LeMond and Trek Settle

[Dr. Maserati]

How can you say this with a straight face? It started in 2001, when Greg couldn't resist commenting on Lance's association with Ferrari. This is what started the whole Trek problem.







In fact, I'd guess that in the last several years you'd be hard pressed to find an interview where he didn't mention Lance.

Now I'll grant you this much. It may well be that outside of mainstream media interviews, he doesn't talk as much about Lance. The media is all too happy to repeatedly dredge up stories that will sound juicy to their customers. But Greg has always had the option of not commenting specifically.

And then there's that stunt he pulled showing up at Lance's press conference a couple of years ago and asking him questions about doping. That was completely his own initiative, you can't blame the media with that one. And it's really hard to characterize that as some kind of normal thing.

And I'm not saying he has to be silent on drugs. it would have been better for both cycling and for Greg if his approach to dealing with cycling's doping problems had been more general, and refrained from specific athletes.

When you say "the stunt he pulled"?
That "press conference" was about how Lances short lived transperecy- what was he meant to talk about? which Oakleys he was going wearing for the Tour?

As you say- it was a "stunt", Greg eventually got derailed by Lance who told everyone that he would be tested anywhere, anytime- all his details would be made available online and of course he had Don Catlin with him - (Don who??)

 

[Race Radio]

It appears the interns at Tim Herman's law offices have been busy today. Need to spread as much disinformation as possible.

Better watch out, that is what got him in trouble in the first place.

 

[fatandfast]

"Tom".

It is not just vague, your observtion is wrong.
Prior to Gregs comments about the Lance/Ferrari connection you will only find Greg being nice about lance - and I dont believe he ever singled out a rider.

i think you need to spend more "than 5 minutes googling" on the subject.

+1. Lemond got more and more pist when people wouldn't look at his charts and graphs. He never said squat about Armstrong,he painted with the everybody size brush and people would ask" That includes Lance right?" his lack of a straight no was taken as a yes. Don't be surprised if Livestrong offers some Greg toilet paper to raise money. These 2 should go on twitter and have 1 group show up in black the other in white and have a gang fight to settle things once and for all.

 

[flicker]

Yeah I like it a twittering battle to the death Greg vs. Lance. The Belgian bookies will have a hayday.

 

[RTMcFadden]

So is this a tacit admission that you have no evidence whatsoever of Greg having doped? No former team mates, tests anything?

Except of course for those "iron" injections he took during the 89 Giro. Could they have been those special Belco "iron" suppliments.

 

[Lifeshape]

Amgen would be crazy to let Lemond anywhere near the press tent

Actually, I think that would be an interesting spectacle! He could paste his graphs and charts to protest banners and chant "Hell no we won't dope!"

 

[Race Radio]

Excpet of course for those "iron" injections he took during the 89 Giro. Could they have been those special Belco "iron" suppliments.

Nice talking point, but far from true.

The more interesting part of the story how it actually happened, not how Public Strategies has tried to spin it. After a Giro stage, After a message he came down to the hotel lobby for an interview with Bicycling, Bill Strickland I think.

He proceeds to tell Bill about the shot he just got. He tells him how it was a new thing for him as his entire career he has avoided shots and injections because he knew what they stood for. Even if it was a perfectly legal and common he still expressed how uncomfortable he was with it. Does any rational person really thing that if Greg was doing something illegal he would voluntarily tell a journalist about it?

It is comical to see the attempts by Armstrong's groupies to turn Lemond openly talking about uncomfortable he was with a perfectly legal and legit shot into the cornerstone of their "Lemond doped" smear campaign.

10 years of searching and that is the best you can find? There is 300,000 euros out there for you if you can do better.

 

[Escarabajo]

It appears the interns at Tim Herman's law offices have been busy today. Need to spread as much disinformation as possible.

Better watch out, that is what got him in trouble in the first place.

One of those even told me that He has been Googling, a mean, participating in cycling forums since before I was born. I wonder if during the Merckx era they had internet?

Then he signs as "Tom" like if we were idiots. Yeah, yeah, I am a lawyer and I can fool you all uneducated "Vulgar" people.

 

[Flicklives]

I think if Greg was going to challange the doping establishment I would have respected him a lot more if he had challanged doping at the heighth of his powers. He rode away from the best riders here as if they were 8 year olds on trikes. I knew he would be in the Tour by how he sat on the bike. Greg was total class on a bike. I do believe he beat doped riders on a regular basis. Why did Greg not challange the European cycling hierarchy when Greg was on top? That is the root of my peeve with Greg. If he did dope I wouldn't care as long as he did not point at other ie American tour winners.

excuse me one was a looser.

Besides not being able to spell above a 4th grade level, you know almost nothing about cycling.

EPO didn't come about until the very end of Greg's career. Even then he didn't realize that his decline was due to doping, he had assumed that his decline was as a result of difficulties due to his shooting injury.

Doping prematurely ended Greg's cycling career. And speaking out against doping has truncated aspects of his business career. If there was ever a tragic figure of doping, it would be Greg Lemond.

Meanwhile, Lance transcends the sport and had, still has, an opportunity to make a difference. At every opportunity he's made the choice to promote doping and protect cheaters.

Simeoni, Lemond, Swart, Frankie, Emma...all people, good people, with nothing to gain and everything to lose all have the same story. Meanwhile Lance, the megalomaniac, continues to attack, twist, and lie.

-The real Flick.

 

[Escarabajo]

Greg was forced to retract his naughty statements about Lance....

Trek was forced to say "Greg has a hard-won place in the Pantheon of bicycle racing,
and we are proud of what we were able to accomplish together".....

OK, now they are even.

That is 2:0 in my books:

1- Lemond did not retract
2- Trek settle and paid money. And even told him he was one of the greatest.

How is it that they are even?

 

[buckwheat]

It was the one and only Eddy unfortunately.

You and I know who it was, but the person who thinks there's no evidence against LA has no idea of the chain of events with Livingston who's been implicated in doping, and Hamilton who's convicted.

In his world, KL's and TH's association with with drugs doesn't emanate from Pharmstrong?

 

[blackcat]

Nice talking point, but far from true.

The more interesting part of the story how it actually happened, not how Public Strategies has tried to spin it. After a Giro stage, After a message he came down to the hotel lobby for an interview with Bicycling, Bill Strickland I think.

He proceeds to tell Bill about the shot he just got. He tells him how it was a new thing for him as his entire career he has avoided shots and injections because he knew what they stood for. Even if it was a perfectly legal and common he still expressed how uncomfortable he was with it. Does any rational person really thing that if Greg was doing something illegal he would voluntarily tell a journalist about it?

It is comical to see the attempts by Armstrong's groupies to turn Lemond openly talking about uncomfortable he was with a perfectly legal and legit shot into the cornerstone of their "Lemond doped" smear campaign.

10 years of searching and that is the best you can find? There is 300,000 euros out there for you if you can do better.

how much do you think that Public Strategies will be to Capital Sports and Entertainment and to Trek eh Race Radio?

Do you think StrongArm gets a cut rate from Public Strategies to CSE? Or full bill in Austin? They really should allow Mexico to take back Texas and the lonestar accede from the union. Then StrongArm is Mexican, and you can sick the Orangemen on 'im.

 

[eleven]

No you're not. It's obvious by your posts. Also you're quite possibly an Armstong groupie.

Lol...yes. Except for all the doping, I luvs the guy!

So this gives you the evidence that LeMond was doping? Not worth talking to you. No historical knowledge of cycling and limited reasoning ability.

One more time, because you seem as confused as the others by my statement: I never said I have evidence Lemond was doping.

He's saying you(a clean rider) could beat dopers in a one day race today, but that that there is absolutely no way a clean rider can beat an epo user in a GT if both riders have comparable natural ability. Prior to EPO a supremely talented rider like LeMond could beat guys on amphetamines and jacked on steroids. After EPO he had no chance in a GT because he couldn't compete with the higher "octane" and the recovery ability EPO conferred.

So just so we're clear, you believe every GT winner since about 1993 was doping?

 

[red_flanders]

So just so we're clear, you believe every GT winner since about 1993 was doping?

Personally I'd go 1991.

 

[red_flanders]

Nice talking point, but far from true.

The more interesting part of the story how it actually happened, not how Public Strategies has tried to spin it. After a Giro stage, After a message he came down to the hotel lobby for an interview with Bicycling, Bill Strickland I think.

He proceeds to tell Bill about the shot he just got. He tells him how it was a new thing for him as his entire career he has avoided shots and injections because he knew what they stood for. Even if it was a perfectly legal and common he still expressed how uncomfortable he was with it. Does any rational person really thing that if Greg was doing something illegal he would voluntarily tell a journalist about it?

It is comical to see the attempts by Armstrong's groupies to turn Lemond openly talking about uncomfortable he was with a perfectly legal and legit shot into the cornerstone of their "Lemond doped" smear campaign.

10 years of searching and that is the best you can find? There is 300,000 euros out there for you if you can do better.

Great post. Add EddieB's comments about Greg never taking so much as a vitamin injection (from earlier in his career). Not that EddyB is untainted himself, but he offered up that comment without prompt for no reason, just to point out what a talent Lemond was.

 

[eleven]

Personally I'd go 1991.

Well this is where we part company. I'd go about 1965.

But we agree on the general premise: Athletes use every possible avenue to improve performance.

 

[RTMcFadden]

Besides not being able to spell above a 4th grade level, you know almost nothing about cycling.

EPO didn't come about until the very end of Greg's career. Even then he didn't realize that his decline was due to doping, he had assumed that his decline was as a result of difficulties due to his shooting injury.

Doping prematurely ended Greg's cycling career. And speaking out against doping has truncated aspects of his business career. If there was ever a tragic figure of doping, it would be Greg Lemond.

Meanwhile, Lance transcends the sport and had, still has, an opportunity to make a difference. At every opportunity he's made the choice to promote doping and protect cheaters.

Simeoni, Lemond, Swart, Frankie, Emma...all people, good people, with nothing to gain and everything to lose all have the same story. Meanwhile Lance, the megalomaniac, continues to attack, twist, and lie.

-The real Flick.

EPO was actually commerically available in 1985 / 1986. So, it is possible that the "iron" injection he received wasn't actually iron, as EPO is clinically indicated for anemia.

 

[blackcat]

EPO was actually commerically available in 1985 / 1986. So, it is possible that the "iron" injection he received wasn't actually iron, as EPO is clinically indicated for anemia.

have an agenda much?

 

[Race Radio]

EPO was actually commerically available in 1985 / 1986. So, it is possible that the "iron" injection he received wasn't actually iron, as EPO is clinically indicated for anemia.

You really need to get your talking points clearer or you will just embarrass yourself.

1985 was when the human erythropoietin gene was isolated. It was not approved by the FDA until July 1989....but don't let the facts get in the way of your attempt to slime.

 

[Ripper]

Great news for Greg, great news for the charity that is also getting a cheque, and great news for me (because now Trek can STFU)

 

[buckwheat]

Personally I'd go 1991.

No Indurain was clean the first two years of his reign.

 

[red_flanders]

No Indurain was clean the first two years of his reign.

Uh huh.

 

[Joey_J]

Epo

RR said..
1985 was when the human erythropoietin gene was isolated. It was not approved by the FDA until July 1989....but don't let the facts get in the way of your attempt to slime.

It was in 1984 that Dr Lin (Amgen) isolated the EPO gene. 1985-1986 were spent on clinical trials and on 1/87, the New England Journal of Medicine, pronounced EPO as a raving success. EPO hit pro cycling in 1987. It was FDA approved in 89. The Dutch team PDM, was using EPO from 1987>. Just look at the “on hit wonders” on PDM in 87-90. Any rider on PDM from 87-89 was ahead of the doping curve, not behind it

 

[pmcg76]

RR said..
1985 was when the human erythropoietin gene was isolated. It was not approved by the FDA until July 1989....but don't let the facts get in the way of your attempt to slime.

It was in 1984 that Dr Lin (Amgen) isolated the EPO gene. 1985-1986 were spent on clinical trials and on 1/87, the New England Journal of Medicine, pronounced EPO as a raving success. EPO hit pro cycling in 1987. It was FDA approved in 89. The Dutch team PDM, was using EPO from 1987>. Just look at the “on hit wonders” on PDM in 87-90. Any rider on PDM from 87-89 was ahead of the doping curve, not behind it

Yet nobody else within the cycling world had heard of it, now that is strange. Maybe there were a few in 89 but before that I doubt it. Even Eddy Planckaert who rode for fellow Dutch team Panasonic admitted to taking EPO but only at the very end of his career in the 90s and said it was impossible that he was on EPO when he won Flanders in 88 as it still wasnt known in cycling. This wasnt under duress or anything, he honestly replied to a question he was asked on the subject of doping during a television interview.

Didnt Rooks, Theunisse and Marten Ducrot all go on Dutch television and admit to doping but I dont know if they mentioned what or when they took stuff. Also wasnt PDM doctor Win Sandes convicted of doping the team but dont think EPO was mentioned. Maybe one of the Dutch guys can clear those things up for us as they only took place in the Netherlands.

 

[pmcg76]

According to Robert Millar, LeMond was the 'John Wayne' of cycling so read into that what you will, Hinault was the 'devil' and the Scot didnt suffer fools gladly or was never particularly close to anyone within the peloton. Those were his honest opinions.