Landis Attacks Vaughters

[euanli]

And the peak was a result of using a different testing machine? Seeing as the number is way off, it looks like that machine wasn't calibrated properly, which is kinda disturbing.

See I was going to make a new thread on this. I wanted to check the WADA report from last years Tour first though. I cannot fathom why you would not consistently use the same Lab for all the tests as instantly you could get drift in the results.

When things are tested in the wind tunnel you test in the same tunnel every time as the tunnels and measuring equipment will always have different results on the same subject.

 

[hrotha]

Personally I don't really care about what Landis is saying about Wiggins, since his allegations don't seem to be based on anything but Wigans' values and he's no expert. I'm more concerned about Vaughters and US Postal 2.0

 

[Bicicleta]

@Cathwiggins1981

If I was not a straight married female I would propse to Cath Wiggins right now. She rocks!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Oh but I thought Wiggins managed to do so well because of the TTT and Astana soft pedalling? There never seems to be too much constancy when it comes to arguing about Wiggins. That said his performance looks suspicious, but I would describe my suspicion to be runny rather than firm. If he was doping I'd expect an as strong performance getting him into the top 10.

With regards to Landis, I thought his motives were to clear his conscious and to expose the system that got him into doping. Revealing the info he has on Armstrong and USPS, his own doping and the UCI does that. If he was being consistent he wouldn't have criticised the SI article. And here he is attacking Wiggins and Vaughters after Wiggins has made some comments about him a few days prior. If anything it gives his detractors more ammo to fire back at him

Firstly - where did Landis "criticize the SI article"?

Wouldn't part of "exposing the system" be showing the blatant hypocrisy of the comments made by BW (& JV) and how JV has not been sanctioned by USADA?

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Wiggins got fourth in the tour the same way Lance got first. Well maybe not the "same" but it wasn't from Allen Lim's rice cakes. From a nothing GT rider to fourth ?

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

I don't see how any of this puts JV in a bad light. Everyone already knows he doped. He has more or less admitted it in several interviews.
Discussing Bradley's Hb reading with the UCI indicates that he was concerned.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Why is the title of the article 'The Inside Story of Matt White's Firing'?

And the peak was a result of using a different testing machine? Seeing as the number is way off, it looks like that machine wasn't calibrated properly, which is kinda disturbing.

Kind of?

If numbers being this far off as a result of a mis-calibrated machine (perhaps the one LA paid for?) then what faith can be put in any numbers?

And yet, it is these numbers that build out the UCI Bio Passport.... ? No wonder the UCI loses their cases. What a waste.

From any view, it is a botch. Botched UCI for not having IDENTICAL machines.

To the point Landis seems to be making is: JV confessed (anyone have a link), never was sanctioned, and now runs what is slowly being revealed as the next big doping machine under the veil of "cleanliness".

I love the misspelling. Landis is a cad. It is not that he is directly hammering Wiggan, more putting it to Vaughters for not being sanctioned.

 

[luckyboy]

See I was going to make a new thread on this. I wanted to check the WADA report from last years Tour first though. I cannot fathom why you would not consistently use the same Lab for all the tests as instantly you could get drift in the results.

I think the majority of the testing for the Tour is done in Lausanne. The ASO/FCF contracted them. The UCI sorted out the Cologne urine testing.


And yeah, the US Postal V2 comment was interesting.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Are Floyd's 2006 values available?

 

[fatandfast]

more investigation needs to done on Landis's computer expertise and real financial holdings. He has a deep inside knowledge into every team and aspect of cycling. I ma starting to think instead of a new hip he got an xray vision device that allows him to see everything even down to the makeup of Wiggins blood. I think the front of Landis as a penniless,cheat ,bitter liar is all a put on. He is cyclings rainman..Thank you Landis I look forward to more useful information about things you know all about. You probably have a huge avocado farm on a mountain someplace in North County and only fool all the people by living in a dump..you are a wily one Mr.Landis

 

[luckyboy]

Are Floyd's 2006 values available?

His 2005 values had a little spike. LOL at the 2006 HCT.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

I don't see how any of this puts JV in a bad light. Everyone already knows he doped. He has more or less admitted it in several interviews.
Discussing Bradley's Hb reading with the UCI indicates that he was concerned.

It is far more than that, it shows he went looking for "help".


Doing it that way allows for the UCI to <wink wink> cite a poorly calibrated machine <wink wink>. JV then has a plausibly deniable reference in that he can refer to his dialogue with the UCI and claim they "signed off" on the numbers chalking it up to the machine.... Voila, problem solved.

However, when it comes to Landis blood value, which seemed to indicate (and now confirmed as such directly by Landis himself) doping, the machines are calibrated, correct and reliable for prosecution.

Wiggan placing top 5 in a Grand Tour is akin to LA winning 7 in a row, aka, beyond the pale.

 

[euanli]

Firstly - where did Landis "criticize the SI article"?

Got it wrong. It angered him. Says so in the legalise doping article. Surely he should have welcome the article?

 

[gree0232]

Kind of?

If numbers being this far off as a result of a mis-calibrated machine (perhaps the one LA paid for?) then what faith can be put in any numbers?

And yet, it is these numbers that build out the UCI Bio Passport.... ? No wonder the UCI loses their cases. What a waste.

From any view, it is a botch. Botched UCI for not having IDENTICAL machines.

To the point Landis seems to be making is: JV confessed (anyone have a link), never was sanctioned, and now runs what is slowly being revealed as the next big doping machine under the veil of "cleanliness".

I love the misspelling. Landis is a cad. It is not that he is directly hammering Wiggan, more putting it to Vaughters for not being sanctioned.

Yeah, the ONLY difference is that JV did not run around accussing the entire cycling profession of doping and blaming everyone but himself for his decisions.

Two other relevant bits:

1. Statute of limitations - there is a point at which people are no longer prosecuted for these things.

And, had Landis just taken his rap, done his time and come back like others rather than engaging in rampant sepculation - he'd be riding his bike again to.

2. Zabel, Riis ring any bells? These admissions should help put allegations of JV in PROPER perspective.

And running around accussing literally ANYONE else riding of doping in no way exonerates or excuses what Floyd did.

At this point it is the ultimate fulfillment of rationalization, "I did it because I had to compete!"

Wrong Floyd, you did it because you chose to .... and you got caught.

Enough with the scarlet 'R'.

 

[scribe]

http://www.versus.com/blogs/the-experts-opinion/the-inside-story-of-matt-whites-firing/

Looks like Landis is now going after Vaughters and Wiggins. Calling for Vaughters to be suspended from cycling and claiming Wiggins' 2009 TDF blood profile is similar to his in 2006. I'm starting to be a bit confused what Landis' priorities are now.

There must be money in there somewhere.

 

[Benotti69]

Yeah, the ONLY difference is that JV did not run around accussing the entire cycling profession of doping and blaming everyone but himself for his decisions.

Two other relevant bits:

1. Statute of limitations - there is a point at which people are no longer prosecuted for these things.

And, had Landis just taken his rap, done his time and come back like others rather than engaging in rampant sepculation - he'd be riding his bike again to.

2. Zabel, Riis ring any bells? These admissions should help put allegations of JV in PROPER perspective.

And running around accussing literally ANYONE else riding of doping in no way exonerates or excuses what Floyd did.

At this point it is the ultimate fulfillment of rationalization, "I did it because I had to compete!"

Wrong Floyd, you did it because you chose to .... and you got caught.

Enough with the scarlet 'R'.

Wiggins isn't anyone, he got a 4th from nowhere

 

[veganrob]

Wiggins is an idiot and had it coming. He took the first shot at Floyd and now people are appalled. Oh my goodness. If indeed Team Sky is a "clean" team it should be another banner year for Bradley. hah

 

[thehog]

Masterstroke by Floyd.

Whereas Lance will always deny Vaughters cannot any longer. There's been the vailed eluding to doping but nothing hard & fast. Now what will JV my good friend say? It didnt happen? I didn't dope? Nothing happened at USPS? It's in the past?

or

No comment?


Your move JV.

 

[gree0232]

Wiggins is an idiot and had it coming. He took the first shot at Floyd and now people are appalled. Oh my goodness. If indeed Team Sky is a "clean" team it should be another banner year for Bradley. hah

Yes, because when the nominal trash talk of sports occurs, the best thing to do is accusse anyone who criticizes you of partaking in a vast criminal conspiracy and being doped to the hilt.

Makes perfect sense:

"Floyd seems a bit batty?"

"Yeah, well, you are sleeping with Pat McQuaid, conspiratorially smuggling and using drugs, and being protected by the cycling maphia!"

You know, he could have just said, "Wiggins is a jerk."

Of course, I am sure I will now be held liable for paraphrasing rather than directly quoting Landis.

 

[gree0232]

Masterstroke by Floyd.

Whereas Lance will always deny Vaughters cannot any longer. There's been the vailed eluding to doping but nothing hard & fast. Now what will JV my good friend say? It didnt happen? I didn't dope? Nothing happened at USPS? It's in the past?

or

No comment?


Your move JV.

Eventually, people just started ignoring McCarthy as well.

Well played JV.

 

[fatandfast]

Masterstroke by Floyd.

Whereas Lance will always deny Vaughters cannot any longer. There's been the vailed eluding to doping but nothing hard & fast. Now what will JV my good friend say? It didnt happen? I didn't dope? Nothing happened at USPS.

or

No comment?


Your move JV.

many readers and posters here are from Australia and Europe..they have much different court systems. Saying no comment in the US is not any kind of admission. The inverse Vaughters fighting not to be pulled into promoting Landis is important. No comment will allow the least amount of money to change hands for everybody involved. If JV starts answering all kind of Landis verbal discharge it will only distract him from the lob at hand which is the start of a good season which has already started with a win. The sooner things Landis say are ignored the better cycling will be. If I had a pro squad I would have a no communication clause..so much as a tweet between cancerous Landis and anybody and you are fired.Most directors would rather have a rider lunch w Ferrari than any contact with the fallen one

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Masterstroke by Floyd.

Whereas Lance will always deny Vaughters cannot any longer. There's been the vailed eluding to doping but nothing hard & fast. Now what will JV my good friend say? It didnt happen? I didn't dope? Nothing happened at USPS? It's in the past?

or

No comment?


Your move JV.

The best, and perhaps only, move JV can make is to withhold comment, citing an ongoing Federal investigation into the matter.

Classic redirect. "Now, back to Lance at the newsdesk...."

 

[ansimi]

I'm confused by that article. Did Landis write those things to Versus or did he write them somewhere else and Versus is quoting him and applying their journalistic practices to his statements? I don't trust anything Versus has to say about cycling.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Got it wrong. It angered him. Says so in the legalise doping article. Surely he should have welcome the article?

Not quite, the article said he was angered by the SI piece - but there was nothing in his quoted comments to suggest this.
He appeared a lot more 'angered' at Wiggans comments and those "that point fingers".

Until yesterday Landis was willing to walk away from the sport, however the Sports Illustrated article which appeared Tuesday has angered him. Despite this and the days Landis said he spent soul searching before making his retirement announcement, the American believes that whatever the outcome, he leaves with a clear conscience.

"Maybe I just want to be able to live with myself," he told Cyclingnews.

"The people pointing fingers could take a lesson from that. The sport wanted a fall guy and they got it. I didn't want to be that guy but I finally accepted that I am that guy and admitted everything and now they say I'm lying again. It doesn't matter anymore. I'm happy now. I've got my pride. I don't care about anything else."

 

[flicker]

Wiggins got fourth in the tour the same way Lance got first. Well maybe not the "same" but it wasn't from Allen Lim's rice cakes. From a nothing GT rider to fourth ?

Wiggins is a disciplined World Class pursuit rider. People in that discipline can move on to climbing TT etc. Wiggins is not a "nothing rider"

Always a class act even if you don't like his mod attire.