Landis ABC Nightline interview

[TopCarbon]

I would not be surprised that there are a couple of threats hanging out there on Landis' head. When you give information in a form of an email or a interview for a newspaper, it is so different then when you are in front of a camera. People can now put a face to the accuser. And, the wsj is not read by everybody, ABC news is as mainstream as it gets. I think Landis is nervous because the content is far reaching.

 

[Realist]

For all the talk of having the freedom to tell the truth, I suspect he is now carrying more guilt around with him than before.

Hey this is your talking point for the day huh? Exact same thing on another thread. Doesn't mesh with what I've seen and heard from Landis over the past 4 years.

 

[joe_papp]

You know, the Lance-huggers are really gonna amp up the name calling after this. I hope Floyd is mentally strong enough to handle it.

Lance's fundamental error was thinking that Landis wasn't mentally strong enough to go through with the nuclear option. Large swaths of the public are buying into this belief, too, without stopping to consider the reality. It's easy to respond to one's own bitter disappointment, anger and sense of betrayal (responses to Lance's being revealed to be an unrepentant doper) with misplaced transfer of all those negative feelings to Landis - especially when one's hero (LA) is carping about how Landis (and LeMond and everyone else)_ are bitter, jealous, losers, failures, mentally-unstable alcoholics.

People do themselves a disservice if they stop with that and don't ask, "well, is floyd really mentally unstable? CAN he handle this?" And of course he can - because nothing is on the line for him except the chance to recapture the sense of being "ok" with himself.

So for Floyd, telling the truth and admitting to the pantheon of doping wrongs brings him release, closure, an unburdening, etc., whereas for Lance it represents the destruction of his entire self-created cynical myth.

There's no strain at all on Floyd in comparison to the last four years' lying. He gets better every day. The opposite though is true for Lance - each day brings him one closer to a final reckoning.

And if he's innocent, he should be thrilled to have the chance to prove it in open court!

 

[petethedrummer]

Lance's fundamental error was thinking that Landis wasn't mentally strong enough to go through with the nuclear option. Large swaths of the public are buying into this belief, too, without stopping to consider the reality. It's easy to respond to one's own bitter disappointment, anger and sense of betrayal (responses to Lance's being revealed to be an unrepentant doper) with misplaced transfer of all those negative feelings to Landis - especially when one's hero (LA) is carping about how Landis (and LeMond and everyone else)_ are bitter, jealous, losers, failures, mentally-unstable alcoholics.

People do themselves a disservice if they stop with that and don't ask, "well, is floyd really mentally unstable? CAN he handle this?" And of course he can - because nothing is on the line for him except the chance to recapture the sense of being "ok" with himself.

So for Floyd, telling the truth and admitting to the pantheon of doping wrongs brings him release, closure, an unburdening, etc., whereas for Lance it represents the destruction of his entire self-created cynical myth.

There's no strain at all on Floyd in comparison to the last four years' lying. He gets better every day. The opposite though is true for Lance - each day brings him one closer to a final reckoning.

And if he's innocent, he should be thrilled to have the chance to prove it in open court!

+1 great Post

 

[Comeback 2011]

It's easy to respond to one's own bitter disappointment, anger and sense of betrayal (responses to Lance's being revealed to be an unrepentant doper) with misplaced transfer of all those negative feelings to Landis!

But that's precisely what Landis is doing by transfering what he did onto Armstrong and others. Instead of standing up and saying "yes, I doped", and allowing others to draw their conclusions about Armstrong, he instead is saying "yes, I doped....but look over there at that other guy who doped who is even more famous than me".

It's classic bait and switch.

His argument is also very confused. He said in a previous interview that he is not ashamed of doping and said this is just what the top cyclists had to do. In this piece he defends Lance Armstrong from the accusation that he is a fraud. So why the hell have you talked to the cops, Floyd!

Joe, when you were caught doping, as far as I know you did not rat out everyone you ever knew. You may later have done that when they busted your website and threatened you with jail time, but nobody threatened Landis with anything. Surely he can talk about his own lying without having to bring down others who he still defends?

It just doesn't make a lot of sense, unless this is all something to do with his debts to the USADA. Maybe he doesn't really know himself.

 

[Comeback 2011]

Lance's fundamental error was thinking that Landis wasn't mentally strong enough to go through with the nuclear option.

Again I think this is the opposite of the truth. Lance's error was to believe Landis WAS strong enough NOT to go through with the nuclear option.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

As far as I can tell, BPC and the rest of the fanboys are mad at Floyd for ratting out Armstrong instead of keeping his mouth shut.

I'm starting to think the reason fanboys like Lance so much is because they share his moral caliber.

Chapeau to Floyd for going public. While I think he was a liar and a cheat, at least now he's making an effort to improve the sport.

 

[TopCarbon]

As far as I can tell, BPC and the rest of the fanboys are mad at Floyd for ratting out Armstrong instead of keeping his mouth shut.

I'm starting to think the reason fanboys like Lance so much is because they share his moral caliber.

+1

or embarresment

 

[sars1981]

Lance's fundamental error was thinking that Landis wasn't mentally strong enough to go through with the nuclear option. Large swaths of the public are buying into this belief, too, without stopping to consider the reality. It's easy to respond to one's own bitter disappointment, anger and sense of betrayal (responses to Lance's being revealed to be an unrepentant doper) with misplaced transfer of all those negative feelings to Landis - especially when one's hero (LA) is carping about how Landis (and LeMond and everyone else)_ are bitter, jealous, losers, failures, mentally-unstable alcoholics.

People do themselves a disservice if they stop with that and don't ask, "well, is floyd really mentally unstable? CAN he handle this?" And of course he can - because nothing is on the line for him except the chance to recapture the sense of being "ok" with himself.

So for Floyd, telling the truth and admitting to the pantheon of doping wrongs brings him release, closure, an unburdening, etc., whereas for Lance it represents the destruction of his entire self-created cynical myth.

There's no strain at all on Floyd in comparison to the last four years' lying. He gets better every day. The opposite though is true for Lance - each day brings him one closer to a final reckoning.

And if he's innocent, he should be thrilled to have the chance to prove it in open court!

Thanks for clarifying that Joe. I'm glad you say it. And yeah the truth is a very powerful thing. I can certainly relate to that.

 

[DirtyWorks]

7-24-10 Content Not Available?

Hulu - "expired" when things generally don't expire for at least a week.
ABC's site - Hangs, nothing plays
Google - Trimmed version with no Betsy Andreu content. That's the part I wanted to see. I think the story gets *much* more compelling with more than one (the one is widely discredited) person telling it.



Can someone on a Windows machine check this link and see if it works? http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-exclusive-floyd-landis-lance-armstrong-11234062

Anyone got a torrent?

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Again I think this is the opposite of the truth. Lance's error was to believe Landis WAS strong enough NOT to go through with the nuclear option.

This kind of statement indicates that Lance worshippers are tethered so tightly to "planet yellow", the side-effect is they show a penchant for twisting their moral compasses into pretzels.

You've inverted what is generally considered a standard moral view on lying and cheating, as well as honesty and truth.

It does not take more strength to lie. This is like saying the 9/11 terrorists were "brave". No, they were cowards, and lying is a fundamental weakness, not strength.

It takes far more effort to be honest and tell the truth, especially when it comes at your own expense, whether financially, legally, or simply as a matter of character.

This is why Lance is essentially doomed. And his tightly clenched fans will be the ones most burned, mostly from standing to close to their "sun".

 

[tockit]

What makes you think the reason he is betraying everyone he's ever known in cycling is in order to make his own lying look not so bad?

I think it's pretty clear he doesn't care about how he looks.
What he seems to care about is breaking omerta wide open.

For Floyd, it's not about Floyd, as near as I can tell.

I totally agree!

What Landis is doing takes guts.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Hulu - "expired" when things generally don't expire for at least a week.
ABC's site - Hangs, nothing plays
Google - Trimmed version with no Betsy Andreu content. That's the part I wanted to see. I think the story gets *much* more compelling with more than one (the one is widely discredited) person telling it.



Can someone on a Windows machine check this link and see if it works? http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-exclusive-floyd-landis-lance-armstrong-11234062

Anyone got a torrent?

This link works. the others on the page have the pther segments of the interview.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/lance-cheat-11241991

 

[sars1981]

Did you see cozy beehive's post earlier in this thread? He posted the full clips on his blog.

(ABC link hangs for me too; it is also only the first 8 minutes)

 

[velosopher54]

Snip... Instead of standing up and saying "yes, I doped", and allowing others to draw their conclusions about Armstrong, he instead is saying "yes, I doped....but look over there at that other guy who doped who is even more famous than me".

It's classic bait and switch. Snip....

His argument is also very confused. He said in a previous interview that he is not ashamed of doping and said this is just what the top cyclists had to do. In this piece he defends Lance Armstrong from the accusation that he is a fraud.

Snip...

First, why are you for omerta? Because LA is ONE of the alleged to have doped according to Landis?

Second, do you really know what bait and switch means? I doubt it.

Third, Landis admitted that LA is a fraud but qualified it by saying every one of the others on the podium was doped as well.

Fourth, how much do you get paid to write such drivel?

 

[offbyone]

I wonder how much money floyd made doing this interview. If he wants to set the record straight, then at least have the class to do it in a courtroom.

 

[Anonymous]

I wonder how much money floyd made doing this interview. If he wants to set the record straight, then at least have the class to do it in a courtroom.

Oh, he will.

 

[reigarc]

In this day and age, how hard is it to find actual hard evidence for LA doping?? like a video, instead of relying on hearsay ???

i for one would like lemon/landis/etc to either find hardcore evidence or STFU

 

[La Vie Claire]

In this day and age, how hard is it to find actual hard evidence for LA doping?? like a video, instead of relying on hearsay ???

i for one would like lemon/landis/etc to either find hardcore evidence or STFU

A video of LA doping? LOL!!! I guess we'll never know then.

Weird how all these new members read from the same script. I guess there's way more believers than haters...

 

[tockit]

In this day and age, how hard is it to find actual hard evidence for LA doping?? like a video, instead of relying on hearsay ???

i for one would like lemon/landis/etc to either find hardcore evidence or STFU

This investigation is in the early stages.

What makes you so sure someone doesn't have incriminating video or other types of hardcore evidence against LA or others ???

 

[scribe]

You think they'll have the grand jury view hardcore videos with Armstrong in them?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

In this day and age, how hard is it to find actual hard evidence for LA doping?? like a video, instead of relying on hearsay ???

i for one would like lemon/landis/etc to either find hardcore evidence or STFU

Video of LA doping? Yeah, it's super easy to find in "this day and age." Apparently, muppets aren't just on Sesame Street. They work for Public Strategies too.

 

[sars1981]

In this day and age, how hard is it to find actual hard evidence for LA doping?? like a video, instead of relying on hearsay ???

i for one would like lemon/landis/etc to either find hardcore evidence or STFU

I have a strong suspicion that even a video would not satisfy your ilk.

 

[slim charles]

Anyone got a torrent?

i found a torrent, i am not sure if it is full version [it is 20 minutes long]. are we allowed to post torrent links? i mean, since that is illegal, i guess.

 

[Ferminal]

i found a torrent, i am not sure if it is full version [it is 20 minutes long]. are we allowed to post torrent links? i mean, since that is illegal, i guess.

No more illegal than links to live race streams.