Landis - repaying his debt - collecting NOW for a good cause?

[Dear Wiggo]

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So Landis has escaped any punishment for his enormous deceitful scam:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/aug/26/cycling-floyd-landis-lawsuit-san-diego-restitution/

......and I expect he is now hoping to pocket enough millions from his Qui Tam suit to cover his remaining debt and give him a tidy retirement fund.

Personally, if there is any justice in this world, I feel Landis should be left as penniless as Armstrong.

probably just as well you are not in charge of the justice system then...

Hear hear. Some warped sense of justice going on there.

 

[wendybnt]

So Landis has escaped any punishment for his enormous deceitful scam:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/aug/26/cycling-floyd-landis-lawsuit-san-diego-restitution/

......and I expect he is now hoping to pocket enough millions from his Qui Tam suit to cover his remaining debt and give him a tidy retirement fund.

Personally, if there is any justice in this world, I feel Landis should be left as penniless as Armstrong.

probably just as well you are not in charge of the justice system then...

I take it you disagree

Do you think Landis is a repentant doper, and do you think he revealed Armstrong's doping for some sort of moral reason, rather than bitterness and a desire for revenge?

Personally, I view Landis, Armstrong, Hamilton, Millar etc as all part of the same bag.

 

[IndianCyclist]

All the cyclists have the same mentality while active.
Out of sight, out of mind
If it is not banned, it is allowed.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
The Three Monkeys
However
If u have nothing to lose then take revenge
No money then reveal all by publishing books/Interviews to earn some

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

So Landis has escaped any punishment for his enormous deceitful scam:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/aug/26/cycling-floyd-landis-lawsuit-san-diego-restitution/

......and I expect he is now hoping to pocket enough millions from his Qui Tam suit to cover his remaining debt and give him a tidy retirement fund.

Personally, if there is any justice in this world, I feel Landis should be left as penniless as Armstrong.

probably just as well you are not in charge of the justice system then...

I take it you disagree

Do you think Landis is a repentant doper, and do you think he revealed Armstrong's doping for some sort of moral reason, rather than bitterness and a desire for revenge?

Personally, I view Landis, Armstrong, Hamilton, Millar etc as all part of the same bag.

To view Landis, Armstrong, Hamilton, Millar as all similar is pretty myopic.

Landis and Hamilton at least told their full stories. Armstrong and Millar wont.

Landis will get what he deserves. He took on pro cycling and brought about the downfall of Hein, McQuaid, Armstrong, Bruyneel and some others. For that he deserves to be rewarded. I dont care whether it was revenge. He did it and that is more than any other.

 

[wendybnt]

Oh well....I suppose Landis did give us some laughs along the way, unlike the simpering Tyler Hamilton and the vain (but very beautiful in the flesh) David Millar.

 

[gillan1969]

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So Landis has escaped any punishment for his enormous deceitful scam:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/aug/26/cycling-floyd-landis-lawsuit-san-diego-restitution/

......and I expect he is now hoping to pocket enough millions from his Qui Tam suit to cover his remaining debt and give him a tidy retirement fund.

Personally, if there is any justice in this world, I feel Landis should be left as penniless as Armstrong.

probably just as well you are not in charge of the justice system then...

I take it you disagree

Do you think Landis is a repentant doper, and do you think he revealed Armstrong's doping for some sort of moral reason, rather than bitterness and a desire for revenge?

Personally, I view Landis, Armstrong, Hamilton, Millar etc as all part of the same bag.

justice systems have long acknowledged that the greater good can sometimes be served by some legal or logical inconsistency...it is the truth that justice should ultimately seek..i don't think many could argue that the greater good was not served by Landis coming clean...and freedom might just be another word for nothing left to lose...I'll not burst into song...but to reach that freedom Landis had to overcome these very strong emotional ties to what life as pro cyclist means...you saw that through the vilification he got from a lot of his peers....

in terms of repentance I don't really care one way or the other..not doping was the exception rather than the rule and i don't think anyone who has not had to make that choice can know what road they would follow...statistically,they would have doped...

 

[Benotti69]

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Oh well....I suppose Landis did give us some laughs along the way, unlike the simpering Tyler Hamilton and the vain (but very beautiful in the flesh) David Millar.

That you David?

 

[wendybnt]

If Landis pockets a handful from the Qui Tam, then he will still be profiting from doping, both his doping (because it is what led to the QT case) and Armstrong's doping. This doesn't sit right with me. All the more so because whilst the Armstrong downfall might be the comfort blanket for those who want to believe in the possibility of clean professional sport (I don't, btw) doping didn't start with Armstrong and it I don't believe it has stopped after his exposure as a cheat.

Landis getting money= a cheat prospering off the back of another cheat.

Just my opinion.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Only a fool would think the formula for professional sport is anything but

Anyone getting money == cheats prospering from other cheats

 

[wendybnt]

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Oh well....I suppose Landis did give us some laughs along the way, unlike the simpering Tyler Hamilton and the vain (but very beautiful in the flesh) David Millar.

That you David?

That would be about right for him.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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So Landis has escaped any punishment for his enormous deceitful scam:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/aug/26/cycling-floyd-landis-lawsuit-san-diego-restitution/

......and I expect he is now hoping to pocket enough millions from his Qui Tam suit to cover his remaining debt and give him a tidy retirement fund.

Personally, if there is any justice in this world, I feel Landis should be left as penniless as Armstrong.

probably just as well you are not in charge of the justice system then...

I take it you disagree

Do you think Landis is a repentant doper, and do you think he revealed Armstrong's doping for some sort of moral reason, rather than bitterness and a desire for revenge?

Personally, I view Landis, Armstrong, Hamilton, Millar etc as all part of the same bag.

There are old bags everywhere.

Landis paid his dues to all of this.

 

[Alpe73]

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. . .Don't people like Bassons, and the many unnamed cyclists financially hurt by the dopers, deserve this money much more? Even though I would like Landis to succeed in life.

I agree - but Bassons and the others don't have a target to aim at, and how could you possibly aid them? Maybe an annual grant/prize/award to some suffering person who spoke out? That would be pretty hard to manage. I like your idea, I don't know how to make something like that happen.

If those who donated go on record and still feel cheated and want their money back, I'll donate to reimburse THEM. Not at random all people studid enough to do so. It's been omerta tuition money well spent.
Also, I want Landis to not them go ahead and make a huge book/film/nascar deal, live the rich life, and me still being broke.

Totally agree.

I think it would raise many eyebrows if Floyd did this. Other people are of course free to do whatever they want if they're willing to help, although personally I think this is something Floyd needs to do on his own.

I don't think he has a prayer of doing it on his own. He'll need help. He'd better get with Kimmage and co-author another book.

Again, totally agree. I don't think Floyd COULD do this himself at this point. If he did, it wouldn't get any traction, I would think. Cry wolf, you know?

Absolutely not!

You can't get much lower than taking folks for $450K--yes, defrauding them--after you've already cheated. And then what about the whole hacking thing? Cheating on top of cheating on top of cheating. Really and truly!

This guy still strikes me as devious, skew, and still very much an arrogant smartass, even if he came clean. He hasn't changed that much, just saying carefully calibrated things to gullible observers of his character ("sweet" things they dearly, dearly want to hear about high-level corruption), yet still as foulmouthed as they come. Talk'in the talk.

He still needs to learn that he has to "pay": no more free passes. Not one cent. Otherwise, it's just more of the "doping" mindset writ large for him: free passes and shortcuts and easy ways out. It's all of piece. He'll never learn.
The suggestion to raise money for him is truly ludicrous.

All in favour of helping folks in need and welcoming ex dopers like Miller, Dekker, etc., but I just don't believe this guy has changed much when he goes on TV, doing his best boy scout impression. Smartass before and still one. Sure he's come clean, but the guy's not changed. Giving this guy more money would be like recommending Bernie Madoff work for an accounting association as a role model and mentor.

(And hell no: I'm no supporter of Armstrong; this has nothing to do with him or the veracity of Floyd's comments about doping, the corrupt system, and the UCI etc.)

Would you like to tell us how you REALLY feel?
I'm not surprised that a person could feel this way, not at all. However, I still believe his Mennonite upbringing is inside there somewhere. A lot of the ways he has acted have roots in that environment. Somebody told me once we always model our behaviour based on our parents. We choose, either to act LIKE them, or NOT act like them. It takes strong character traits to break out of a strong home environment. And such don't necessarily include being a good listener. That would mean that once he started acting dishonestly, his ability to do it would be hampered, and his ability to judge how far to go would also be warped.

He demonstrated poor judgement. He got snapped - consequences have happened to him, and happened, and happened again. It seems to me that he indicates real remorse - and that he has done the true thing in his apologies. Being that an HONEST apology is one that leads to a change in behavior. Anything else is just talk and kissing up. He has done more than talk and kiss up. He has taken responsibility for this judgement, and said he will pay the people back.

So, I understand how you feel, and what you base your thinking on. I don't happen to agree. Nae problemo!

"He demonstrated poor judgement."

Best euphemism for doping, cheating, lying, blackmailing and defrauding ... I've ever seen!

 

[42x16ss]

I wouldn't chip in to repay what was taken by the FFF, but I'd happily help with his legal fees for the Qui Tam case on the sole condition that any payout goes to all the private donors to the FFF first (Weisel and Tailwind can get F$%Ked though )

Whatever the motives were, by blowing the whistle Landis has made a difference on some levels.

 

[MarkvW]

I miss Dr. Maserati right about now. I'm sure he and I would be squabbling over Floyd's rightful moral position in the Universe.

 

[D-Queued]

Floyd and Lance were neatly summed up in Lance's advice on the run in to Le Grand-Bornand.

"Run like you stole something, Floyd."

Something, we have learned since, they both understood very well.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

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I miss Dr. Maserati right about now. I'm sure he and I would be squabbling over Floyd's rightful moral position in the Universe.

Possibly. But one must shake their collectives heads at all. Whilst we read the headline "Qui Tam, Landis to collect a potential $10m" reality is that it's been almost 6 years since the suit was filed and there's been nothing. Since that time a lot or money has been spent and more stressed has been spilt. I doubt whether it was all worth it.

In the mean time the Garmin good dopers have been cleaning up with Tommy Ds swingers sports camps and CVV on CBS along with Hincapie Sports Apparel & Levi fondos.

Juxtaposition and all that... I guess we don't hold he same outrage at the rest of the USPS dopers?

Food for thought.

 

[Alpe73]

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I miss Dr. Maserati right about now. I'm sure he and I would be squabbling over Floyd's rightful moral position in the Universe.

Possibly. But one must shake their collectives heads at all. Whilst we read the headline "Qui Tam, Landis to collect a potential $10m" reality is that it's been almost 6 years since the suit was filed and there's been nothing. Since that time a lot or money has been spent and more stressed has been spilt. I doubt whether it was all worth it.

In the mean time the Garmin good dopers have been cleaning up with Tommy Ds swingers sports camps and CVV on CBS along with Hincapie Sports Apparel & Levi fondos.

Juxtaposition and all that... I guess we don't hold he same outrage at the rest of the USPS do

Food for thought.

Welcome back, Hog.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Irrespective of his motivation, FLandis gave the sport what well might be its last best opportunity to reclaim its soul. If the UCI fails to capitalise on that chance, if it snatches defeat from the jaws of victory -- which as hog notes it does appear to be in the process of doing -- then that's on them.

 

[thehog]

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Irrespective of his motivation, FLandis gave the sport what well might be its last best opportunity to reclaim its soul. If the UCI fails to capitalise on that chance, if it snatches defeat from the jaws of victory -- which as hog notes it does appear to be in the process of doing -- then that's on them.

Correct and the point being is if Landis does ever collect he collects from Armstrong. That provides opportunity to restitution for FFF doners. He's not taking money from tax payers.

The Good Garmin dopers (GGD) have been "collecting" from the common man for their part in the most sophiscated doping conspiracy in history. And they still continue to collect selling all sorts of sham materials.

 

[wendybnt]

With all this talk of "cycling regaining its soul", can somebody remind me exactly when it was that cycling lost its soul? When it was that TdF riders didn't take drugs?

 

[thehog]

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With all this talk of "cycling regaining its soul", can somebody remind me exactly when it was that cycling lost its soul? When it was that TdF riders didn't take drugs?

Exactly. There is no soul to save!

Hilarious. I'm sure sweaky clean Froome will save the soul it doesn't have.

 

[wendybnt]

Well he does want to be a spokesman for the current clean generation

(Does that generation include Contador, Valverde, Basso, and all the other reformed ex-dopers?)

 

[MarkvW]

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With all this talk of "cycling regaining its soul", can somebody remind me exactly when it was that cycling lost its soul? When it was that TdF riders didn't take drugs?

Cycling has always had a soul! Only problem is that soul is so foul that people have trouble looking directly at it.

 

[thehog]

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Well he does want to be a spokesman for the current clean generation

(Does that generation include Contador, Valverde, Basso, and all the other reformed ex-dopers?)

Self-appointed.

 

[wendybnt]

Yes, but I'm sure all the people I mentioned in my previous post are delighted that he, rather than they, is having to appoint himself as the spokesperson for the clean generation