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[Polish]

Polish - I know you struggle with facts and the sports history so you may not know that the authorities already knew about EPO and it's effects, as CONI and the IOC were already trying to get Conconi to come up with a test by then.
Glad to help clear your confusion.

It was not CONI or the IOC that came up with the EPO Test - it was the French Lab LNDD. That is a well known fact.

And it took LNDD many years after 1993 to come up with the test.

Look, I understand Greg had a lot at stake in 1993. Also, I understand how he would not want to "spit in the soup" and tarnish the beautiful sport.

But he could have made a donation to the LNDD to help with EPO testing. Low key - maybe just a small press release. Or at least send a letter to the LNDD giving them a heads-up on the situation in Italy and Spain. Low key again. Professional, not sensational

 

[mewmewmew13]

Correct. Hopefully when USADA strike it might be the impetus for Lance to start paying back his victims.

I enjoy how LeMond stirs up so emotion in the Lance fans. They just can't stand the fact that he is the best American cyclist of all time.

lol
Think you hit it correctly right there hog.

 

[mastersracer]

lol
Think you hit it correctly right there hog.

+1 - I have a feeling most Lance fanboys don't know a thing about American cycling prior to the 99 Tour. Too bad - the look on Lance's face when an amateur Chris Horner beat him in a local race in San Diego circa 1991 was pretty funny...

 

[ChrisE]

+1 - I have a feeling most Lance fanboys don't know a thing about American cycling prior to the 99 Tour. Too bad - the look on Lance's face when an amateur Chris Horner beat him in a local race in San Diego circa 1991 was pretty funny...

Listen to this guy.

Yes, I'm sure amateur LA was distraught about amateur Horner beating him in 1991. Yes, you really put all of us LA fanboys in our place with this gem, I tell you.

 

[Polish]

What will the scoreboard read when Armstrong gets stripped of a Tour title or two, eh Edison?

That's not so hard.....lets see...carry the one divide by pi....

Ok

6>3
5>3

Any questions?

 

[ChrisE]

That's easy - it was in early 2001 that LeMond heard about Armstrong working with the good Doctor Ferrari and it was made public just before the Tour.
Glad to help clear up your continued confusion on this matter.

Yeah, he heard about it and then all of a sudden learned of LA's physiological numbers by osmosis at the same time, so much he could quote them on the phone when LA called him out of the blue. Pooof!! One less LA fanboy in the world lol.

LA's numbers were known, there was widespread skepticism in the press about LA. GL knew about EPO in 1993 apparently which apparently didn't stop him from being an LA fanboy until July 2001, when his jealousy and sudden convenient epiphany about Ferrari tipped him over the edge. It was also known LA was using Ferrari prior to GL's emergence from hibernation in July 2001. What an interesting month, July 2001.

Now, now more feeding the vortex, ChrisE!.

 

[mastersracer]

Listen to this guy.

Yes, I'm sure amateur LA was distraught about amateur Horner beating him in 1991. Yes, you really put all of us LA fanboys in our place with this gem, I tell you.

Horner had more natural talent (LA held a grudge against Horner for a long time). Lemond had way more natural talent than either one of them. Just ask another San Diego rider, John Howard. Even training no one could hold Lemond's pace - ask Doug Shapiro about that. Lemond was chronically overtrained and his poor form was the result of it, so the notion that he magically found form some LA fanboys here have suggested is wrong. LA had talent, but it wasn't grand tour talent. There's an old, pre-cancer article by Merckx on why LA will never win a Tour.

I was at the 91 Tour - most LA fanboys don't know a thing about that race. I think in retrospect that Tour symbolizes the changes in the peloton that were the end of Lemond and is the best evidence against the allegation that Lemond doped.

 

[Polish]

+1 - I have a feeling most Lance fanboys don't know a thing about American cycling prior to the 99 Tour. Too bad - the look on Lance's face when an amateur Chris Horner beat him in a local race in San Diego circa 1991 was pretty funny...

Mastersracer, you know you are old when you start mocking fans that have only been following the sport for 13 years. I hear you buddy, I hear you.

 

[ChrisE]

That's not so hard.....lets see...carry the one divide by pi....

Ok

6>3
5>3

Any questions?

I would like a link from the clinic cult showing LA doesn't have 7 TdF titles. I see my llittle 7>3 created all types of cute responses, and I thought most people in here had me on ignore after the pleadings of the clinic drug mule upthread.

This whole argument about LA and GL reminds me of one that has been going on forever in the golf forums....who is better, Nicklaus or Woods? At least that one is debatable. Nicklaus has 18 majors, and Woods has 14 but Woods played against better competition and has as many total wins. Now that is a debate.

Only a deluded clown would argue that somebody that has 2.33 times more wins in the greatest bike race vs the comparison is not the greater rider. Not only can Captain America defeat doped competition, but he can also brainwash his supporters. Good job, Captain America!

 

[ChrisE]

*snip GL fanboy conjecture/dreams*

I was at the 91 Tour - most LA fanboys don't know a thing about that race. I think in retrospect that Tour symbolizes the changes in the peloton that were the end of Lemond and is the best evidence against the allegation that Lemond doped.[/QUOTE]

Uh oh, another eyewitness expert. Well good for you. Unfortunately I only got to watch it on TV on the weekends, which means you are right about everything GL. I bow to your superior knowledge and experience.

You should hook up with scotty....he sat in the QS tent at the RVV last year. That means what he says about Cancellara's tactics in MSR are not to be questioned. Really! Just ask him. I don't argue with scotty anymore about racing tactics because no matter what I do the QS tent/racing tactic osmosis cannot be trumped.

With your eyewitness acounts and real time mingling with real racers you are very armed with irrefutable evidence. That little gem about LA being mad about losing to Horner means GL is the greatest thing in the world.

One question, dear sir. If I order some of the 8 hour DVD's of the TdF, does that mean I can comment on them or do I have to be there to have an opinion about what I see? Thanks.

 

[ChrisE]

No they don't.

They are perfectly reasonable reactions to a situation where the facts of what is going on are not fully known. As more information is revealed or discovered, so one's opinion develops or changes.

Lemond's comments over the years have been made with the prevailing knowledge, not the full picture.

BS. This guy is all over the map, then he is up LA's **** until July 2001. Truth hurts, dude. Live with it.

 

[Polish]

Horner had more natural talent (LA held a grudge against Horner for a long time). Lemond had way more natural talent than either one of them. Just ask another San Diego rider, John Howard. Even training no one could hold Lemond's pace - ask Doug Shapiro about that. Lemond was chronically overtrained and his poor form was the result of it, so the notion that he magically found form some LA fanboys here have suggested is wrong. LA had talent, but it wasn't grand tour talent. There's an old, pre-cancer article by Merckx on why LA will never win a Tour.

I was at the 91 Tour - most LA fanboys don't know a thing about that race. I think in retrospect that Tour symbolizes the changes in the peloton that were the end of Lemond and is the best evidence against the allegation that Lemond doped.

Horner and Lance were only teenagers back then lol. How old were you? 12?
What, did Lance make a poutty booboo face at Chris lol again.

Look Mastersracer, Chris and Lance have gotten over it. They are BFF's now. And Eddy is man enough to admit he was wrong. Good examples. Let it go. They got over it. No biggie. Overtraining lol. nomnom.

 

[MacRoadie]

The abject stupidity displayed over the last few pages of this thread is truly stunning. Somewhere on this earth, a good half-dozen villages are missing their idiots.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I would like a link from the clinic cult showing LA doesn't have 7 TdF titles. I see my llittle 7>3 created all types of cute responses, and I thought most people in here had me on ignore after the pleadings of the clinic drug mule upthread.

This whole argument about LA and GL reminds me of one that has been going on forever in the golf forums....who is better, Nicklaus or Woods? At least that one is debatable. Nicklaus has 18 majors, and Woods has 14 but Woods played against better competition and has as many total wins. Now that is a debate.

Only a deluded clown would argue that somebody that has 2.33 times more wins in the greatest bike race vs the comparison is not the greater rider. Not only can Captain America defeat doped competition, but he can also brainwash his supporters. Good job, Captain America!

You are one weak mealy mouthed pool of smegma. Before my vacation in Feb, you were sniffing my jock in a PM trying to buddy buddy up to me, and then when I was banned for a month, you took to your typical sniping little twerp posts about me. Now all you post about is "I don't like Armstrong and I think he doped, but I hate the Clinic anti-fanboy patrol most of all in my empty life, so I post time after time regarding that fact so that I can act all superior to the whole thing to gain some self-esteem totem because I have a pathetic life filled with people who know I am a fraud." You and your posts are a waste of bandwidth.

 

[Polish]

The abject stupidity displayed over the last few pages of this thread is truly stunning. Somewhere on this earth, a good half-dozen villages are missing their idiots.

It would have been 20+ abject stupid pages if the Maserati Vortex had kicked in. Nipped that one in the bud. nip nip.

 

[ultimobici]

Yeah, he heard about it and then all of a sudden learned of LA's physiological numbers by osmosis at the same time, so much he could quote them on the phone when LA called him out of the blue. Pooof!! One less LA fanboy in the world lol.

LA's numbers were known, there was widespread skepticism in the press about LA. GL knew about EPO in 1993 apparently which apparently didn't stop him from being an LA fanboy until July 2001, when his jealousy and sudden convenient epiphany about Ferrari tipped him over the edge. It was also known LA was using Ferrari prior to GL's emergence from hibernation in July 2001. What an interesting month, July 2001.

Now, now more feeding the vortex, ChrisE!.

His comments in 2001 were in reaction to the news that LA was still using Ferrari despite the allegations that had circled Ferrari for several years.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

It would have been 20+ abject stupid pages if the Maserati Vortex had kicked in. Nipped that one in the bud. nip nip.

At least you pull a dingle berry of something amusing out of your lower intestinal tract on a bi-annual basis...you're worth the bother just for that.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

His comments in 2001 were in reaction to the news that LA was still using Ferrari despite the allegations that had circled Ferrari for several years.

Don't argue with ChrisE, he is above (below) all of this. He is in a septic stratosphere of his own, unwilling to make an actual point other than the fact that everyone but him is an idiot.

 

[ultimobici]

It would have been 20+ abject stupid pages if the Maserati Vortex had kicked in. Nipped that one in the bud. nip nip.

If you're going to post attacking Maserati, at least have the decency to use the English language properly. "20+ pages of abject stupidity", although that describes many of your recent posts.

 

[thehog]

His comments in 2001 were in reaction to the news that LA was still using Ferrari despite the allegations that had circled Ferrari for several years.

Lance & Ferrari are close family friends. That's all.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yeah, he heard about it and then all of a sudden learned of LA's physiological numbers by osmosis at the same time, so much he could quote them on the phone when LA called him out of the blue. Pooof!! One less LA fanboy in the world lol.

LA's numbers were known, there was widespread skepticism in the press about LA. GL knew about EPO in 1993 apparently which apparently didn't stop him from being an LA fanboy until July 2001, when his jealousy and sudden convenient epiphany about Ferrari tipped him over the edge. It was also known LA was using Ferrari prior to GL's emergence from hibernation in July 2001. What an interesting month, July 2001.

Now, now more feeding the vortex, ChrisE!.

Oh good, you don't want to feed the vortex, where people make a claim and then spend the next 20 pages denying, trolling, deflecting etc.

Great - can you explain why it made such news in July 2001 that Armstrong was working with Ferrari (for the Hour record, no less) If it was so well known beforehand?
You can just link the relevant article, there is no need to comment, as discussing Armstrong in the LeMond thread upsets ChrisE. Thanks.

 

[Merckx index]

Only a deluded clown would argue that somebody that has 2.33 times more wins in the greatest bike race vs the comparison is not the greater rider. Not only can Captain America defeat doped competition, but he can also brainwash his supporters. Good job, Captain America!

So I guess you regard Roger Clemens as a greater pitcher than Sandy Koufax.

 

[slowoldman]

Scoreboard? Really? Ok I'll play.

2>1

World titles......next

 

[goggalor]

How many Ironman 70.3s did LeMond win?

 

[Mr.DNA]

So I guess you regard Roger Clemens as a greater pitcher than Sandy Koufax.

Heh heh. Yes, the 2.33 times more Cy Young awards speak for themselves...