Le Tour '18 stage 12: Bourg-Saint-Maurice > Alpe d'Huez 175k

[Alexandre B.]

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Bardet pretty much admitting he attacked when Nibali crashed tried to blame it on poor radio connections, I said a the time Froome, G and Tom all waited....Bardet attacked

Have you even watched the race?

He’s just a troll.

Yep,he's just trolling
https://twitter.com/romainbardet/status/1020002708684771329

This absolutely doesn't change my statement. He's just a troll.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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As much as I enjoy I enjoy sportsmanship, it's a bike race. So race. Nibali getting mowed by a moto is a bit of an outlier, but I've never understood the rationale behind this particular unwritten rule.

As with most unwritten rules, they serve to make life a little easier for the dominant few and a little harder for their uppity rivals. However, they do make a certain amount of sense when weird stuff that happens that can’t really be considered a normal racing incident.

 

[DBotero]

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Bardet pretty much admitting he attacked when Nibali crashed tried to blame it on poor radio connections, I said a the time Froome, G and Tom all waited....Bardet attacked

Have you even watched the race?

He’s just a troll.

Yep,he's just trolling
https://twitter.com/romainbardet/status/1020002708684771329

This absolutely doesn't change my statement. He's just a troll.

Yes,maybe.He got it right this time.Anyway that pic from Bardet twitter with those 2 loonies is really sad.They need to do something about the riders security.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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The only hope is Dumouin and Bardet I think.

Maybe Landa is his back gets better

You know, I really like Dumoulin, he is a character in an era of soulless PR cycling bots with a real winner mentality. But as a cyclist he is mostly still a TT guy and therefore not the guy who I expect to light up the tour. Bardet is fine on mtf's but seems to be super afraid of any attack where he has to ride more than 100 meters which aren't uphill and the whole Movistar team has been garbage so far. Landa might ride himself into shape as he often does but he and Quintana are already way too far behind. Nibali wasn't the most likely to beat sky (if Bardet wouldn't have lost in the first week I'd argue he was a lot more likely to win) but he was the one who I hoped would pressure sky wherever he can. Ofc I'm writing this from a Nibali fanboy perspective but I really think this crash hurts this tour a lot. I'm right now not excited for the Pyrenees at all.

I think you need to lose the stigma of Dumoulin being "the TT guy". You cannot call him that after yesterday and today.
For christ sake he momentarily dropped Bardet and Froome. He finished far ahead of Quintana. He's not some TT guy. Yesterday he solo'd up the mountain for 15km

Basically that means he has attacked more than the so called climbers so far.

 

[Frankschleck]

chaupeau Kruijsweik. You may not have won the race but you won our hearts. Gutted you didn't get the win, but what a ride. Brave stuff.

 

[Red Rick]

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The only hope is Dumouin and Bardet I think.

Maybe Landa is his back gets better

You know, I really like Dumoulin, he is a character in an era of soulless PR cycling bots with a real winner mentality. But as a cyclist he is mostly still a TT guy and therefore not the guy who I expect to light up the tour. Bardet is fine on mtf's but seems to be super afraid of any attack where he has to ride more than 100 meters which aren't uphill and the whole Movistar team has been garbage so far. Landa might ride himself into shape as he often does but he and Quintana are already way too far behind. Nibali wasn't the most likely to beat sky (if Bardet wouldn't have lost in the first week I'd argue he was a lot more likely to win) but he was the one who I hoped would pressure sky wherever he can. Ofc I'm writing this from a Nibali fanboy perspective but I really think this crash hurts this tour a lot. I'm right now not excited for the Pyrenees at all.

Pyrenees stages are also too easy.

Kruijswijk showed what kind of stages are necessary to pressure the team in the first place. Pyrenees will be limited to a showdown on Col de Portet and nothing else.

*** Mende is probably the best designed 'MTF' in the 2nd half of the Tour.

 

[Blanco]

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Bardet pretty much admitting he attacked when Nibali crashed tried to blame it on poor radio connections, I said a the time Froome, G and Tom all waited....Bardet attacked

No, Bardet was on the attack way before that, but Froome attacked precisely in that moment!

 

[rick james]

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Bardet pretty much admitting he attacked when Nibali crashed tried to blame it on poor radio connections, I said a the time Froome, G and Tom all waited....Bardet attacked

Have you even watched the race?

He’s just a troll.

Bardet has admitted it

 

[bajbar]

So, we have quite an interesting situation now. The top 4 consists of two riders who have done the Giro and could (and should) theoretically suffer in the third week. The other two are unproven in GT racing and could very well suffer and lose time in the third week as well. Then, bellow them are Bardet and Landa, who do seem to be quite good at three week recovery and have improved their shape from yesterday to today, but they are terrible in the TT where they might as well lose 2 minutes to each one in the top 4 currently. So it could get interesting... or it could just be a Sky procession to Paris...

 

[rick james]

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Bardet pretty much admitting he attacked when Nibali crashed tried to blame it on poor radio connections, I said a the time Froome, G and Tom all waited....Bardet attacked

No, Bardet was on the attack way before that, but Froome attacked precisely in that moment!

So Bardet is telling lies?

 

[Red Rick]

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So, we have quite an interesting situation now. The top 4 consists of two riders who have done the Giro and could (and should) theoretically suffer in the third week. The other two are unproven in GT racing and could very well suffer and lose time in the third week as well. Then, bellow them are Bardet and Landa, who do seem to be quite good at three week recovery and have improved their shape from yesterday to today, but they are terrible in the TT where they might as well lose 2 minutes to each one in the top 4 currently. So it could get interesting... or it could just be a Sky procession to Paris...

It's not

Pyrenees are garbage and Sky is lolstrong

 

[rick james]

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Bardet pretty much admitting he attacked when Nibali crashed tried to blame it on poor radio connections, I said a the time Froome, G and Tom all waited....Bardet attacked

Have you even watched the race?

He’s just a troll.

Yep,he's just trolling
https://twitter.com/romainbardet/status/1020002708684771329

This absolutely doesn't change my statement. He's just a troll.

For pointing out the truth?? Lol

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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So, we have quite an interesting situation now. The top 4 consists of two riders who have done the Giro and could (and should) theoretically suffer in the third week. The other two are unproven in GT racing and could very well suffer and lose time in the third week as well. Then, bellow them are Bardet and Landa, who do seem to be quite good at three week recovery and have improved their shape from yesterday to today, but they are terrible in the TT where they might as well lose 2 minutes to each one in the top 4 currently. So it could get interesting... or it could just be a Sky procession to Paris...

You're saying Kruijswijk can still win this Tour then?

 

[SafeBet]

I actually think he would have a chance if he didn't bleed time today. But he was epic so no regrets.

 

[bambino]

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Bardet pretty much admitting he attacked when Nibali crashed tried to blame it on poor radio connections, I said a the time Froome, G and Tom all waited....Bardet attacked

No, Bardet was on the attack way before that, but Froome attacked precisely in that moment!

As just discusses a page before, we are talking about different attack of Bardet. And that is what he refers in his twitter as well.

And I kind of believe Bardet on what he is saying. If Tom/Donkey/G talked about waiting, Romain probably didn't understand a *** what they were talking about.

 

[Lequack]

Nibali crash from another angle, spectator video:
https://twitter.com/LeGruppetto/status/1020050957525311494

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Funny interview with sinkeldam as well. Said all the sprinters and lesser climbers had to ride the whole stage at above 100% to even make it within the limit.

 

[bambino]

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Nibali crash from another angle, spectator video:
https://twitter.com/LeGruppetto/status/1020050957525311494

I don't see moto in that video that would've caused the crash. Hard to say what did, but looks like spectator push to me.

 

[Lequack]

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Nibali crash from another angle, spectator video:
https://twitter.com/LeGruppetto/status/1020050957525311494

I don't see moto in that video that would've caused the crash. Hard to say what did, but looks like spectator push to me.

Looks that way to me too.

 

[roundabout]

Probably hooked a flag

 

[Jagartrott]

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Nibali crash from another angle, spectator video:
https://twitter.com/LeGruppetto/status/1020050957525311494

A flag between his spokes and/or chain I think.

 

[bajbar]

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Nibali crash from another angle, spectator video:
https://twitter.com/LeGruppetto/status/1020050957525311494

I don't see moto in that video that would've caused the crash. Hard to say what did, but looks like spectator push to me.

Yeah, it looks like his handlebars got tangled into something that a spectator had in his hands. It definitely wasn't a moto.

 

[bambino]

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Nibali crash from another angle, spectator video:
https://twitter.com/LeGruppetto/status/1020050957525311494

I don't see moto in that video that would've caused the crash. Hard to say what did, but looks like spectator push to me.

Yeah, it looks like his handlebars got tangled into something that a spectator had in his hands. It definitely wasn't a moto.

Something indeed. Looks almost like his bike is suddenly dragged towards the spectators while he goes to other direction. Landed straight on his back/but so no wonder it hurt. He is holding his back as reaction straight after the fall.

In other note... these guys are really in other world in these efforts... he looked almost like fainted in most of pictures after the crash. These guys are unbelievable in the way they can take out all they have in such efforts.

 

[Lequack]

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Nibali crash from another angle, spectator video:
https://twitter.com/LeGruppetto/status/1020050957525311494

I don't see moto in that video that would've caused the crash. Hard to say what did, but looks like spectator push to me.

Yeah, it looks like his handlebars got tangled into something that a spectator had in his hands. It definitely wasn't a moto.

Looks like it (from another thread):

 

[Strawberry_Jams]

Looks like a strap from a camera to me.