LeMond II

[Semper Fidelis]

Greg got burned commercially when he was anti-dope. He has learned from his mistakes.

So now Greg is pro dope?

 

[the sceptic]

So now Greg is pro dope?

He is pro new generation and doping stopping with Lance.

How else was he supposed to get a job on omertasport?

 

[Digger]

haha!!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lan...g-stance-on-lance-armstrong-lacks-consistency

 

[thehog]

haha!!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lan...g-stance-on-lance-armstrong-lacks-consistency

Yes, good article. And well said by Landis.

“I would never pretend to know what I'd do in Greg's shoes. Nor do I know all of what went on between him and Armstrong,” Landis told Cyclingnews.

“I can certainly empathize with his personal distaste for Armstrong. However, his inconsistent treatment of riders who doped is troubling and undercuts his argument that Armstrong should be banned for life.”

Landis points to an episode from last year in which LeMond was seen at the Tour de France with former winners Miguel Indurain and Bernard Hinault.

“For example just last year he was seen waiving to crowds from a VIP car at the Tour along with Indurain and Hinault. Greg himself claims to have quit racing in the early 90s because EPO showed up and that is exactly when Indurain began winning. If clean riders were a victim of doping in the Armstrong era and he was a victim of doping in the early 90s then it defies reason why those two should be treated so differently,” Landis said.

“And for those who still have faith in the Indurain years, consider LeMond's comments last year that Pantani was one of the greatest ever. I think that should speak for itself. His wildly varying positions on different dopers are bizarre and indefensible. Greg needs to decide if he’s anti-doping or anti-Lance.”

 

[ChewbaccaD]

haha!!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lan...g-stance-on-lance-armstrong-lacks-consistency

Like I said yesterday (the post was deleted because it had a picture of you in it), Lemond certainly deserves to be questioned when he is supporting riders like Evans.

Good to see Landis agrees with me.

Good post Chewie!

 

[the sceptic]

haha!!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lan...g-stance-on-lance-armstrong-lacks-consistency

I like Landis for telling it how it is.

On the subject, Landis told Cyclingnews: “In my opinion Wiggins went from a hopelessly average climber to being the second best rider in the Tour in 2012. In 2011, the year Leinders joined the team, Wiggins transformed into a climber who was even better than he'd been in 2009.

“People are free to judge that for themselves and ask legitimate questions about Sky and their hiring policy.”

“In light of all of this, the comments from Greg, Armstrong, Leinders and Zorzoli, it's not surprising that virtually all legitimate sponsors have fled the sport. It is now financed primarily by bored wealthy men who need a reason to give their wives about why they spend so much time with young leg-shaving men in tight pants.”

 

[Digger]

I like Landis for telling it how it is.

Yes - he lays it out about USADA and their ridiculous suspensions which offer zero consistency, Wiggins, Greg, Zorzoli, how nothing has changed and is clearly alluding to Doug Ellis in the last line.

 

[thehog]

Yes - he lays it out about USADA and their ridiculous suspensions which offer zero consistency, Wiggins, Greg, Zorzoli, how nothing has changed and is clearly alluding to Doug Ellis in the last line.

I'm currently printing these paragraphs out to frame.

Just brilliant and ever so apt.

On the subject, Landis told Cyclingnews: “In my opinion Wiggins went from a hopelessly average climber to being the second best rider in the Tour in 2012. In 2011, the year Leinders joined the team, Wiggins transformed into a climber who was even better than he'd been in 2009.

“People are free to judge that for themselves and ask legitimate questions about Sky and their hiring policy.”

“In light of all of this, the comments from Greg, Armstrong, Leinders and Zorzoli, it's not surprising that virtually all legitimate sponsors have fled the sport. It is now financed primarily by bored wealthy men who need a reason to give their wives about why they spend so much time with young leg-shaving men in tight pants.”

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Yes - he lays it out about USADA and their ridiculous suspensions which offer zero consistency, Wiggins, Greg, Zorzoli, how nothing has changed and is clearly alluding to Doug Ellis in the last line.

And just prior to that, he lays out why you're so ridiculous:

"Indeed he certainly seems to qualify for a lifetime ban. I never thought that USADA's mission was one man"--Floyd Landis on why it's stupid to suggest Lance didn't get what he deserved because some other's didn't...and to suggest that Tygart only wanted Armstrong, and had no desire to clean-up the sport.

 

[Digger]

I'm currently printing these paragraphs out to frame.

Just brilliant and ever so apt.

Yes - Wiggins made a big mistake a few years ago by basically calling Floyd a liar when he talked about Lance.

His disdain for USADA shines through - he clearly has zero respect for their selective application of rules - stretching back to when travis offered him a deal for info on lance.

The words on greg are perfect and it's essentially what a few of us have been saying about Greg for a couple of years now...Greg's words on Pantani in the documentary were unreal. When he did precisely the same thing as lance.

 

[thehog]

Yes - Wiggins made a big mistake a few years ago by basically calling Floyd a liar when he talked about Lance.

His disdain for USADA shines through - he clearly has zero respect for their selective application of rules - stretching back to when travis offered him a deal for info on lance.

The words on greg are perfect and it's essentially what a few of us have been saying about Greg for a couple of years now...Greg's words on Pantani in the documentary were unreal. When he did precisely the same thing as lance.

Wiggins looks ever do more ridiculous as time goes by. Not just by his absurd transformation but by his knucklehead comments over the years. Surely Wiggo is not that thick?

 

[sniper]

Telling it how it is indeed.
(Otoh, no way Landis merely 'questions' Wiggins/Sky, but understandably that's as far as the skepticism can go in a CN interview.)

A pity the whistleblower case is keeping him from publicly discussing doping more often.
More generally I wonder how Landis is doing these days. Anybody in the know?
iirc, a year or two ago he had ideas about car racing.

+1 to Benson for getting him on the phone.
it seems by now Benson knows the dark ages aren't over yet.
I wonder will Brailsford/Walsh be offering him a job at the Sunday Times soon?

 

[blutto]

So now Greg is pro dope?

...well...not totally....but he most certainly has proved himself to be pro money....which unfortunately, given the way the bike "business" operates, does not allow one to be fully and truly anti dope....like if your money comes from a dodgy business how really anti-dodgy business can you be ?...

...sometimes wonder whether the anti-Lance campaign was primarily fueled by business considerations rather than moral outrage....

...his "performance" as of late seems to indicate the former...and the legitimate moral outrage expressed by many here could well have been used cynically as a mere vehicle of momentary convenience...

Cheers

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Yes - Wiggins made a big mistake a few years ago by basically calling Floyd a liar when he talked about Lance.

His disdain for USADA shines through - he clearly has zero respect for their selective application of rules - stretching back to when travis offered him a deal for info on lance.

The words on greg are perfect and it's essentially what a few of us have been saying about Greg for a couple of years now...Greg's words on Pantani in the documentary were unreal. When he did precisely the same thing as lance.

Okay, you can't read. Noted.

I guess since you have no respect for them, you'll be calling for Leinders to be reinstated soon. Fu^k the hypocrisy, am I right?

 

[thehog]

...well...not really....but he most certainly has proved himself to be pro money....which unfortunately, given the way the bike "business" operates, does not allow one to be fully and truly anti dope....

...sometimes wonder whether the anti-Lance campaign was primarily fueled by business considerations rather than moral outrage....

...his "performance" as of late seems to indicate the former...and the legitimate moral outrage was just used as a vehicle of convenience...

Cheers

LeMond is falling into the Walsh category of sponsored ignorance. The things money makes people do.

 

[the sceptic]

I'm currently printing these paragraphs out to frame.

Just brilliant and ever so apt.

I feel like Landis is one of the clinic 12.

Now I'm just hoping someone will ask Wiggo what he thinks about these comments..

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I feel like Landis is one of the clinic 12.

Now I'm just hoping someone will ask Wiggo what he thinks about these comments..

Right after he gets his new haircut and tattoo.

 

[Digger]

I feel like Landis is one of the clinic 12.

Now I'm just hoping someone will ask Wiggo what he thinks about these comments..

The last line shouldn't go unnoticed - clearly about Doug!!

 

[ChewbaccaD]

It's been a bad 12 months for Vino supporters and USADA haters for sure.

 

[thehog]

I feel like Landis is one of the clinic 12.

Now I'm just hoping someone will ask Wiggo what he thinks about these comments..

The barman at the Dog & Fox can ask Wiggo for a comment.

Although I do fear the bots will come out in force soon

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Floyd is definitely not one of the 12. Remember, the guy lives in a remote cabin like the Unabomber, embracing the spartan lifestyle engrained in his Mennonite roots. What limited access to news he has, is likely via carrier pigeon, or visiting a neighbor and cranking up the hand generator to garner a few minutes of computer/internet access.

Wait, I did come here to make a point. Floyd said that Greg not talking about Indurain (or only Pantani in a positive light) is hypocrisy. Perhaps. But Greg has said more than once in the past he focuses his attention in this matter on the United States, and American riders. Take that how you may.

 

[andy1234]

Landis is wrong. LeMond has been very consistent in his anti doping stance.
It's important when it can help him personally. Otherwise, not so much.

 

[sniper]

But Greg has said more than once in the past he focuses his attention in this matter on the United States, and American riders. Take that how you may.

maybe, but this was about the fairness of Lance's lifeban.
Lance's lifeban is not limited to the US.
It seems difficult to follow Greg's reasoning here in light of how he engages with other dopers.

 

[Digger]

Floyd is definitely not one of the 12. Remember, the guy lives in a remote cabin like the Unabomber, embracing the spartan lifestyle engrained in his Mennonite roots. What limited access to news he has, is likely via carrier pigeon, or visiting a neighbor and cranking up the hand generator to garner a few minutes of computer/internet access.

Wait, I did come here to make a point. Floyd said that Greg not talking about Indurain (or only Pantani in a positive light) is hypocrisy. Perhaps. But Greg has said more than once in the past he focuses his attention in this matter on the United States, and American riders. Take that how you may.

And in no way is this to you, as I know you are only relating this to us, but that's even worse.

And aside from it being worse, I don't see him saying much on Horner.

 

[gobuck]

Lance tried to ruin him. Everyone other than Lance gets a pass. Why is that so hard to understand?