L'Avenir 2024 U23s 18 to 24 August

[Squire]

I still think that if he holds 2 minutes till the finish, Torres has a decent chance tomorrow. Finestre should suit him much better than Blackmore.

Indeed, but there's a lot more firepower in the first group, right?

 

[Samamba]

I still think that if he holds 2 minutes till the finish, Torres has a decent chance tomorrow. Finestre should suit him much better than Blackmore.

But he won't hold that if the front group rides together a bit.

 

[YavorD]

Indeed, but there's a lot more firepower in the first group, right?

Indeed. I follow PCS updates and it stays on 1.45 but I'm more inclined to believe he'll be at 3', not 2.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

José Been trying to fool us by stating Ayuso was on the Vuelta podium in his first year after juniors.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Yes that's what I said in of my other posts, I just think he's (finally) getting empty, apart from that I still don't know if he really is the guy for the high mountains but that's too early to tell.

In the past guys who were in top form in Giro and Aosta were basically never good in Avenir. It wouldn't work at pro level either.

This, the Italians who tried to peak for both races always did badly in the Tour de l'Avenir.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

This, the Italians who tried to peak for both races always did badly in the Tour de l'Avenir.

Sivakov did the holy trinity (Isard, Aosta, Girobio) and then proceeded to lose l'Avenir to Bernal by an hour.

 

[YavorD]

what frustration do you actually have? Did you have a hard time in your youth? In the Giro Torres was always very close to Widar's level. He's just stronger this tour. Torres is just making big steps every month. You lose races and you win.

9 minutes very close? I guess for you DFM and Remco were close competitors to Pogacar and he only barely won..

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Now Grmay was the only one to beat Evenepoel at the junior level. OMG.

 

[Samamba]

Sivakov did the holy trinity (Isard, Aosta, Girobio) and then proceeded to lose l'Avenir to Bernal by an hour.

He did win last stage tho.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

9 minutes very close? I guess for you DFM and Remco were close competitors to Pogacar and he only barely won..

Giro U23. Torres was 51s behind Widar in GC.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

He did win last stage tho.

He did, but it goes to show how prone these kids are to either having a terrible day or just explode all together. It is impossible for the average pro to hold form for months on end, let alone kids who are barely eligible to buy alcohol.

 

[Landeirovic]

9 minutes very close? I guess for you DFM and Remco were close competitors to Pogacar and he only barely won..

9 minutes?? He finished at 52 seconds

 

[YavorD]

Giro U23. Torres was 51s behind Widar in GC.

My bad, sorry. I saw Giro (Vale D'Aosta) and assumed it is Giro Bio.
Edit: Giro Next gen.

 

[Samamba]

you say Widar doesn't have the legs. Not having the legs or being slightly less than his level is a big difference. You can just say that he has the legs but is just a little less than what he normally is. But if he didn't have the legs he would lose 4min+ yesterday and today

[[deleted]]He OBVIOUSLY Doesn't have his best legs??? He's like 5 minutes behind. Why did Torres lose 10 minutes stage 1 in Aosta and then win the last stage? Do you think he had his best legs?

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[Mayomaniac]

Now Grmay was the only one to beat Evenepoel at the junior level. OMG.

Cries in Karel Vacek

 

[Landeirovic]

[[deleted]] He OBVIOUSLY Doesn't have his best legs??? He's like 5 minutes behind. Why did Torres lose 10 minutes stage 1 in Aosta and then win the last stage? Do you think he had his best legs?

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Torres crashed stage 1 and lose 4min

 

[Tim Cahill]

Blackmore didn't make it to the British Cycling Academy?

Well done lads nice one.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

By the way, this is the perfect situation for Bisiaux, he often thrives as the underdog. He ain't the best climber, but he has this weird habit of just going on these enormous raids in the ultimate stage. I've seen it happen more than once in the juniors where he plays all or nothing and it somehow always ending up being everything. Man put 3 minutes into Albert Withen Philipsen in a very hard stage to Altishofen, and he did the same to AJ, Oscar Chambo and Grisel earlier in the year.

 

[ice&fire]

Torres crashed stage 1 and lose 4min

He's going to lose another 4 min today

 

[Mayomaniac]

Sivakov did the holy trinity (Isard, Aosta, Girobio) and then proceeded to lose l'Avenir to Bernal by an hour.

Sivakov also came from a cycling family and was on that BMC developmental team that had young guys train really hard and professional for their age, but then pretty much none of their gc prospects made it big. Sivakov got his best gc result in a gt before turning 22 and remember Fankiny?

 

[Samamba]

Sivakov also came from a cycling family and was on that BMC developmental team that had young guys train really hard and professional for their age, but then pretty much none of their gc prospects made it big. Sivakov got his best gc result in a gt before turning 22 and remember Fankiny?

It's still a thing, it's so hard to know which talents already train perfectly, work with dieticians, go on altitude camps etc. All things to take into account. There's juniors that literally sleep in altitude camps at home, completely ridiculous (and sounds unhealthy honestly). Obviously they are going to be better than kids of 3000 euro bikes without a powermeter.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

By the way, this is the perfect situation for Bisiaux, he often thrives as the underdog. He ain't the best climber, but he has this weird habit of just going on these enormous raids in the ultimate stage. I've seen it happen more than once in the juniors where he plays all or nothing and it somehow always ending up being everything. Man put 3 minutes into Albert Withen Philipsen in a very hard stage to Altishofen, and he did the same to AJ, Oscar Chambo and Grisel earlier in the year.

Tomorrow isn't exactly the best stage for raids, though.

 

[Squire]

Indeed. I follow PCS updates and it stays on 1.45 but I'm more inclined to believe he'll be at 3', not 2.

3 minutes turned out to still be very optimistic! :O

 

[Tim Cahill]

At least this means that Spain will have to go from the bottom tomorrow, problem is it's not just the timeloss but the amount he's had to do here.

 

[Mayomaniac]

It's still a thing, it's so hard to know which talents already train perfectly, work with dieticians, go on altitude camps etc. All things to take into account. There's juniors that literally sleep in altitude camps at home, completely ridiculous (and sounds unhealthy honestly). Obviously they are going to be better than kids of 3000 euro bikes without a powermeter.

Until this year altitude tents were still banned in Italy and for all Italian athletes.