LeMond and Trek Settle

[Polish]

Looks like someone caved. Who knows what nastiness would have been brought in to a trial. For all you who had your doubts about Greg's willpower, here is your answer.
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Going back to the original post...."Looks like someone caved"...?

Does anyone have insight as to why Greg settled out of court?
Was Greg made an "offer he could not refuse" money wise?
Was the prospect of a Jury Trial, maybe with Lance on the stand under oath, a situation that Greg would just as soon avoid - for the health of the sport or maybe the stress of the whole courtroom and media thing?

Now going off topic sorry - will Greg be going to France to watch/comment on this years TdF?

 

[Digger]

Going back to the original post...."Looks like someone caved"...?

Does anyone have insight as to why Greg settled out of court?
Was Greg made an "offer he could not refuse" money wise?
Was the prospect of a Jury Trial, maybe with Lance on the stand under oath, a situation that Greg would just as soon avoid - for the health of the sport or maybe the stress of the whole courtroom and media thing?

Now going off topic sorry - will Greg be going to France to watch/comment on this years TdF?

I's say stress would be a factor. It must have been hell for the guy, taking on a whole corporation.

About this year;s tour, I'd doubt it, as I was under the impression that when Patrice Clerc got fired, he washed his hands of the sport and made that comment about cycling being on a slow death march. With the UCI taking over the testing, he is absolutely right.

 

[Hugh Januss]

that is quite possibly the single most idiotic post ever on this forum. congrats

Seemed pretty accurate to me. I am assuming that what you meant was you don't agree. I think we can all agree the dude has some psycho looking eyes.

 

[BikeCentric]

Actually, it doesn't make sense precisely because I have a deep understanding of how email works. It would make perfect sense if you don't understand email.

They might refer to information found in headers. This information usually consists of domain names, not IP addresses. Either way, these headers are easily forged, and are of zero forensic value, unless verified by going back to other webservers and examining those logs directly. Although the header information for the last hop the email took when arriving at the recipient's server is usually valid.

They might also refer to log files on the recipient's mail server that list all incoming email connections. These would be reliable.

But the real problem is that any hostname or IP address on the recipients server, either in the log file, or as part of the email header, is going to be the address or hostname of another mail exchanger, something that is not directly associated with any individual, but with an organization. If I send my mail through Verizon, for example, all you'd know is that a Verizon customer sent the email. You'd need the cooperation of Verizon, and the luck that Verizon actually kept these enough log files around to figure out who sent which message. Or suppose I owned thecrusher.com, and sent email from there. In this case the mail exchanger would be a generic server run by my web hosting service, shared not just across multiple users, but multiple domains. Again, you'd need to hope that the hosting service kept sufficient logs, and would cooperate, or there's no way to connect any IP address to any individual.

The cooperation part is the real sticking point. The privacy agreement of any reputable ISP or hosting provider will not allow them to pass out this information without a court order. I've seen domestic cases where records were requested, and it's really hard, and takes a really long time. Internationally, I'd imagine that it would be almost impossible. And if it were possible for France to get a U.S. court order for such records, then they'd also be able to get a U.S. subpoena for the appearance of anyone they connected to the case, and none of them seem to be in prison right now.



Right. The cover letters alleging to be from the lab were forged. But the documentation that went with the cover letters was unaltered.

I find it very sketchy that this poster shows up on the day of this settlement and suddenly has all kinds of time to write gigantic posts muddying the waters about LeMond and Landis.

 

[Race Radio]

I find it very sketchy that this poster shows up on the day of this settlement and suddenly has all kinds of time to write gigantic posts muddying the waters about LeMond and Landis.

What is it with these guys, they all seem to confused quantity with quality.

 

[B.Rasmussen]

I find it very sketchy that this poster shows up on the day of this settlement and suddenly has all kinds of time to write gigantic posts muddying the waters about LeMond and Landis.

The only really interesting about these visits is the question if it's someone getting paid who will disappear with the topic or a complete nutcase like Cranky Jack who will defend his hero to the death.

 

[Escarabajo]

I suggest you read up on the Prisoners Dilemma.

This is the only problem I have with the Dilemma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma

The police have insufficient evidence for a conviction

In Floyd's case there was sufficient evidence already. So confessing would have yielded a smaller ban. The only problem of confessing is doing it within the rules of the OMERTA. Like Basso did. Otherwise he is doomed. In the case of Floyd, getting an extra year of ban outweighed the probability of not loosing the Tour de France. Which I think it would have never happened because the UCI would have appealed the ruling.

 

[RTMcFadden]

This is the only problem I have with the Dilemma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma

In Floyd's case there was sufficient evidence already. So confessing would have yielded a smaller ban. The only problem of confessing is doing it within the rules of the OMERTA. Like Basso did. Otherwise he is doomed. In the case of Floyd, getting an extra year of ban outweighed the probability of not loosing the Tour de France. Which I think it would have never happened because the UCI would have appealed the ruling.

That response was actually a reply to "Why would anyone admit to something they didn't do?"

I don't think Landis' case really fits the dilmena because it didn't involve two people and because I think he's innocent of what he was technically charged with. That is using a testosterone patch. I think the actual answer is a lot more complicated than that. And I think that's why he responded the way he did. He didn't actually do what he was accused of, he did something else. When I have time to plow through the data, in detail, I'll explain.

 

[BikeCentric]

What is it with these guys, they all seem to confused quantity with quality.

Well, they probably get paid by billable hours, so they might as well take their time writing numerous voluminous posts even if they make no sense...

 

[BikeCentric]

That response was actually a reply to "Why would anyone admit to something they didn't do?"

I don't think Landis' case really fits the dilmena because it didn't involve two people and because I think he's innocent of what he was technically charged with. That is using a testosterone patch. I think the actual answer is a lot more complicated than that. And I think that's why he responded the way he did. He didn't actually do what he was accused of, he did something else. When I have time to plow through the data, in detail, I'll explain.

Please don't. CAS Court shut the book on that one. It's in the past and I really doubt people on here want to re-live (or re-litigate) the case.

 

[Lifeshape]

Well, they probably get paid by billable hours, so they might as well take their time writing numerous voluminous posts even if they make no sense...

Not to offend the lawyers and advertisers here as there are plenty, but you are absolutely correct. To the point of, while rehearsing a summation "on the can," one gets charged. Gives new meaning to paying for shyte.

 

[RTMcFadden]

Please don't. CAS Court shut the book on that one. It's in the past and I really doubt people on here want to re-live (or re-litigate) the case.

You and the rest of your asshat brigade are more than welcome to not participate.

 

[Race Radio]

That response was actually a reply to "Why would anyone admit to something they didn't do?"

I don't think Landis' case really fits the dilmena because it didn't involve two people and because I think he's innocent of what he was technically charged with. That is using a testosterone patch. I think the actual answer is a lot more complicated than that. And I think that's why he responded the way he did. He didn't actually do what he was accused of, he did something else. When I have time to plow through the data, in detail, I'll explain.

If you do plow through data please start another thread in the clinic so this one is not highjacked

 

[Flicklives]

I don't think Landis' case really fits the dilmena because it didn't involve two people and because I think he's innocent of what he was technically charged with. That is using a testosterone patch. I think the actual answer is a lot more complicated than that. And I think that's why he responded the way he did. He didn't actually do what he was accused of, he did something else. When I have time to plow through the data, in detail, I'll explain.

If you took testosterone in April and withdrew blood in April, then reintroduced that blood in, say, July when you weren't taking testosterone...could that trip a positive test ?

Testosterone is also fat soluble. Paula Pezzo dropped a ton of weight right before she got popped and insists to this day that she hadn't taken any testosterone around the time of her positive.

 

[BikeCentric]

You and the rest of your asshat brigade are more than welcome to not participate.

Ah such a shame it is when the peons don't even appreciate your selfless efforts to teach them how to think like you do, isn't my good chap?

 

[BikeCentric]

If you took testosterone in April and withdrew blood in April, then reintroduced that blood in, say, July when you weren't taking testosterone...could that trip a positive test ?

Testosterone is also fat soluble. Paula Pezzo dropped a ton of weight right before she got popped and insists to this day that she hadn't taken any testosterone around the time of her positive.

Flick the T in Floyd's blood was synthetic. You don't even need to worry about the T/E ratio, lab misconduct, French hackers, crazy Arnie Baker, witness intimidation, or annoying lawyers that come on this board and type a lot.

Synthetic Testosterone.
In Floyd's blood.

That is all.

 

[pmcg76]

That response was actually a reply to "Why would anyone admit to something they didn't do?"

I don't think Landis' case really fits the dilmena because it didn't involve two people and because I think he's innocent of what he was technically charged with. That is using a testosterone patch. I think the actual answer is a lot more complicated than that. And I think that's why he responded the way he did. He didn't actually do what he was accused of, he did something else. When I have time to plow through the data, in detail, I'll explain.

You know what, Floyd was caught, he tested positive. He pleaded his innocence but it didnt work. We dont need to hear amy more than that.

You know how often this happens in cycling, almost any time a rider is caught. "I am innocnet, I don know how the drugs got in my body, the test must be wrong" ****s sake, we are tired of hearing it, is Floyd somehow different.

If you are going to go into detail on the Floyd Landis case, I wanna hear you offer the same defence to every other ****ing cyclist that ever protested their innocence. You gonna defend Rebellin, Ricco, Riccos girlfriends, Schumacher, Hamilton because all of these guys also claime they are innocent.

You know the difference between most of the people on here and you and a few others. People on here hammer anybody who is caught or suspected of doping. Look at the hammering Bradley Wiggins has received on here, for what? Yet you guys only seem interested in defending Floyd or Lance, if you guys actually took your heads out of their butts and gave all the other riders the same level of defence, you would actually get some respect but thats not why you are here.

Just read that infamous e-mail exchange between JV and FA, you think Floyd was innocent of doping?

 

[BroDeal]

CN's latest story includes this quote:

"“Absolutely not,” said LeMond’s lawyer Jamie DiBoise, when asked if the settlement terms prevented him from speaking about Lance Armstrong or other riders. “I expect Greg will have comments once the French finish their investigation of Astana.”

Depending on the outcome of that enquiry, the statement raises the possibility of further friction between the multiple Tour de France winners. The 2008 Astana team of Armstrong and eventual Tour winner Alberto Contador is currently under investigation after infusion kits and syringes were found in the team’s medical waste. No date has been set for the conclusion of that process."

Does this imply that Lemond might pursue litigation against Armstrong but wants to wait to see if Armstrong's DNA is found on one of the transfusion kits?

 

[BroDeal]

Coolhand, fat, angry Masters racer

That's Coolahand??? LOL. He has a double chin. How heavy is that porker?

He looks like lives in a trailer park and spends his free time oiling his guns while watching professional wrestling.

 

[ravens]

You know what, Floyd was caught, he tested positive. He pleaded his innocence but it didnt work. We dont need to hear amy more than that.

I am so sick of hearing about Floyd. He broke my heart as well as about a zillion other people.

If he needs a better place to crash, I have a very nice spare bedroom, he can have it until he is 80 years old, and happily offered. But I just don't want to hear about him or from him or innocence or whatever anymore.

I feel sad for his messed up life and divorce and hip and death of family and all of that. But just, enough already.

And, no, I don't feel the same for anyone else who has been caught. I believed in him for too long and it makes me ill. ok, i feel better.

 

[buckwheat]

That response was actually a reply to "Why would anyone admit to something they didn't do?"

I don't think Landis' case really fits the dilmena because it didn't involve two people and because I think he's innocent of what he was technically charged with. That is using a testosterone patch. I think the actual answer is a lot more complicated than that. And I think that's why he responded the way he did. He didn't actually do what he was accused of, he did something else. When I have time to plow through the data, in detail, I'll explain.

I'm serving time for murder. Now I know, I've killed a lot of people, but not the one I'm in here for. I'm innocent of that one.

What a dilmena this is!

 

[BroDeal]

That response was actually a reply to "Why would anyone admit to something they didn't do?"

I don't think Landis' case really fits the dilmena because it didn't involve two people and because I think he's innocent of what he was technically charged with. That is using a testosterone patch. I think the actual answer is a lot more complicated than that. And I think that's why he responded the way he did. He didn't actually do what he was accused of, he did something else. When I have time to plow through the data, in detail, I'll explain.

Where do these nut lickers come from? Innocent?

I am sure you will explain. I'll be waiting. I'm always in need of a good laugh.

 

[buckwheat]

That's Coolahand??? LOL. How heavy is that porker?

He looks like lives in a trailer park and spends his free time oiling his guns while watching professional wrestling.

That MF'er banned me like 6 times from RBR.

Who's that psycho that keeps coming back here.

Damn, I was doing that on RBR just to get back at that Coolhand ***.

 

[BroDeal]

That MF'er banned me like 6 times from RBR.

Who's that psycho that keeps coming back here.

Damn, I was doing that on RBR just to get back at that Coolhand ***.

He only banned me twice. I tried using the "contact us" link on both RBR and the corporate parent's site to explain why I felt my ban was unjustified. Never heard back from them.

That pic might open up some interesting trolling possibilities on RBR. Would have to wait until Coolhand is asleep so it stays for a while. Not that I would ever think of doing such a thing.

 

[buckwheat]

Where do these nut lickers come from? Innocent?

I am sure you will explain. I'll be waiting. I'm always in need of a good laugh.

He was doping with T. He wasn't using the patch though, he was using a gel, you understand now?

or he cut the patch out during training but the blood he withdrew and reinjected during the tour was tainted.

Aha, now I get it..

I'm starting to understand the Pharmstrong defender's logic.

You realize there are also people who get turned on by getting kicked in the nuts and other strange practices.