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[Albatros]

You don't have to be a professor too look at those two bold parts and realise you are contradicting yourself.

It would be quite sad if you didn't realised that yourself.

I am talking about two different events if you haven't noticed, Giro and Tour.

 

[Albatros]

When you say, "Channel 4 Broadcasting", do you mean a TV channel issued a declaration of the meteorological conditions and gradient of a Tour stage, or do mean the ramblings of Phil & Paul?

Also - hard to beat a record when a TT of similar size (24km) has not been used since except for mountain TTs.

Talking about the English Channel 4.

The gradient I have calculated it myself. 75 meters in a distance of 24.5 kms. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

 

[BroDeal]

It sounds like some lonely bird bought a lot of yellow wrist bands and instead of throwing them away is trying to tarnish others in order to keep wearing them with the idea that everyone doped before Armstrong.

Trolling, please feed do not!

Where's a link to that Oliver Starr thread or is it buried in this one? The list of teams that "pro" rode on because LeMond cheated him out of his rightful career was hilarious.

 

[hrotha]

Why not? Everything is possible in the world of professional sport. What it is true, unless John Treacy is lying is that EPO was already known to athletes at that time.


May 19, 1991
New York Times

"I began hearing about EPO two to three years ago through the grapevine in running circles," said John Treacy, a silver medalist in the 1984 Olympic marathon. "The story was there was this new drug that would take over from blood doping, and that it was much better."

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/05/19/u...d-to-athletes-deaths.html?pagewanted=3&src=pm

Why not? Because 1989 is a very early date, so the chances of any particular rider being on EPO at that Tour are pretty low. Again, read the appropriate thread.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Talking about the English Channel 4.

The gradient I have calculated it myself. 75 meters in a distance of 24.5 kms. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

Ok, did "English Channel Four" issue a statement or was it Phil & Paul rambling on the telly?
Have you the profile of the stage or did you work it out from Wiki?

Btw- I am wondering why you bring up John Tracey's comments from 91, we have already threads here about EPO and it was apparent that it was known about well by 88.
But known about and having it are 2 different things.

 

[Albatros]

Ok, did "English Channel Four" issue a statement or was it Phil & Paul rambling on the telly?
Have you the profile of the stage or did you work it out from Wiki?

Btw- I am wondering why you bring up John Tracey's comments from 91, we have already threads here about EPO and it was apparent that it was known about well by 88.
But known about and having it are 2 different things.

Thye mentioned at one point that the wind was negigible. You can check on Youtube.

On the second issue "it was known to be much better than blood doping" Let's be precise on the quoting. I don't think John Tracey evaluation came from a clinical trial of the drug.

In other words, some athletes were already taking it, and we know that cyclists make great guinea pigs when it comes to drug testing.

Sorry, forgot to add. Regarding the profile of the stage. No idea. Tried to find a link but to no avail. What I know is that it was 75 meters altitude difference between start and finish, and that the distance was 24.5 kms. So that gives a 0.3% gradient if my maths are correct.

 

[Race Radio]

Talking about the English Channel 4.

The gradient I have calculated it myself. 75 meters in a distance of 24.5 kms. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

Nice tail wind the entire way, downhill, Short

All been covered....but you knew that

 

[BotanyBay]

I am going by what Otto Jacome, his masseur, said. That he was anemic and needed iron injections.

And in spite of his impressive result in the last ITT of the Giro, Lemond finished almost one hour behind Fignon.

I guess those iron shots started to take effect by the end of the Giro.

EPO doesn't just simply work like presto. You don't just take a few shots and suddenly have rocket fuel in your blood.

 

[Turner29]

Cadaver, eh?

1989

Het Volk, March 4, 17th

Tirreno Adriatico, March 9-15, 9th in stage 1 ITT, 6th Overall GC

Critérium International, March 25-26, 2nd in Stage 1, 8th in Stage 2, 16th in Stage 3 (ITT), 4th Overall GC

Ronde van Vlaaderen, April 2, 63rd

Tour of America, 3rd Overall GC

If you call this decent...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I am talking about two different events if you haven't noticed, Giro and Tour.

You must be a new follower of the sport of pro cycling then. Not understanding Fignon riding his balls of in first Giro followed by the Tour. Wouldn't he be a bit more tired in comparison to Lemond who 'freerolled' throughout the Giro?

 

[BroDeal]

If you call this decent...

Yeah, sixth in Tirreno Adriatico and fourth in the Critérium International is total crap. Someone who raced "with" LeMond on a bike shop team probably had much better results that spring.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Thye mentioned at one point that the wind was negigible. You can check on Youtube.

When you say they - you mean Phil & Paul, or do i have to put in Channel Four?

On the second issue "it was known to be much better than blood doping" Let's be precise on the quoting. I don't think John Tracey evaluation came from a clinical trial of the drug.

In other words, some athletes were already taking it, and we know that cyclists make great guinea pigs when it comes to drug testing.

You ask to be precise on the quoting and then misquote Tracey?
"The story was there was this new drug that would take over from blood doping, and that it was much better."

Sorry, forgot to add. Regarding the profile of the stage. No idea. Tried to find a link but to no avail. What I know is that it was 75 meters altitude difference between start and finish, and that the distance was 24.5 kms. So that gives a 0.3% gradient if my maths are correct.

So, it was downhill - thanks.

 

[BroDeal]

Sorry, forgot to add. Regarding the profile of the stage. No idea. Tried to find a link but to no avail. What I know is that it was 75 meters altitude difference between start and finish, and that the distance was 24.5 kms. So that gives a 0.3% gradient if my maths are correct.

And yet during all your figuring, biguring, calculating, conjugating, and conjuncting that function, you completely ignored this, which I will quote because it really says it all:

I love when the LeMond deniers trot out the whole "fastest TT ever" thing. They conveniently forget that such notable luminaries such as Helmut Wechselberger road the same TT @ 32.6 mph. With no aero gear... (I just picked him because he has a funny name. Some other lesser known guys went faster).

Folks need to chew on that one for a bit, then admit the reality that maybe, just maybe, the course had something to do with it.

In fact, you keep ignoring everything that everyone says.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Must be said, Lemond had EPO speed upon l'Alpe d'Huez:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjZt3kleCb8

From five minute fifty on. Sure thing, there's the evidence.

 

[noddy69]

Talking about the English Channel 4.

The gradient I have calculated it myself. 75 meters in a distance of 24.5 kms. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

So this gradient you speak of....was the TT on a straight road sloping over the course in a nice gentle manner to 75mtrs. Or was there a hill at the end...cause I just dont get why you would put a gradient over 24km course of 75mtrs....it could have dropped 200 mtrs and climbed 275mtrs......mind you I havent read the rest of the entries for context!!!!!!

 

[D-Queued]

... You can check on Youtube.

...

LINK!!!

BTW - even a punter like myself has hit 70 kph in a flat TT with a tailwind.

Dave.

 

[MacRoadie]

Anybody got any real proof yet that LeMond doped? Just checking.


And still waiting...

 

[Benotti69]

Anybody got any real proof yet that LeMond doped? Just checking.


And still waiting...

....you have got to learn how to fly for thousands of miles without landing before you can see the truth.

 

[Big Doopie]

Must be said, Lemond had EPO speed upon l'Alpe d'Huez:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjZt3kleCb8

From five minute fifty on. Sure thing, there's the evidence.

yeah, agreed, i love the way he changed his pedaling stroke and is spinning so fast to take full advantage of the new oxygen vector drug he obviously injected. and amazing how he was able to figure out how to do all these things without the use of a personal sports doctor (let alone a hematologist like ferrari)...because, yes, hard to believe I know, but there was a time when pro riders didn't walk around with a whole posse of blood doctors.

i am convinced! what a fraud!

 

[Jeremiah]

Hysterically funny $hit!

Why not? Everything is possible in the world of professional sport. What it is true, unless John Treacy is lying is that EPO was already known to athletes at that time.


May 19, 1991
New York Times

"I began hearing about EPO two to three years ago through the grapevine in running circles," said John Treacy, a silver medalist in the 1984 Olympic marathon. "The story was there was this new drug that would take over from blood doping, and that it was much better."

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/05/19/u...d-to-athletes-deaths.html?pagewanted=3&src=pm

Jan Gisbers of the Netherlands, coach of the PDM team, which is also competing in the race, said he had not heard of anyone in cycling using the drug. Any rider on his team who used any medical substance without the approval of the team's doctors would be dropped from the team, he said.

Yeah, I'll bet they would be! USADA should shine some light on the role of the doctors and holding hostages at gunpoint.

GTFOH...

 

[La Vie Claire]

If Lemond were doping, he should demand his money back b/c it was clearly not working after 1990. Try again Pharmstrong and Wigans fans.

 

[the big ring]

But known about and having it are 2 different things.

And the important 3rd component - how and when to use it so that
1. it enhances performance and
2. doesn't kill you...



Or are we conveniently forgetting the EPO deaths that occurred during this time?

 

[BigBoat]

Fingon did 41:50 on Alp D'Huez in 89', so Lemond would have done 42:20.

Guys Lemond's TT was not an exercise in massive power, atleast not an indication of what kind of speed is possible with doping on a bicycle.

Disco averaged 35.5 mph in their 2005 TTT. "clean" Chris Boardman averaged 34.7 mph during his prologue speed record.

I think Jack Bobridge's individual pursuit time is most impressive physically of all though, 35.7 mph.... In static conditions.

 

[blackcat]

they heat up the board in Adelaide in Jan BigBoat.

If he (Bobridge) cannot get around London and beat the brits, you know they have rigged a fast track in Jan at the nationals.

 

[the big ring]

they heat up the board in Adelaide in Jan BigBoat.
.

Please explain?