LeMond and Trek Settle

[flicker]

Do you really think anyone wants to come forward with the truth? Lance is feared more than he is respected.

Lizzie don't get mad get even. You go get em girl!

 

[elizab]

Kennf1, maybe you can answer: legally, no one would have to answer a subpoena to a civil court case in federal court unless they are within that court's jurisdiction. If they fail to comply, however, an issue is warranted for their arrest in that state. One is compelled to answer a subpoena only when it is a criminal court case.

Nothing prevents Greg from answering why there was a settlement. Read what I stated: had Wilson Sonsini been the lawfirm from the beginning, there would have been no settlement.

 

[buckwheat]

Greg had his bike company destroyed. He was smeared in the public with the blind support of the media more or less.
Frankie lost his job as a director when stories came out on the SCA legal documents where Frankie stated under oath lance doped. I was mercilessly singled out and smeared in the public. Two American journalists did a fair and balanced report from the SCA documents: Tom Goldman of NPR and Alan Abrahamson (then of the L.A. Times and now of NBC Sports). The only other media to talk to me was my local NBC affiliate news station. Lance smeared, lied, and smeared me some more all the while the media covered every word he said without giving me a chance to respond more or less.
After one year, Austin Murphy contacted us for a piece he was to write about all of this on the eve of "From Lance to Landis" appearance on bookshelves. He entered Lance's coveted (to those journalists who have integrity) blacklist after that article appeared in Sports Illustrated.
Three Americans to write about this and that's it. The others didn't give a rat's *** that lance was lying through his teeth casting aspersions on people who refused to go along with his charade.
After I presented a damning piece of evidence in the SCA case (to Frankie's immense displeasure), lance and/or one of his goons contacted the guy who is central to this evidence and threatened him had he not signed an affidavit supporting lance and dismissing this evidence.
Look at Filipo Simeoni. He's not treated like Basso now is he? He's seen as a pariah. Same with Jaksche. Kohl has provided details how's his reception by the peloton? UCI? What about Manzano?
Frankie's been warned in the past that to keep involved (not saying who said it or regarding what) he and I must shut-up or he won't have work. A colleague of Frankie's told another regarding how lance has treated me publicly, "....she got what she deserved; we all have to make a living..."

I was told by a pro cyclist that everyone knows I told the truth but he just shrugged his shoulders, "Look at what happened to you when you did."

Do you really think anyone wants to come forward with the truth? Lance is feared more than he is respected.

Austin is back worshipping Lance I think.

I was going to say something vulgar re Austin and Lance, but I have a lot of respect for you, so I kept it clean. Keep fighting.

As a humorous aside, everyone involved with Pharmstrong has blocked me on Twitter. Dylan Casey being the last one.

I have some class, I left the women out, including his mom, which is probably where he learned a lot of his bs.

 

[MacRoadie]

Do you really think anyone wants to come forward with the truth? Lance is feared more than he is respected.

Lizzie don't get mad get even. You go get em girl!

Lizzie?

That should go over well....

 

[buckwheat]

E they clearly don't have nearly as much clout in America EVEN IN THEIR HOME TOWNS as chamois-lickers like yourself would claim.

Damn, "people" do that? Mine get nasty living down by Miami and all.

 

[Grilled]

And so it goes

Betsy - you have my eternal respect for your steadfast adherence to the truth.

Good for you.

I can't wait until the day comes that ol' Pharmy gets busted and I am hopeful that day comes soon. Even he - to some extent - has to be wearing down, looking at himself in the mirror, at least one would like to hope.

I get attacked sometimes because I keep pushing the issue and have been for years. People ask my why I care so much about the subject, and this rider in particular.

I care mostly as a fan. I hate being lied to, to be defrauded basically. It's important because it undermines and demeans the very essence of sport at the basic levels. While there are many demons, Lance is the head devil of the deal. I am under no illusions just the top 50 guys are doping. And now with Lance's return, the floodgates are kicked open again.

Despite all the LAF stuff - which is philanthropic and good - the sporting end of Lance's charade is horrifically saddening, false, and disgusting. The hope he gives to the sick, or to the overweight dude that gets off the couch and get on a bike - while on the outside is good - is based 100% on fraud.

Lance is to cycling what Barry Bonds was to baseball - a smug, incredulous, pompous, sad, pathetic little *****.

I appreciate you standing up for your character and taking any sh*t off this guy.

 

[craig1985]

Yup. It's suspicious posters like that which convinces me that there is a decent chance that nutters like Carboncrank are paid trolls.

What a sweat gig. How does one get into that?

 

[Galic Ho]

And yeah, I'm with you on Wiggins. His creeping to LA by emailing him to apologise after his "I'm better than LA" bragging, and admitting he needs to BS more "like LA", was incredibly disappointing, even more than lying about wanting to join Sky all that time. He's now admitted he decided to join Sky at the first rest day of the Tour. It's nice to know he's become a rider who is happy manipulating fans like that.

Noticed your new to the forum. Myself and others have been singing that tune since the Tour. Wiggins is no nice guy. He is a fully certified BS artist who has taken every play from the Lance Armstrong rule book. Even his miraculous climbing development.

 

[patricknd]

What a sweat gig. How does one get into that?

spelling -5

 

[Galic Ho]

After all, cycle doping started in Europe and infected North America and South America too. Greg LeMond and Eddie B were the ones who carried the doping "virus" here to America and the infection began. (Greg did not realize he was speading the virus of course, but hanging around with dopers Kelly and Roche what do you expect). And many young racers would soon be infected. Too bad they did not attack and kill the "virus" back then

Geez, getting back on topic...seems Greg needs to apologize to Lance not smear him. Maybe they can work side by side to finally, once and for all, clean up the Doping Problem that has existed in cycling for over a century.

Again I seem to be repeating myself. Why do people give you ammunition. You're the closest thing to the troll that was banished to a place far away, whom we shall not name.

Did you forget the 1984 Olympics. Considering I was one and a bit at the time, I still managed to find accomplished information about the US track cycling team. Doping was around in US sports before Lemond raced. Nice attempt by yourself to again tar a respected champion with hyperbole and subterfuge. What is your gripe with Lemond? That he could win clean? Or he has played a role in unraveling the LA myth, to those whom listen and not the fanboys. Is that your stigma?

Thanks for once again sprouting bile and rubbish.

 

[Flicklives]

As usual you missed the point.

The crit was cancelled in Leipheimer's home town and THE POINT is that neither Levi nor his friend and team-mate Lance could do anything about it.

BULL. Neither tried.

If Lance agreed to go to a mall opening, they could get someone to sponsor it for $50,000, all the local politicians to come out, and 30,000 cult members to show up to spectate.

I doubt either Levi or Lance know the race existed, nevermind the fact that its being canceled.

 

[Anonymous]

Noticed your new to the forum. Myself and others have been singing that tune since the Tour. Wiggins is no nice guy. He is a fully certified BS artist who has taken every play from the Lance Armstrong rule book. Even his miraculous climbing development.

Yeah, I was heavily involved in the sport when I was younger, from the latter Lemond years through Indurain. I was decent enough to have the option of pursuing my involvement further but completely lost faith in the sport and quit to pursue a profession as I didn't want to spend my life on drugs (which is effectively what an up and coming cyclist in the early-mid 90's had to face up to). Therefore, from a purely personal standpoint, doping represents the end of my childhood dreams, that I had a potential career in the sport effectively robbed from me as I would never have wanted to do drugs. I had a pretty sh*t childhood and for many years cycling was my escape, was all that kept me fighting through the days, so to have to turn my back on that dream through no fault of my own was devastating. I got interested again as I hit 30 and am now secure enough in my profession that I can take more "me" time and pursue it again as a hobby.

I never saw myself as naive after seeing the progression of the epo years but this forum has been an eye-opener. I'm utterly dejected by what I've discovered of many pro's and I'm now delighted I chose the path I did and didn't try to join the apparent cess-pit of the pro peloton. It hurts though to see a sport I love and care about treated this way by certain people. Wiggins is a case in point. Wiggins is a particular disappointment, but most of all it's LA who makes me angry. Kimmage once said he singled LA out from the other dopers as in 1999 cycling had a chance to renew itself after the Festina debacle, and many cyclists had decided enough was enough. Instead, what happens? The most cynical and manipulative cyclist in history takes control and plunges the sport back into doping disgrace, ruining an entire generation of youngsters. Worse than that though, he bullies, lies, manipulates and then hides behind a veil of cancer whenever anyone questions him. How he can do this, after witnessing the suffering first hand to take millions of dollars from honest people struck down by this disease and take advantage of their situation, is beyond me. On a purely human standpoint, it makes me sick.

And then we get to Betsy's latest post. Betsy, thank you, for so many things. Firstly, for your time outlining the truth to us plebs. Secondly, for being one of the few people with the moral integrity, courage and force of spirit to not only speak out, but to continue to do so even in the full eye of the LA storm. If only more people had your courage, this scourge might have been eradicated by now. Your latest post displayed all of your qualities and highlighted how weak so many within cycling really are, and it almost brought me to tears to think of the amount of people who will sit by and do nothing. They are all as guilty as LA in the destruction of the sport. I thought human nature was better than that. I'm starting to wonder why I'm bothering with this sport again, which used to bring so much joy.

Anyway, I'm tired and probably embarrassing myself with this outburst, so I'd better try to get some sleep.

 

[Big GMaC]

Anyway, I'm tired and probably embarrassing myself with this outburst, so I'd better try to get some sleep.

Not in any way at all, it is good to hear people's personal perspectives on things

 

[Kennf1]

Yeah, I was heavily involved in the sport when I was younger, from the latter Lemond years through Indurain.
* * *
Anyway, I'm tired and probably embarrassing myself with this outburst, so I'd better try to get some sleep.

Nice post Hibbles. I think your background mirrors a lot of others on here (not that I ever had a chance of actually pursuing the sport for a living, though).

 

[B.Rasmussen]

Thank you for your post Hibbles.

Cycling is your hobby now, so don't let the actions of professionals ruin it for you. Instead remember why you started riding a bike and enjoy the sport for what it is. Nothing beats being out on the road on a sunny day.

 

[python]

greg will speak up..

not sure if the cn article was linked already - probably was then pardon me - but this quote from diboise methinks is ominous. something could be afoot and lance may need to keep his legal dogs alert.

“I expect Greg will have comments once the French finish their investigation of Astana.”

why the french investigation when several high profile riders have already been busted? does greg have a whiff? what if the investigation turns up nothing?

seems like greg agrees with me - shak's participation in the tour is far from certain if the french have the guts to dig.

 

[Winterfold]

Thank you for your post Hibbles.

Cycling is your hobby now, so don't let the actions of professionals ruin it for you. Instead remember why you started riding a bike and enjoy the sport for what it is. Nothing beats being out on the road on a sunny day.

+1

No one, and particularly not him, can ever take away the joy that comes with riding your bike up your favourite hill and taking in the view while everyone else is still in bed being lazy and fat

It's horrible seeing riders like Wiggins and Cav falling into line with the BS, whether they are clean or not. Hopefully Contador will win so big this year that he does go away once and for all.

 

[BroDeal]

not sure if the cn article was linked already - probably was then pardon me - but this quote from diboise methinks is ominous. something could be afoot and lance may need to keep his legal dogs alert.

why the french investigation when several high profile riders have already been busted? does greg have a whiff? what if the investigation turns up nothing?

seems like greg agrees with me - shak's participation in the tour is far from certain if the french have the guts to dig.

I posted the same quote above somewhere, but no one wanted to comment on it. It looks like Lemond is waiting to see what the French turn up before taking the next step...or maybe he will only take that next step if the French deliver the goods.

The investigation could destroy Retirement Shack's TdF team. Forgetting about Contador and Armstrong, that leaves six riders who could be tossed. All the French need to do is obtain DNA samples during the day or two before the Tour. It will be interesting to see if the riders recon stages before the race.

 

[Escarabajo]

I posted the same quote above somewhere, but no one wanted to comment on it. It looks like Lemond is waiting to see what the French turn up before taking the next step...or maybe he will only take that next step if the French deliver the goods.

The investigation could destroy Retirement Shack's TdF team. Forgetting about Contador and Armstrong, that leaves six riders who could be tossed. All the French need to do is obtain DNA samples during the day or two before the Tour. It will be interesting to see if the riders recon stages before the race.

I hope it doesn't happen, because I want Lance to be defeated in the roads of France. And not only by Contador but by the other newcomers.

 

[BroDeal]

I hope it doesn't happen, because I want Lance to be defeated in the roads of France. And not only by Contador but by the other newcomers.

Horner and Leipheimer are safe. They can bring Steegmans.

Kloden, Zubeldia, and Popo could be gone. Maybe Fumi Beppu can pick up the slack.

I don't see how Shack could use their usual "ride at the front" tactics. Horner will be looking for a stage win at the Tour, which he wants very badly, and Leipheimer will be suffering delusions of winning. Those two won't want to burn themselves out.

 

[biokemguy]

Festina '98=Astana ''09/Shack 2010

I hope the French come down hard on Astana '09/Shack '10. It seems like this sport needs a Festina scale scandal to just maybe clean things up a bit more.

And bookending Armstrong's career with these two scandals would just be kinda funny.

 

[BikeCentric]

I hope the French come down hard on Astana '09/Shack '10. It seems like this sport needs a Festina scale scandal to just maybe clean things up a bit more.

And bookending Armstrong's career with these two scandals would just be kinda funny.

Yeah well we just had Puerto 4 years ago and it didn't do jack. Complete whitewash.

 

[biokemguy]

Yeah well we just had Puerto 4 years ago and it didn't do jack. Complete whitewash.

The optimist in me hopes that the French legal system does a better job with this than the Spanish have with Puerto...but I'm not counting on it.
My guess is ASO will see to that their race remains "un-tarnished".

I really wonder what Lemond can contribute to this situation other than speculation?

 

[buckwheat]

+1

No one, and particularly not him, can ever take away the joy that comes with riding your bike up your favourite hill and taking in the view while everyone else is still in bed being lazy and fat

It's horrible seeing riders like Wiggins and Cav falling into line with the BS, whether they are clean or not. Hopefully Contador will win so big this year that he does go away once and for all.

I told Wiggins about how he is perceived on these forums via twitter. I asked him about his support of Pharmstrong in those words. Who thinks a blocking on twitter is inevitable? I've been blocked by everyone from Pharmstrong and the Hog down to Hincapie and Dylan Casey.

 

[RTMcFadden]

I told Wiggins about how he is perceived on these forums via twitter. I asked him about his support of Pharmstrong in those words. Who thinks a blocking on twitter is inevitable? I've been blocked by everyone from Pharmstrong and the Hog down to Hincapie and Dylan Casey.

And you're proud of that. Do your parents know you're on their computer again?