
A question, what is on Lances shirts, his jersey, what does he promote?

Livestrong
Not the .com or the .org - just Livestrong.
Where do you end up if you view a foto on twitter, the .com or .org?

Now if all the revenues associated with the for profit .com site were pumped back in to the .org or LAF then it would be a noble effort.

But it is not. The .com is owned by Demand Media - and Lance has "significant equity in Demand Media".

Lance can make as much money as he wants, people are using his name to sell or promote products or events so he is entitled to expect a proper return on that. But I believe there should be a clear distinction from his charity work and that he should not be profiting from his association with cancer.

He is not profiting. This has been documented so many times that you are the only person left on earth who doesn't know it.
 
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He is not profiting. This has been documented so many times that you are the only person left on earth who doesn't know it.

Actually, the doc is on to something there. He has an equity stake in the company that owns the livestrong.com brand, which was purchased from Livestrong foundation (i think). This media group uses the .com brand within a large group of other various websites to sell advertising.

^^^that's the extent of the documentation as the details of the deal were never published. If they were, it would be great if you could link us to it.
 
So much passion!

I think it would be interesting if we try and shift the discussion to why does Lance create such passionate divisions.

He isn't the only doper to win the tdf. He isn't the only liar and fraud. He is the only 7 time tdf winner. He isn't the only American to win. Maybe I am blind but I don't see it too much as an America vs The World issue. He isn't the only one to overcome ridiculous physical obstacles to win. He is the King of Charity, imo, or at least in terms that celebrities call charity, ie, uses his name to promote his 'cause'.

He isn't the only one to viciously back-stab a teammate.

How does he manage to arouse so much ire on one side and fierce loyalty on the other?

There's no racing going on that involves him or a current rival and yet, a mere 'innocent' (innocent enough) side story about auctioning his bikes pegs the emot-o-meter into zone 5a.

I have some thoughts but don't want to send the discussion off in a different direction (yet).
 
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Kennf1 said:
Although it may sound cynical, an athlete with a compelling human interest story is big business, and creates jobs and opportunities for a lot of people. There are hundreds of people involved in creating a marketing brand, targeting fundraising efforts, arranging meetings with politicians, arranging public speaking events, etc.

Ding ding ding ^^winner^^

Lance Armstrong may have had the original vision, but he also had the good sense to bring onboard a number of key advisors and personnel who have, over the years, worked together to raise LAF to a different level than most athlete/celebrity-founded charities will ever attain. The marketing, cross-promotion, sponsorships, etc. that his team has put together is very typical of large "cause" charities --- anyone been noticing all the pink "Susan G. Komen Race for the Cure" gear the NFL players, coaches and refs have been sporting this season? Anyone buy "Newman's Own" spaghetti sauce recently? Those are just a couple of examples. The fundraising field is full of them.

There is nothing wrong with raising awareness. As someone pointed out above, "awareness" in and of itself won't cure cancer, but it may well cause promising young researchers to enter the field or lead to increased funding from larger sources. Watching LA come out of retirement and return to cycling at his age may well inspire others to lead healthier lifestyles, thus lowering the incidence of cancer. I'm sure there are other examples, but you get the idea.

LA and the people advising him are smart enough to realize that LA's "competitive (marketing) advantage" lies in his personal cancer story and his cycling accomplishments. Hate the hype all you want, but it's a very calculated (and rather brilliant, IMO) strategy that was undoubtedly developed by a lot of people other than LA himself.

Yet, the strategy depends on LA's active involvement. He is the "face" of the cause. Given that, and considering the amount of travel, etc. he puts in on a weekly basis, I have no problem with LA drawing a salary or having an equity stake in the for-profit Livestrong merchandizing wing. But I seriously doubt that's where he makes most of his $$ from. Rather, I'd be willing to bet he makes a lot more through endorsements and shrewd investments or partnerships (like the recent commercial real estate project, which may or may not have actually required LA to put up a large monetary stake -- often, those types of deals look for a "face" that they can then use to convince others to invest).

So, continue to hate him as a cyclist, just please leave the silly "he's milking donors for his own benefit" argument alone. I'm sure you all have plenty of other reasons.
 
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i wish i had as much free time as you guys do!

like him or not he's done more positive than negative - i didn't even have the time to read this entire thread!!!

i think the intention of the post was about the good he's done for cancer not bad that you may or may not think he's done(doing) for cycling....?

trollville is alive - you guys crack me up!

so how many pages with this get to? i say 18...
 
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Still $500,000 for the Hirst 'I'll let a bunch of assistants cover a bike with naff butterfly stickers' horror simply proves some people have way more money than sense or style

First, that's dirt-cheap for a Hirst, and he always has his assistants doing the heavy lifting.

Second, they weren't stickers. They were the actual wings of actual butterflies, embedded under the clearcoat on the carbon frame. No, I'm not kidding.

Third, the history of art is littered with "more money than sense or style", and still, the prices only go up, never down, once the "abomination" hits the streets.

Fourth, game-used + Tour-de-France + Champs-Elysees + podium-finisher + Lance Armstrong. It could've been a band-aid and it would have gone for 6 figures.

Fifth, I believe cancer can be cured, and anyone working for that can work out his personal problems in private.
 
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Did he have a pistol and panty hose over his head? Did he speak with that Texas twang as he was asking for money? Did he ask for a million clams on Livestrong letterhead ? You are lucky it was Pance the guy with one nut, he only left with a mil. We sent George Bush over there and he and Tony Blair made a love sandwich out of your loving Howie. That's where all your money went mate Lance didn't take it. Better tell Jayco to lay off the start money if it makes you guys spin out over it.

Ha ha, too funny: and on the money!
 
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He promotes cancer awareness.....oh, wait. Nope he promotes Nike

No, he does both. Why? Because Nike helped him beat his cancer. Not as much as Oakley did, but they helped him get back in the game when his team's sponsors turned their back on him. He owes them, they're his friends. They make all the Livestrong gear. Can't imagine how much good it's done for the foundation to have their manufacturing and marketing skill helping them get the message across at minimal cost.

However, except for Livestrong logo gear, I won't wear Nike. Because they don't deserve a free ride. They only get promoted on my back when they're promoting something themselves.

If in the end that means that all Nike gear carries a Livestrong logo, then I win.
 
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Lance raising money for cancer

I respectfully disagree with what Lance is doing,
I think Lance is doing the human race a disservice by raising all this money for cancer research when the real problem is overpopulation. Curing cancer is only going to make matters worse when it comes to having too many people on the planet. If he would put his effort into solving the overpopulation problem, then he would truly be doing an admirable thing.
 
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I respectfully disagree with what Lance is doing,
I think Lance is doing the human race a disservice by raising all this money for cancer research when the real problem is overpopulation. Curing cancer is only going to make matters worse when it comes to having too many people on the planet. If he would put his effort into solving the overpopulation problem, then he would truly be doing an admirable thing.
I guess you are a big fan of AIDS too.
 

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He is not profiting. This has been documented so many times that you are the only person left on earth who doesn't know it.

No, I am not the only one....

"I haven't made a dime off Livestrong.com. Obviously the .org is the foundation, .com is a subsidiary of Demand Media. Both the foundation and myself have equity in Demand.".......
Lance Armstrong .... interviewJuly 2009
 
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No, I am not the only one....

"I haven't made a dime off Livestrong.com. Obviously the .org is the foundation, .com is a subsidiary of Demand Media. Both the foundation and myself have equity in Demand.".......
Lance Armstrong .... interviewJuly 2009

Armstrong's statement about not making a dime is a lie by omission. Before the financial apocalypse, Demand Media was planning on going public. For that kind of Internet business, the way to cash out is not by having the business make regular payments of earnings to the owners. The way to make money is to go public or sell the company. That Demand media has not paid any money to its owners is irrelevant when the clear plan is to cash out in the future.
 
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Dearilleurt please take your fantasies about 'evil Cofidis who tunred their backs on poor Prancey Wancey in his hour of need' elsewhere. This has been endlessly disproved but still the 'myth' (aka downright lie) persists.

I wonder if that's why I dislike the whole Armstrong shtick so much? The fact that I really can't stand liars.

Oh, and the stickers comment was ironic
 
ImmaculateKadence said:
. . . I'm not what some will call a fanboy, but I really don't understand all this hostility toward him. It seems very unwarranted and totally unjustified. I'm just sayin, not trying to get off topic here. . .

You are relatively new here - stick around and it will become crystal clear(p.s. -
you are considered a fanboy until you exhibit said hostility).
 
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Sprocket01 said:
Kennf1,

but it's Armstrong's incredible story of suffering, battling, survival and then victory that makes it all possible. Without that there is no product for the charity in the first place.

Incredible indeed. Excellent choice of word. Sums up the essence of the LA myth.