Lanky Poels? What do we know about him?

[thehog]

Marginal gains? Altitude training? colour coded water bottles? Classics rider, GT rider? Training with the Dawg?

#LBL & @WoutPoels

2009 DNS
2010 DNS
2011 DNF
2012 76th
2013 DNS
2014 80th
2015 DNS
2016 WINNER

 

[BigMac]

Only one DNF, plenty of DNSs. Those two years where he finished between 75th and 80th could have just been bad days/slaving for the leaders. Not many conclusions to take from that list.

Better to judge him based on his racing coming here. He had just been 4th in Flèche and was 12th last year at Lombardia. He is not a donkey on this terrain, there's been progression.

 

[hrotha]

You shouldn't try to spin this as "another nobody that Sky turned into a champion", as I've seen some folks do over Twitter. That would just expose both your bias and your ignorance.

 

[thehog]

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You shouldn't try to spin this as "another nobody that Sky turned into a champion", as I've seen some folks do over Twitter. That would just expose both your bias and your ignorance.

What spin? It's a discussion forum, let's discuss Poels!

No need to be so sensitive.

 

[hrotha]

No need to be so disingenuous either. You're transparent.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Come on hog, you watched the 2011 Vuelta, because it's where the Chris Froome show began. Poels beat him on Angliru

 

[Benotti69]

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Come on hog, you watched the 2011 Vuelta, because it's where the Chris Froome show began. Poels beat him on Angliru

and what has Poels done since?

 

[saganftw]

when you have such extreme conditions in a race,drawing conclusions from results is guesswork

 

[WillemS]

Marginal gains? Altitude training? colour coded water bottles? Classics rider, GT rider? Training with the Dawg?

#LBL & @WoutPoels

2009 DNS
2010 DNS
2011 DNF
2012 76th
2013 DNS
2014 80th
2015 DNS
2016 WINNER

Let me extent that list for you:
2001 DNS
2002 DNS
2003 DNS
...

I think this is thehog disqualifying himself from ever being taken seriously again in any thread.

 

[BigMac]

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Come on hog, you watched the 2011 Vuelta, because it's where the Chris Froome show began. Poels beat him on Angliru

and what has Poels done since?

Was that sarcastic? I mean, sarcastic-sarcastic? Because it's not like he's done nothing.

http://www.procyclingstats.com/rider.php?id=140343

 

[WillemS]

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Come on hog, you watched the 2011 Vuelta, because it's where the Chris Froome show began. Poels beat him on Angliru

and what has Poels done since?

Recovering from a nasty crash in the '12 TdF that resulted in a lot of nasty internal organ damage.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Come on hog, you watched the 2011 Vuelta, because it's where the Chris Froome show began. Poels beat him on Angliru

and what has Poels done since?

Recovering from a nasty crash in the '12 TdF that resulted in a lot of nasty internal organ damage.

According to BigMac Poels is Monument winner material but I don't see any previous Monument podiums or classic podiums.

 

[BigMac]

Re: Re:

Come on hog, you watched the 2011 Vuelta, because it's where the Chris Froome show began. Poels beat him on Angliru

and what has Poels done since?

Recovering from a nasty crash in the '12 TdF that resulted in a lot of nasty internal organ damage.

According to BigMac Poels is Monument winner material but I don't see any previous Monument podiums or classic podiums.

That's just ignoring all the nuances involved... Monuments are not necessarily ridden harder than other races just because they are Monuments. Poels has shown to be world class on hilly races raced much harder and against as fierce opposition as today. This hasn't come out of the blue if you bother to take a look at his results. I'm not saying he did it on bread and water, but the basis of the current accusation is just silly.

 

[sniper]

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Surely though the hypothesis that "Sky win because they simply buy the best riders" doesn't stand up to scrutiny here.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Come on hog, you watched the 2011 Vuelta, because it's where the Chris Froome show began. Poels beat him on Angliru

and what has Poels done since?

Recovering from a nasty crash in the '12 TdF that resulted in a lot of nasty internal organ damage.

According to BigMac Poels is Monument winner material but I don't see any previous Monument podiums or classic podiums.

That's just ignoring all the nuances involved... Monuments are not necessarily ridden harder than other races just because they are Monuments. Poels has shown to be world class on hilly races raced much harder and against as fierce opposition as today. This hasn't come out of the blue if you bother to take a look at his results. I'm not saying he did it on bread and water, but the basis of the current accusation is just silly.

World class? Really where are the world class wins then?

Di Luca winner 2007 in 6h37 mn, Poels 6h24 mn. Toady's weather was appalling to ride in but Poels did it faster than Di Luca super juicer.

 

[hrotha]

That line of reasoning is simply stupid.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Re: Re:

Come on hog, you watched the 2011 Vuelta, because it's where the Chris Froome show began. Poels beat him on Angliru

and what has Poels done since?

Super potential. Lots of top-10s in weeklong stage races (l'Ain, Vasco, Tirreno).

Always been on dodgy teams.

Seems like the perfect Sky rider. Always close to the fire, but never burned.

 

[Benotti69]

Do people really believe Poels won LBL clean? Really.

 

[BigMac]

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Nevermind that the 2007 route was longer to begin with and that today's was shortened on top of it. Also, this isn't a time trial - have you considered that it may have been caused by a higher tempo in the peloton? Comparing race times is not like comparing times up a particular climb.

 

[hrotha]

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Do people really believe Poels won LBL clean? Really.

No, not really. That doesn't make every single argument that he dopes valid.

 

[Benotti69]

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Nevermind that the 2007 route was longer to begin with and that today's was shortened on top of it. Also, this isn't a time trial - have you considered that it may have been caused by a higher tempo in the peloton? Comparing race times is not like comparing times up a particular climb.

Well JV and Walsh told us that everything had changed because speeds were down!

 

[BigMac]

Yeah, I'm done.

 

[WillemS]

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Do people really believe Poels won LBL clean? Really.

I don't think so. At least, I don't hope so.

This thread is just hilariously bad. As a comedy thread this thing is fine, maybe a bit below par, but don't expect us to take it seriously when the opening post is nothing but flat-out trolling. If this is meant as a well-thought out addition to a discussion on doping and a serious accusation, then it's one big fail.

 

[Benotti69]

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Do people really believe Poels won LBL clean? Really.

No, not really. That doesn't make every single argument that he dopes valid.

Poels wins a monument, never podium a classic never mind a monument and posters think a thread for Poels is OTT.

Posters are making comments about it. Fair game. He has shown some pretty decent ride ability. But i bet his odds were not short.

 

[WillemS]

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Do people really believe Poels won LBL clean? Really.

No, not really. That doesn't make every single argument that he dopes valid.

This.

There's almost nothing worse in a debate then someone failing hard in defending a position you actually agree with, giving the opponents an easy way in. This must be one of the worst arguments for doping I've ever seen.