LeMond and Trek Settle

[buckwheat]

I'm not sure what I'm allowed to say on this.....that said I'm chiming in with what I think I can say.

We're lucky to have you here. Say anything you want.

 

[buckwheat]

"Coolwhip" might be more accurate. I've not visited RBR for many months because of this chap (although Swiftsolo was a real piece of work) and it is too funny to see this mugshot. Some casting agent needs to get this guy some acting work on cable in one of the myriad of "Unsolved Mystery"-styled shows as the "heavy" - you know, as the wifebeater/killer/kidnapper/neo-Nazi/escaped ex-con/flinty-eyed moderator... Sorry for the off topic rant but that guy ruined that forum and runs it as his personal fiefdom allowing low blow personal attacks as long as they are in line with his views. Quite a civilized scene over here...

The guy is an idiot. Someone, maybe Digger, or Bro Deal, was joking around on RBR that Swiftsolo is Carmichael. If you notice Swiftsolo says he's from WA state, and the same city where Rocket 7's are made. That jerk may be Carmichael.

 

[Digger]

We're lucky to have you here. Say anything you want.

I think Betsy just means what she's allowed say in terms of being one of the potential witnesses if it had reached court. If Greg decides he is not finished with Lance, then maybe this restaurant conversation will become central again. And I agree with you, we're lucky to have Betsy posting here. I think to have Greg post here, even once, would be incredible....just hope he knows how much goodwill there is out there for him. Slowly but surely, he is being, has been, vindicated, even in the eyes of his critics.
Fantasy dinner line up would be Greg, Betsy, Kimmage and Walsh. No one would get a word in with Kimmage reciting lines from Lord of the Rings!!!

 

[Race Radio]

This case has made clear that Armstrong will go out of his way to get anyone that question's the myth. It is clear that Armstrong interfered with Lemond's business relationship with Trek and Greg may have a good case for tortious interference. Ironically his case would be weakened by the settlement which could be said to "make whole" Greg and Trek's issues.

Given Armstrong's reputation for childish pettiness would anyone be surprised that Trek is the only relationship of Greg's that lance tried to interfere with? Greg has a wide range of business interests, I would not be surprised if Armstrong tried to influence them much in the same way he tired to influence public opinion by smearing Greg in multiple interviews.

 

[buckwheat]

I think Betsy just means what she's allowed say in terms of being one of the potential witnesses if it had reached court. If Greg decides he is not finished with Lance, then maybe this restaurant conversation will become central again. And I agree with you, we're lucky to have Betsy posting here. I think to have Greg post here, even once, would be incredible....just hope he knows how much goodwill there is out there for him. Slowly but surely, he is being, has been, vindicated, even in the eyes of his critics.
Fantasy dinner line up would be Greg, Betsy, Kimmage and Walsh. No one would get a word in with Kimmage reciting lines from Lord of the Rings!!!

Yes, you're right. I don't know about dinner though. Armstrong's machinations are really revolting. Drinks might be a better idea, although I'm on the wagon. I just can't drink anymore, damn. I don't know which is worse, the hangovers or listening to the Pharmstrong nut lickers.

 

[The Crusher]

and if it is sent from a hotmail account from Arnie's house it would show his home IP address. This address just so happens to match the IP address he used to send other previous emails to the media.

Nope. The mail would arrive at it's destination either from a hotmail.com server, or from his ISP's mail server. In either case you see no IP address that's connected to Arnie, only with the service provider. Even if you work with the service provider and trace it back, his home doesn't really have an IP address. The ISP dynamically assigns addresses to customers as needed, and everytime the cable box is reset, or the neighborhood server is reset, this address will change.

 

[Race Radio]

Nope. The mail would arrive at it's destination either from a hotmail.com server, or from his ISP's mail server. In either case you see no IP address that's connected to Arnie, only with the service provider. Even if you work with the service provider and trace it back, his home doesn't really have an IP address. The ISP dynamically assigns addresses to customers as needed, and everytime the cable box is reset, or the neighborhood server is reset, this address will change.

Wrong, you can easily see the sender's ip address for Hotmail. Yes, not all DSL/Cable providers use static IP's but it is common for a consumer to have the same IP for months at a time.

If you would like to continue to discuss how the space aliens hacked Arnie's email the best thing to do would start a new thread click HERE

Edit: Just to make sure I was correct I sent an email from my Hotmail account to my work email. In Outlook I went to options then looked at internet headers and there under X-Originating-IP is my home ip address that I sent the Hotmail email from. Very simple

 

[MacRoadie]

I'm still struggling with how the Office Central de Lutte Contre la Criminalité Liée aux Technologies de l'Information et de la Communication, the office of the French government specifically tasked with investigating cybercrime, could fall for a trick so readily dismissed on an internet cycling forum.

And please, spare me the patented "Well, it's the French" or "Well, what do you expect from the French" or "They're French and they're out to get all Americans" arguments.

 

[Polish]

#3 Lance may be good for the sport to the people on the outside looking in i.e. from the fan and media perspective but to the people within cycling it's a far different story.

The "fan and media perspective" is important, most important. The sport is dependent on the fans. The fans pay the riders salaries. Pro Football Players get paid more than Pro Lacrosse Players because of the fans or lack thereof.

And Lance is not good for the riders? Really? Well boohoo for the riders waa.

Going off topic....and I have mentioned this before...Frankie is on my personal Podium of Top Three favorite play-by-play announcers in ALL of sports - will he be doing the Amgen Tour Tracker coverage again this year at the Tour of California? I hope so
(me and my daughter have followed the first few stages of the AToC in a rented RV every year since she was in 6th grade - she loves it! But back at work I listen/watch to the rest of the stages on the Online Live Tour-Tracker.
The marathon start to finish coverage, and the sometimes goofy guests they bring in to talk to, make for great entertainment

 

[MacRoadie]

Going off topic....and I have mentioned this before...Frankie is on my personal Podium of Top Three favorite play-by-play announcers in ALL of sports - will he be doing the Amgen Tour Tracker coverage again this year at the Tour of California? I hope so

I hope Frankie is nowhere near an announcing booth at this year's TofC.





Seriously though, as the new DS of KENDA Pro Cycling, I hope they get an invite and he spends the entire Tour in a team car, on the road. They can interview him from the car, but that's it.

 

[pmcg76]

The "fan and media perspective" is important, most important. The sport is dependent on the fans. The fans pay the riders salaries. Pro Football Players get paid more than Pro Lacrosse Players because of the fans or lack thereof.

And Lance is not good for the riders? Really? Well boohoo for the riders waa.

Going off topic....and I have mentioned this before...Frankie is on my personal Podium of Top Three favorite play-by-play announcers in ALL of sports - will he be doing the Amgen Tour Tracker coverage again this year at the Tour of California? I hope so
(me and my daughter have followed the first few stages of the AToC in a rented RV every year since she was in 6th grade - she loves it! But back at work I listen/watch to the rest of the stages on the Online Live Tour-Tracker.
The marathon start to finish coverage, and the sometimes goofy guests they bring in to talk to, make for great entertainment

As we point out time and time again, there were lots of fans before Lance and there will be lots of fans after Lance. Fact. I know in the US its great because you get access to all this cycling coverage you wouldnt normally and a US fan that great. Has the return of Lance increased my viewing possibilitites, not one bit, we have had Eurosport since 1989 which carries all the big races Lance or no Lance.

But then look at all the problems in Germany where doping has killed the sport stone dead. How many new races have sprung up in the US during the Lance era and how many will last. Contrast that with the number of events that have been killed of in Germany, Spain. Swings and roundabouts.

I live in a country where cycling was once huge because of Sean Kelly/Stephen Roche. Even out in the sticks where I lived, everybody knew who Kelly/Roche were. That all cahanged in the 90s, it became a nothing sport. Slowly it is growing again as cycling becomes a more popular leisure activity. Dont even get me started on Lance and the Tour of Ireland last year.

Good for the sport, in the US sure, everywhere else its the same. Mainstream media, yeah they all came because of Lance but then they seen the whole doping problem and cycling is wrote of as a doping circus.

 

[BikeCentric]

As we point out time and time again, there were lots of fans before Lance and there will be lots of fans after Lance. Fact. I know in the US its great because you get access to all this cycling coverage you wouldnt normally and a US fan that great. Has the return of Lance increased my viewing possibilitites, not one bit, we have had Eurosport since 1989 which carries all the big races Lance or no Lance.

But then look at all the problems in Germany where doping has killed the sport stone dead. How many new races have sprung up in the US during the Lance era and how many will last. Contrast that with the number of events that have been killed of in Germany, Spain. Swings and roundabouts.

I live in a country where cycling was once huge because of Sean Kelly/Stephen Roche. Even out in the sticks where I lived, everybody knew who Kelly/Roche were. That all cahanged in the 90s, it became a nothing sport. Slowly it is growing again as cycling becomes a more popular leisure activity. Dont even get me started on Lance and the Tour of Ireland last year.

Good for the sport, in the US sure, everywhere else its the same. Mainstream media, yeah they all came because of Lance but then they seen the whole doping problem and cycling is wrote of as a doping circus.

Here in America we just had a local race cancelled that was suppossed to be held in Levi Leipheimer's home town of Santa Rosa this coming weekend. It's a local crit that's been run on the same office park course for many years.

Even with all this popularity of our big cyclists in Lance and Levi those two can't even do anything about local races being cancelled in their own home towns. How sad is that?

I would argue that the 2000's crop of US cyclists has actually been terrible for the sport. Landis and Hamilton? Come on, you can't get more damaging than that. Armstrong and his Omerta enforcing BS has really turned off a lot of US racers and riders.

 

[Polish]

As we point out time and time again....
look at all the problems in Germany where doping has killed the sport stone dead. How many new races have sprung up in the US during the Lance era and how many will last. Contrast that with the number of events that have been killed of in Germany...cycling is wrote of as a doping circus.

Well, as we point out time and time again, maybe the problem in Germany has LESS to do with Lance and MORE to do with German dopers Jan Ullrich,
Erik Zabel, Stefan Schumacher, Danilo Hondo, Jörg Jaksche, Patrik Sinkewitz
Olaf Pollack and Markus Cronjäger.

BTW, the way the German fans treated Ullrich after his bust was very mean imo.

 

[flicker]

Here in America we just had a local race cancelled that was suppossed to be held in Levi Leipheimer's home town of Santa Rosa this coming weekend. It's a local crit that's been run on the same office park course for many years.

Even with all this popularity of our big cyclists in Lance and Levi those two can't even do anything about local races being cancelled in their own home towns. How sad is that?

I would argue that the 2000's crop of US cyclists has actually been terrible for the sport. Landis and Hamilton? Come on, you can't get more damaging than that. Armstrong and his Omerta enforcing BS has really turned off a lot of US racers and riders.

I don't know how much of the general public in the US know who Hamilton is.The blood doping has been done by German athletes for years in the Olympics. The people or media in Germany are full of BS getting in a huff about doping. Hippocrates they are. Germany has been doping for years in cycling. Same for US before Greg during and after. Sorry to here about your crit being canceled. Kings Ridge Saturday might get your mind off seeing riders go around the block in downtown SR.

 

[fatandfast]

Well, as we point out time and time again, maybe the problem in Germany has LESS to do with Lance and MORE to do with German dopers Jan Ullrich,
Erik Zabel, Stefan Schumacher, Danilo Hondo, Jörg Jaksche, Patrik Sinkewitz
Olaf Pollack and Markus Cronjäger.

BTW, the way the German fans treated Ullrich after his bust was very mean imo.

Germany, Ireland and the US all with declining interest. Has anybody considered that kids have 100's if not 1000's of other choices for recreation. The price of a starter bicycle above 1500 to be competitive? Can't win without SRM of some other device that really plays no part in your 1st 10 years in cycling. Yes there is a doping stigma, but the sport is looking more like figure skating than what Sean Kelly or Olaf Ludwig did? Lance's back story and his marveled ability to have kids w/o balls is the only thing keeping us going. He tweets and they come riding in Ireland,US and Australia. Getting regular kids on regular bikes..racing should be the top priority of most federations not **** tests.

 

[pmcg76]

Well, as we point out time and time again, maybe the problem in Germany has LESS to do with Lance and MORE to do with German dopers Jan Ullrich,
Erik Zabel, Stefan Schumacher, Danilo Hondo, Jörg Jaksche, Patrik Sinkewitz
Olaf Pollack and Markus Cronjäger.

BTW, the way the German fans treated Ullrich after his bust was very mean imo.

But if Lance is so important, why didnt the Germans still flock to the sport. They realised the whole sport was corrupt and ditched it, superman Lance or not. The German dopers are all gone but they didnt come rushing back this year to cover the race because Lance was around. So which is better for cycling, fixing the doding problem or having Lance around. Which gets the most coverage?

 

[Polish]

Here in America we just had a local race cancelled that was suppossed to be held in Levi Leipheimer's home town of Santa Rosa this coming weekend. It's a local crit that's been run on the same office park course for many years.....Armstrong and his Omerta enforcing BS has really turned off a lot of US racers and riders
.

The office park crit was cancelled because "Armstrong and his Omerta enforcing BS has really turned off a lot of US racers and riders".

Wow. But good for them...taking a stand and making a statement against OMERTA. Maybe a GroundSwell movement against "Lance and OMERTA BS" will begin in California! Maybe the office crit will resurface as the "Stand Against Omerta Crit". Cool.

After all, cycle doping started in Europe and infected North America and South America too. Greg LeMond and Eddie B were the ones who carried the doping "virus" here to America and the infection began. (Greg did not realize he was speading the virus of course, but hanging around with dopers Kelly and Roche what do you expect). And many young racers would soon be infected. Too bad they did not attack and kill the "virus" back then

Geez, getting back on topic...seems Greg needs to apologize to Lance not smear him. Maybe they can work side by side to finally, once and for all, clean up the Doping Problem that has existed in cycling for over a century.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Geez, getting back on topic...seems Greg needs to apologize to Lance not smear him. Maybe they can work side by side to finally, once and for all, clean up the Doping Problem that has existed in cycling for over a century.

Ah hah hah hah. You kill me dude.

 

[BikeCentric]

The office park crit was cancelled because "Armstrong and his Omerta enforcing BS has really turned off a lot of US racers and riders".

Wow. But good for them...taking a stand and making a statement against OMERTA. Maybe a GroundSwell movement against "Lance and OMERTA BS" will begin in California! Maybe the office crit will resurface as the "Stand Against Omerta Crit". Cool.

After all, cycle doping started in Europe and infected North America and South America too. Greg LeMond and Eddie B were the ones who carried the doping "virus" here to America and the infection began. (Greg did not realize he was speading the virus of course, but hanging around with dopers Kelly and Roche what do you expect). And many young racers would soon be infected. Too bad they did not attack and kill the "virus" back then

Geez, getting back on topic...seems Greg needs to apologize to Lance not smear him. Maybe they can work side by side to finally, once and for all, clean up the Doping Problem that has existed in cycling for over a century.

As usual you missed the point.

The crit was cancelled in Leipheimer's home town and THE POINT is that neither Levi nor his friend and team-mate Lance could do anything about it. I.
E they clearly don't have nearly as much clout in America EVEN IN THEIR HOME TOWNS as chamois-lickers like yourself would claim.

 

[BikeCentric]

After all, cycle doping started in Europe and infected North America and South America too. Greg LeMond and Eddie B were the ones who carried the doping "virus" here to America and the infection began. (Greg did not realize he was speading the virus of course, but hanging around with dopers Kelly and Roche what do you expect). And many young racers would soon be infected. Too bad they did not attack and kill the "virus" back then

Geez, getting back on topic...seems Greg needs to apologize to Lance not smear him. Maybe they can work side by side to finally, once and for all, clean up the Doping Problem that has existed in cycling for over a century.

Wait a minute, did you really just write this?! I am shocked that you even have the ability to type with the massive amount of mental retardation you have displayed here. I sincerely hope that you never bring any children into this world.

 

[BikeCentric]

After all, cycle doping started in Europe and infected North America and South America too. Greg LeMond and Eddie B were the ones who carried the doping "virus" here to America and the infection began. (Greg did not realize he was speading the virus of course, but hanging around with dopers Kelly and Roche what do you expect). And many young racers would soon be infected. Too bad they did not attack and kill the "virus" back then

This is just offensive on many levels.

 

[unsheath]

Geez, getting back on topic...seems Greg needs to apologize to Lance not smear him. Maybe they can work side by side to finally, once and for all, clean up the Doping Problem that has existed in cycling for over a century.

fella, you are living in la la land.

 

[elizab]

Greg had his bike company destroyed. He was smeared in the public with the blind support of the media more or less.
Frankie lost his job as a director when stories came out on the SCA legal documents where Frankie stated under oath lance doped. I was mercilessly singled out and smeared in the public. Two American journalists did a fair and balanced report from the SCA documents: Tom Goldman of NPR and Alan Abrahamson (then of the L.A. Times and now of NBC Sports). The only other media to talk to me was my local NBC affiliate news station. Lance smeared, lied, and smeared me some more all the while the media covered every word he said without giving me a chance to respond more or less.
After one year, Austin Murphy contacted us for a piece he was to write about all of this on the eve of "From Lance to Landis" appearance on bookshelves. He entered Lance's coveted (to those journalists who have integrity) blacklist after that article appeared in Sports Illustrated.
Three Americans to write about this and that's it. The others didn't give a rat's *** that lance was lying through his teeth casting aspersions on people who refused to go along with his charade.
After I presented a damning piece of evidence in the SCA case (to Frankie's immense displeasure), lance and/or one of his goons contacted the guy who is central to this evidence and threatened him had he not signed an affidavit supporting lance and dismissing this evidence.
Look at Filipo Simeoni. He's not treated like Basso now is he? He's seen as a pariah. Same with Jaksche. Kohl has provided details how's his reception by the peloton? UCI? What about Manzano?
Frankie's been warned in the past that to keep involved (not saying who said it or regarding what) he and I must shut-up or he won't have work. A colleague of Frankie's told another regarding how lance has treated me publicly, "....she got what she deserved; we all have to make a living..."

I was told by a pro cyclist that everyone knows I told the truth but he just shrugged his shoulders, "Look at what happened to you when you did."

Do you really think anyone wants to come forward with the truth? Lance is feared more than he is respected.

 

[flicker]

I did not know that Greg brought Eddie B. to the US. I do know that Throughout his career he was around dopers. After that he only attacked the 90s EPO thing which caused him to get dropped. Greg was either naive that people doped in other ways during his career or Greg considered other forms of doping non-doping. Or maybe he is like me and considers doping is OK for certain riders which I favor.

 

[Escarabajo]

Greg had his bike company destroyed. He was smeared in the public with the blind support of the media more or less.
Frankie lost his job as a director when stories came out on the SCA legal documents where Frankie stated under oath lance doped. I was mercilessly singled out and smeared in the public. Two American journalists did a fair and balanced report from the SCA documents: Tom Goldman of NPR and Alan Abrahamson (then of the L.A. Times and now of NBC Sports). The only other media to talk to me was my local NBC affiliate news station. Lance smeared, lied, and smeared me some more all the while the media covered every word he said without giving me a chance to respond more or less.
After one year, Austin Murphy contacted us for a piece he was to write about all of this on the eve of "From Lance to Landis" appearance on bookshelves. He entered Lance's coveted (to those journalists who have integrity) blacklist after that article appeared in Sports Illustrated.
Three Americans to write about this and that's it. The others didn't give a rat's *** that lance was lying through his teeth casting aspersions on people who refused to go along with his charade.
After I presented a damning piece of evidence in the SCA case (to Frankie's immense displeasure), lance and/or one of his goons contacted the guy who is central to this evidence and threatened him had he not signed an affidavit supporting lance and dismissing this evidence.
Look at Filipo Simeoni. He's not treated like Basso now is he? He's seen as a pariah. Same with Jaksche. Kohl has provided details how's his reception by the peloton? UCI? What about Manzano?
Frankie's been warned in the past that to keep involved (not saying who said it or regarding what) he and I must shut-up or he won't have work. A colleague of Frankie's told another regarding how lance has treated me publicly, "....she got what she deserved; we all have to make a living..."

I was told by a pro cyclist that everyone knows I told the truth but he just shrugged his shoulders, "Look at what happened to you when you did."

Do you really think anyone wants to come forward with the truth? Lance is feared more than he is respected.

Maybe one day REAL SPORTS would be brave enough to talk objectively about the doping problem and the OMERTA. I would really love the common public to know about this.

Betsy, we are proud of you. It takes somebody brave like you to talk about the truth of the problems of cycling.