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[Albatros]

You must be a new follower of the sport of pro cycling then. Not understanding Fignon riding his balls of in first Giro followed by the Tour. Wouldn't he be a bit more tired in comparison to Lemond who 'freerolled' throughout the Giro?

freerolled? Not according to his own words. He tried to win th event but was so crap that ended 1 hour behind Fignon. Well, i f we believe him, cause even in the same conversation he changes his mind from sentence to sentence.

 

[Albatros]

So this gradient you speak of....was the TT on a straight road sloping over the course in a nice gentle manner to 75mtrs. Or was there a hill at the end...cause I just dont get why you would put a gradient over 24km course of 75mtrs....it could have dropped 200 mtrs and climbed 275mtrs......mind you I havent read the rest of the entries for context!!!!!!

Average gradient. The course was flat for most part.

 

[Albatros]

Why not? Because 1989 is a very early date, so the chances of any particular rider being on EPO at that Tour are pretty low. Again, read the appropriate thread.

Pretty low does not mean inexistent. At that time athletes were already using it. Or do we have to have a confession from a rider?

 

[Albatros]

If Lemond were doping, he should demand his money back b/c it was clearly not working after 1990. Try again Pharmstrong and Wigans fans.

Lemond didn't even beat "clean" Mottet (confesed doper) or Hampsten after 1990. He was doomed anyway.

 

[GJB123]

Pretty low does not mean inexistent. At that time athletes were already using it. Or do we have to have a confession from a rider?

No, but a minimum of proof would be nice other than that athletes might have used it pre 1990/10991 and that Lemond did an awesome time trial so clearly he must have been one of those athletes. It is always nice to play a game of connect the dots, but please do make sure you connect the right ones and that you don't cheat by inventing you own convenient dots.

Read the thread on early EPO-use in the clinic and then come back with some solid substantiation that Lemond did use EPO or any PED for that matter. Hell, if you can do that, you could contact Lance and you could be cashing a big, fat cheque any time soon.

Oh and please, please do elaborate how many of the other participants in that particular 1989 time trial were on EPO (Fignon, Marie, Wechselberger ) . You have been asked to address that point several times now and I think it is about time you answered it. If you don't, I might be forced to report for the troll you clearly are.

Regards
GJ

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Pretty low does not mean inexistent. At that time athletes were already using it. Or do we have to have a confession from a rider?

Average gradient. The course was flat for most part.

Lemond didn't even beat "clean" Mottet (confesed doper) or Hampsten after 1990. He was doomed anyway.

I copied a few of your newer posts - although it is a good summary of all your existing ones.

So, anything new for us on Lemond and that he doped - or do you want to give us the Phil&Paul weather reports again.

 

[BroDeal]

Oh and please, please do elaborate how many of the other participants in that particular 1989 time trial were on EPO (Fignon, Marie, Wechselberger ) . You have been asked to address that point several times now and I think it is about time you answered it. If you don't, I might be forced to report for the troll you clearly are.

He is definitely trolling. He ignores every post that shows the time trial was fast for everyone and continues to use it as "evidence" against LeMond. Now he has resorted to making stuff up, like LeMond trying to win the 1989 Giro.

 

[blutto]

yeah, agreed, i love the way he changed his pedaling stroke and is spinning so fast to take full advantage of the new oxygen vector drug he obviously injected. and amazing how he was able to figure out how to do all these things without the use of a personal sports doctor (let alone a hematologist like ferrari)...because, yes, hard to believe I know, but there was a time when pro riders didn't walk around with a whole posse of blood doctors.

i am convinced! what a fraud!

...btw he married into a family of doctors and his wife was a nurse, who oddly enough had a habit of showing at certain special times during GT's....these little dots may mean everything or maybe nothing at all....but they are dots...

Cheers

blutto

 

[blutto]

He is definitely trolling. He ignores every post that shows the time trial was fast for everyone and continues to use it as "evidence" against LeMond. Now he has resorted to making stuff up, like LeMond trying to win the 1989 Giro.

...that TT is also used as evidence that GL was a cycling god as well...just depends which side your butter your bread on doesn't it....

Cheers

blutto

 

[Kellys Big Sprocket]

He is definitely trolling. Now he has resorted to making stuff up, like LeMond trying to win the 1989 Giro.

Well said Sir. This is great forum intertainment. The 89 Giro was a great conditioner for Greg and from what I recall the final time trial showed the world his form, fitness and competitive edge was still there after the 20th April 1987 nightmare. DIAMONDS ARE MADE FROM PRESSURE !!!

Anyhow. his ADR boys lost him the Giro

 

[blutto]

EPO doesn't just simply work like presto. You don't just take a few shots and suddenly have rocket fuel in your blood.

....that is definitely not what I heard in the the Clinic where they know absolutely everything...apparently it changes cat 3 donkeys into Tour winning race-horses...a real game-changer they say...

Cheers

blutto

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

...that TT is also used as evidence that GL was a cycling god as well...just depends which side your butter your bread on doesn't it....

Cheers

blutto

It was a legendary day but to say just that day made LeMond a cycling 'god' is not fair imho.

What I find interesting is the fact LeMond broke omerta with his Armstrong attack yet not a single guy from his generation has stepped forward accusing LeMond of having double standards because he was on the juice as well, as stated by Albatros. Quite interesting I must say.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

...btw he married into a family of doctors and his wife was a nurse, who oddly enough had a habit of showing at certain special times during GT's....these little dots may mean everything or maybe nothing at all....but they are dots...

Cheers

blutto

Hey Blutto, didn't you once tell us your wife was a "medical researcher" or something- does she supply you with hallucinating drugs - just connecting dots here...

 

[blutto]

Can you not read? I posted LeMond's results for 1989. He had a decent March and April then placed 39th in the Giro.

I also seem to recall him being sick before the Giro.

....and on top of that sickness he had anemia....something that he had some real issues with after his brother-in-law mistook him for a turkey and shot him ( his hem numbers were @19 at one point) ....so halfway during the Giro he reached into the medicine cabinet and took the second best solution available, an iron injection ( which is also needed to support the use of you what )...and some b-12 ( which oddly enough is also a very effective masking agent for steroid use)..again could be nothing....just more little niggly dots...

Cheers

blutto

 

[blutto]

Hey Blutto, didn't you once tell us your wife was a "medical researcher" or something- does she supply you with hallucinating drugs - just connecting dots here...

....no... she specializes in all manner of blood issues....including EPO related issues...and she knows her field and its history...and how clinical trials are conducted...and the time frame for such tests( which gives you a real insight into when drugs are potentially available...though admittedly thru back channels...some underhanded but often thru established medical practitioners in special emergency cases )...something, btw, you didn't have a clue about when, a while back, we were discussing the introduction of EPO....

...and btw, her reading of the data, at my insistence( she is very busy girl and hates to needlessly carry my water) gives a potential availability date somewhere late 86 early 87...

...really appreciate the drive-by insult of my wife...ok I'm fair game, but my wife?...youse class nutin but class...at least you haven't sunk to the level of RR...very miniscule mercies that....but no X-mas card this year...

Cheers

blutto

 

[Dr. Maserati]

....no... she specializes in all manner of blood issues....including EPO related issues...and she knows her field and its history...

Cheers

blutto

You would want to have a word with Blutto - because he wrote this about your wife some time ago....

...first the idea of being clean does not begin and end with EPO...though EPO is definitely part of the cycling landscape at this point....

...second....if we are to apply the evidentiary rules used in these parts to lynch His Lanceness...someone should explain the rise of The Golden One from a Giro that began as a disaster in the making to the miracle of the 89 Tour to the Worlds....and this magic rise is, according to legend, due to injections of iron and B12 halfway thru the Giro....find below a post that states a position on the effectiveness of iron/B12 that has been confirmed by local specialists ( my wife is a medical researcher who is well connected with the local medical community so off-the-record chats are not that difficult to arrange )...this post is from....

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[Darryl Webster]

Jeeze, when are the mods gonna step in and close this thread?

Theres simply nothing of substance on Lemond, never has been.
This idiot Blutto is simply a wast of space.

 

[blutto]

Jeeze, when are the mods gonna step in and close this thread?

Theres simply nothing of substance on Lemond, never has been.
This idiot Blutto is simply a wast of space.

....thank you for your kind support...

Cheers

blutto

 

[blutto]

You would want to have a word with Blutto - because he wrote this about your wife some time ago....

....did you actually read that post?...or is this just a perfect example of the type of research you do...

Cheers

blutto

 

[Dr. Maserati]

....did you actually read that post?...or is this just a perfect example of the type of research you do...

Cheers

blutto

Yes, sadly I did read it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

....thank you for your kind support...

Cheers

blutto

Under the circumstances I'd say he was being kind.

 

[blutto]

Under the circumstances I'd say he was being kind.

...you're so right...as I was reading that I had this weird sense that I was being washed over by a huge wave of kindness...you are so perceptive to have caught that because I thought I was just imagining that...its just so nice to know that I am among people who are on the same wavelength as me...

Cheers

blutto

 

[blutto]

You would want to have a word with Blutto - because he wrote this about your wife some time ago....

...if you actually read that post you will find a big dot there...

Cheers

blutto

 

[Dr. Maserati]

...if you actually read that post you will find a big dot there...

Cheers

blutto

Where you say your wife is a medical researcher or the post where you said she isn't - no dots there, just lots of question marks as per usual.

 

[babastooey]

I watched a YouTube video of Greg - linked in this thread ...

Greg starts off by saying that his record average speed time trial in the Tour was helped by 5 km of downhill.

I have always wondered about how his record still holds up, despite improvements in equipment and dopers loaded to the gills. It is one of the reasons why I thought Lemond might be on something -- because it was after he was shot.

I think the answer is to replay this time trial in a future Tour de France. Final stage ITT into Paris, same course, with new bikes and current riders. Lets see if anyone manages to touch Greg's time. I wish they had done this ITT in 1995, or 2000.