Last 3 WT spots

[Richeypen]

You don't like Voeckler? Why? Im interested because if you don't like him there might be a reason why I shouldn't like him.

He is not well liked throughout the peleton. Flecha seemed to be more ****ed off at him than the driver after his crash during le tour.

One of the most exciting riders to watch though. Its an odd one though, voted him as my favorite rider in the poll at the start of the year but have now gone off him a lot. Would love to believe his performances in July but brain wont let me do it.

 

[El Pistolero]

Thats UCI ranking though right? It doesnt count all those victories Voeckler won?



You don't like Voeckler? Why? Im interested because if you don't like him there might be a reason why I shouldn't like him.

Not a lot of people in the peloton like Voeckler. He's an attention ***** and a jerk.

 

[The Hitch]

He is not well liked throughout the peleton. Flecha seemed to be more ****ed off at him than the driver after his crash during le tour.

One of the most exciting riders to watch though. Its an odd one though, voted him as my favorite rider in the poll at the start of the year but have now gone off him a lot. Would love to believe his performances in July but brain wont let me do it.

Why was Flecha ****ed off at Voeckler? There were 2 other riders who carried on, besides its not like if they waited Flecha nor Hoogie could have gotten back on.

Not a lot of people in the peloton like Voeckler. He's an attention ***** and a jerk.

Hes attention seeking? Explain.

 

[daveinzambia]

Why was Flecha ****ed off at Voeckler? There were 2 other riders who carried on, besides its not like if they waited Flecha nor Hoogie could have gotten back on.



Hes attention seeking? Explain.

I do remember Flecha being annoyed at Voeckler and the way he rode that day but think it was more than just the accident. he had been winding him up all day i reckon. And Flecha is a guy that is generally quite hard to wind up

he is attention seeking, but is that not part of his job.

from a distance i have to say he comes across as arrogant (may just be because of that strange pouty face he pulls when he is struggling) and self serving and as a result does not have many fans amongst other riders but frankly even before he last tour i liked him, and after watching his efforts this year i liked him even more.

he stood by his team this time last year when it became clear that it would fold without him and road with what many criticise as a weak team last year as a result.

Looking forward to watching many more doomed attacks next year

 

[Luke Schmid]

I am really surprised that people are putting Europcar ahead of FDJ or AG2R, I think FDJ and AG2R are simply much stronger overall.

 

[Havetts]

Why was Flecha ****ed off at Voeckler? There were 2 other riders who carried on, besides its not like if they waited Flecha nor Hoogie could have gotten back on.

Hes attention seeking? Explain.

In short: hes an act.

Voeckler always acts whenever he gets on TV or there is camera nearby. For once I do dislike him because in my opinion you shouldnt be screwing others over if they got in a bad position. For example when Flecha & Hoogerland were taken out by a car, you see Voeckler look back and accelerate.

LLS actually didn't want to ride on cause its kind of respectless to accelerate when someone gets taken out like that, but because Voeckler felt the need to be a hero for the French he accelerated and wanted the Yellow Yersey. And the horrible crash the actual reason Voeckler got yellow, the peloton definatly decellerated (sp?) because of the crash.

As for the acting, look at the stage L'Alpe D'Huez when Contador and Schleck rode away with Voeckler chasing, he spent half the mountain being stupid and swearing and shouting at himself, his teammates who did a great job of helping him and throwing water bottles. Why does someone need to put up a show like that? And also on the L'Alpe D'Huez, you saw him act so bad whenever the camera was pointed at him, its ridiculous. He also got very mad at the Dutch crowd in corner 7 which were mad at Voeckler cause he rode on when the car accident happened.

As for screwing over other people for his own success or not granting others success. Look at the stage from this year's Dauphine to La Toussuire. Pinot and Voeckler are riding infront from the descent from the climb before the Toussuire, the Joux-Plane if I remember correctly. Gesink and Garate attack on the descent of the Joux Plane and Gesink catches up a few kilometers later on the climb, before Gesink reached the group Voeckler was doing his together with Pinot, but stopped doing so when Gesink got to the group and denied to do so when Gesink asked him to help him out so they could possibly stay away.

Another example is this years WC RR, Hoogerland tries to escape on the little hill and gets a few guys with him, including Voeckler. Everyone rides a bit on front taking turns, besides Voeckler. When the group gets caught by machine-like Wiggins Voeckler decides to accelerate all of a sudden on his own, why didnt he just help out by taking turns, but instead he decided to rambo on his own for some TV-time.

Do I need to give more examples why I dislike Voeckler?

 

[Arnout]

In short: hes an act.

Voeckler always acts whenever he gets on TV or there is camera nearby. For once I do dislike him because in my opinion you shouldnt be screwing others over if they got in a bad position. For example when Flecha & Hoogerland were taken out by a car, you see Voeckler look back and accelerate.

LLS actually didn't want to ride on cause its kind of respectless to accelerate when someone gets taken out like that, but because Voeckler felt the need to be a hero for the French he accelerated and wanted the Yellow Yersey. And the horrible crash the actual reason Voeckler got yellow, the peloton definatly decellerated (sp?) because of the crash.

As for the acting, look at the stage L'Alpe D'Huez when Contador and Schleck rode away with Voeckler chasing, he spent half the mountain being stupid and swearing and shouting at himself, his teammates who did a great job of helping him and throwing water bottles. Why does someone need to put up a show like that? And also on the L'Alpe D'Huez, you saw him act so bad whenever the camera was pointed at him, its ridiculous. He also got very mad at the Dutch crowd in corner 7 which were mad at Voeckler cause he rode on when the car accident happened.

As for screwing over other people for his own success or not granting others success. Look at the stage from this year's Dauphine to La Toussuire. Pinot and Voeckler are riding infront from the descent from the climb before the Toussuire, the Joux-Plane if I remember correctly. Gesink and Garate attack on the descent of the Joux Plane and Gesink catches up a few kilometers later on the climb, before Gesink reached the group Voeckler was doing his together with Pinot, but stopped doing so when Gesink got to the group and denied to do so when Gesink asked him to help him out so they could possibly stay away.

Another example is this years WC RR, Hoogerland tries to escape on the little hill and gets a few guys with him, including Voeckler. Everyone rides a bit on front taking turns, besides Voeckler. When the group gets caught by machine-like Wiggins Voeckler decides to accelerate all of a sudden on his own, why didnt he just help out by taking turns, but instead he decided to rambo on his own for some TV-time.

Do I need to give more examples why I dislike Voeckler?

They were two minutes ahead. Its bike racing, no elderly hospital. Continuing was the only way. And don't get me started on the Dutch "supporters", stupid lot. Drinking beer on a mountainside all day long and then pretending to be funny.

It's the Dutch mentality again. If you don't spoil your chances for something you can't do **** about anyway you're bad sport.

 

[LugHugger]

In short: hes an act.

Voeckler always acts whenever he gets on TV or there is camera nearby. For once I do dislike him because in my opinion you shouldnt be screwing others over if they got in a bad position. For example when Flecha & Hoogerland were taken out by a car, you see Voeckler look back and accelerate.

LLS actually didn't want to ride on cause its kind of respectless to accelerate when someone gets taken out like that, but because Voeckler felt the need to be a hero for the French he accelerated and wanted the Yellow Yersey. And the horrible crash the actual reason Voeckler got yellow, the peloton definatly decellerated (sp?) because of the crash.

As for the acting, look at the stage L'Alpe D'Huez when Contador and Schleck rode away with Voeckler chasing, he spent half the mountain being stupid and swearing and shouting at himself, his teammates who did a great job of helping him and throwing water bottles. Why does someone need to put up a show like that? And also on the L'Alpe D'Huez, you saw him act so bad whenever the camera was pointed at him, its ridiculous. He also got very mad at the Dutch crowd in corner 7 which were mad at Voeckler cause he rode on when the car accident happened.

As for screwing over other people for his own success or not granting others success. Look at the stage from this year's Dauphine to La Toussuire. Pinot and Voeckler are riding infront from the descent from the climb before the Toussuire, the Joux-Plane if I remember correctly. Gesink and Garate attack on the descent of the Joux Plane and Gesink catches up a few kilometers later on the climb, before Gesink reached the group Voeckler was doing his together with Pinot, but stopped doing so when Gesink got to the group and denied to do so when Gesink asked him to help him out so they could possibly stay away.

Another example is this years WC RR, Hoogerland tries to escape on the little hill and gets a few guys with him, including Voeckler. Everyone rides a bit on front taking turns, besides Voeckler. When the group gets caught by machine-like Wiggins Voeckler decides to accelerate all of a sudden on his own, why didnt he just help out by taking turns, but instead he decided to rambo on his own for some TV-time.

Do I need to give more examples why I dislike Voeckler?

He's an act? ie phony, not real? Perhaps you could explain then how he has managed to achieve so many wins? What does that make his fellow pro's?

Voeckler did not accelerate away from Flecha and Hoogerland out of any kind of attempt to take advantage. He was soft pedalling immediately after the accident and waiting for what was left of the group to reform. Neither Flecha or Hoogerland were in any position to continue to ride in the break as their finishing positions that day testify. Yes, he was riding for yellow. What would you have done?

Your reasons for disliking Voeckler appear to be purely jingoistic.

 

[Swabian Lass]

Mmmm. I try to like or not like the way in which riders ride. I try not to like or dislike them as people unless I've actually met them (and I haven't met most of them). I find a lot to like about the way Voeckler rides. That's not to say that he isn't an idiot when you know him, I just don't know. As for the Flecha and Hoogerland crash, I'm not sure what was going on there, but he wouldn't be the first cyclist to take advantage of a situation because he didn't realise at the time how bad it was. And later...well they weren't going to get back on, were they? Not much point waiting then.

I actually like the way he attacks, like to see more of it in the peloton. I believe that one of the reasons for the attacks (including the ones which seem pointless and I'll concede that some of them are) is to get the team's name out there and get some attention for the sponsor. After all, that's one of the only ways Europcar are going to get attention, let's face it. He's showing the jersey which is what he's paid to do.

 

[Kvinto]

I think that if people don't know Offredo yet, they soon will. If things go his way he could win any of Het Volk, Milano-San Remo, E3-Prijs, Gent-Wevelgem or the Ronde van Vlaanderen.
He's a Gilbert waiting to break through.

Hutarovich and Pinot are also good, but not quite the same level (yet). The same goes for Démare.

As for the 3 spots, I think AG2R is definitely in.
Geox won't happen.
The remaining 3 teams battle for the last 2 spots, I'd say they all have an equal chance. Voted FDJ and Europcar.

Agreed on Offredo, his time is yet to come. In the case of Pinot (who actually showed a lot this year) and Demare they are young enough to become great riders in future.

In short: hes an act.

Voeckler always acts whenever he gets on TV or there is camera nearby. For once I do dislike him because in my opinion you shouldnt be screwing others over if they got in a bad position. For example when Flecha & Hoogerland were taken out by a car, you see Voeckler look back and accelerate.

LLS actually didn't want to ride on cause its kind of respectless to accelerate when someone gets taken out like that, but because Voeckler felt the need to be a hero for the French he accelerated and wanted the Yellow Yersey. And the horrible crash the actual reason Voeckler got yellow, the peloton definatly decellerated (sp?) because of the crash.

As for the acting, look at the stage L'Alpe D'Huez when Contador and Schleck rode away with Voeckler chasing, he spent half the mountain being stupid and swearing and shouting at himself, his teammates who did a great job of helping him and throwing water bottles. Why does someone need to put up a show like that? And also on the L'Alpe D'Huez, you saw him act so bad whenever the camera was pointed at him, its ridiculous. He also got very mad at the Dutch crowd in corner 7 which were mad at Voeckler cause he rode on when the car accident happened.

As for screwing over other people for his own success or not granting others success. Look at the stage from this year's Dauphine to La Toussuire. Pinot and Voeckler are riding infront from the descent from the climb before the Toussuire, the Joux-Plane if I remember correctly. Gesink and Garate attack on the descent of the Joux Plane and Gesink catches up a few kilometers later on the climb, before Gesink reached the group Voeckler was doing his together with Pinot, but stopped doing so when Gesink got to the group and denied to do so when Gesink asked him to help him out so they could possibly stay away.

Another example is this years WC RR, Hoogerland tries to escape on the little hill and gets a few guys with him, including Voeckler. Everyone rides a bit on front taking turns, besides Voeckler. When the group gets caught by machine-like Wiggins Voeckler decides to accelerate all of a sudden on his own, why didnt he just help out by taking turns, but instead he decided to rambo on his own for some TV-time.

Do I need to give more examples why I dislike Voeckler?

i feel completely the same about Voeckler. A decent rider but also a slimy person.

 

[Havetts]

They were two minutes ahead. Its bike racing, no elderly hospital. Continuing was the only way. And don't get me started on the Dutch "supporters", stupid lot. Drinking beer on a mountainside all day long and then pretending to be funny.

I actually agree with you, they **** me off to no end. Theyre not real bike race supporters, but nonetheless Voeckler just made a show of it.

 

[Moncoutie]

In short: hes an act.

Voeckler always acts whenever he gets on TV or there is camera nearby. For once I do dislike him because in my opinion you shouldnt be screwing others over if they got in a bad position. For example when Flecha & Hoogerland were taken out by a car, you see Voeckler look back and accelerate.

LLS actually didn't want to ride on cause its kind of respectless to accelerate when someone gets taken out like that, but because Voeckler felt the need to be a hero for the French he accelerated and wanted the Yellow Yersey. And the horrible crash the actual reason Voeckler got yellow, the peloton definatly decellerated (sp?) because of the crash.

As for the acting, look at the stage L'Alpe D'Huez when Contador and Schleck rode away with Voeckler chasing, he spent half the mountain being stupid and swearing and shouting at himself, his teammates who did a great job of helping him and throwing water bottles. Why does someone need to put up a show like that? And also on the L'Alpe D'Huez, you saw him act so bad whenever the camera was pointed at him, its ridiculous. He also got very mad at the Dutch crowd in corner 7 which were mad at Voeckler cause he rode on when the car accident happened.

As for screwing over other people for his own success or not granting others success. Look at the stage from this year's Dauphine to La Toussuire. Pinot and Voeckler are riding infront from the descent from the climb before the Toussuire, the Joux-Plane if I remember correctly. Gesink and Garate attack on the descent of the Joux Plane and Gesink catches up a few kilometers later on the climb, before Gesink reached the group Voeckler was doing his together with Pinot, but stopped doing so when Gesink got to the group and denied to do so when Gesink asked him to help him out so they could possibly stay away.

Another example is this years WC RR, Hoogerland tries to escape on the little hill and gets a few guys with him, including Voeckler. Everyone rides a bit on front taking turns, besides Voeckler. When the group gets caught by machine-like Wiggins Voeckler decides to accelerate all of a sudden on his own, why didnt he just help out by taking turns, but instead he decided to rambo on his own for some TV-time.

Do I need to give more examples why I dislike Voeckler?

Didn't he stop riding during the Dauphine to allow Kern the stage win?

 

[Kvinto]

Didn't he stop riding during the Dauphine to allow Kern the stage win?

Isn't Kern his teammate btw?

 

[spalco]

I don't know who will make, but I hope it's Euskaltel and any two of the French teams.

 

[Moncoutie]

Isn't Kern his teammate btw?

Yeah, but Kern had attacked to set up Voeckler. When Voeckler realised Kern could take the stage himself he sat up.

 

[luckyboy]

Euskaltel, AG2R and FDJ.

As for the talk of the WorldTour being unsuitable for Euskaltel - GreenEdge are having to ride three three-week stage races which include mountains next year. I'd say riding three cobbled races isn't as bad/unsuitable as that.

 

[Swabian Lass]

AG2R should be a shoo-in. Euskaltel will probably be in because it would be politically unwise to drop them (unless they decide they don't want it, which would make sense for them imo). Then it should be FDJ because I think that they're the better rounded team, but somehow, I have a feeling it could be Europcar.

 

[Moncoutie]

Euskaltel, AG2R and FDJ.

As for the talk of the WorldTour being unsuitable for Euskaltel - GreenEdge are having to ride three three-week stage races which include mountains next year. I'd say riding three cobbled races isn't as bad/unsuitable as that.

Greenedge however will have numerous flat/breakaway stages in GT's where they will have a good chance of a win. Euskaltel on the other hand.....

 

[Escarabajo]

In short: hes an act.

Voeckler always acts whenever he gets on TV or there is camera nearby. For once I do dislike him because in my opinion you shouldnt be screwing others over if they got in a bad position. For example when Flecha & Hoogerland were taken out by a car, you see Voeckler look back and accelerate.

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I thought that was the purpose of having a sponsor on your shirt. That's also one of the reasons why we are even having this discussion, because he gets a lot of exposure to TV.

As for the acting, look at the stage L'Alpe D'Huez when Contador and Schleck rode away with Voeckler chasing, he spent half the mountain being stupid and swearing and shouting at himself, his teammates who did a great job of helping him and throwing water bottles. Why does someone need to put up a show like that? And also on the L'Alpe D'Huez, you saw him act so bad whenever the camera was pointed at him, its ridiculous. He also got very mad at the Dutch crowd in corner 7 which were mad at Voeckler cause he rode on when the car accident happened.

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Do I need to give more examples why I dislike Voeckler?

You mean the annoying drunk Dutch crowd on curve #7?

 

[Swabian Lass]

I thought that was the purpose of having a sponsor on your shirt. That's also one of the reasons why we are even having this discussion, because he gets a lot of exposure to TV.

Exactly. Voeckler's doing his job.

 

[Havetts]

I thought that was the purpose of having a sponsor on your shirt. That's also one of the reasons why we are even having this discussion, because he gets a lot of exposure to TV.

Being a *** on a bike is good for your sponsor? Seems..

You mean the annoying drunk Dutch crowd on curve #7?

If only you'd read what I had posted already...

 

[LugHugger]

Being a *** on a bike is good for your sponsor? Seems..





If only you'd read what I had posted already...

Winning races is certainly good for your sponsors

 

[Escarabajo]

Being a *** on a bike is good for your sponsor? Seems..

We do have different opinions about Voeckler, it seems. Never mind I wrote something.

 

[theyoungest]

Being a *** on a bike is good for your sponsor? Seems..

What you call "being a ***" makes the French burst in unwarranted chants of the Marseillaise... i.e. they love the guy. Good for the sponsor.

 

[maltiv]

Greenedge however will have numerous flat/breakaway stages in GT's where they will have a good chance of a win. Euskaltel on the other hand.....

Euskaltel on the other hand can win most stage races whereas GreenEdge will start 90% of the races they enter with no GC candidate