LeMond II

[ChewbaccaD]

I'm glad you condone ilegal activity. I'm glad you like that he lied by saying he wasn't recording. That's good. But then you don't like Landis when he lied?

Not sure I undertand you sometimes. Maybe you just swap and change depending on the persons involved?



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/lance-armstrong-witnesses_b_742705.html

LeMond for the cash in the end. Good on him and his personal motivations. And illegal phone calls and lies

This has been shown to be incorrect. Just stop trolling hog, and move on to something you understand. I hear the Dryer Lint thread is open for commentary.

 

[D-Queued]

I'm glad you condone ilegal activity. ...

Not illegal.

Covered ad nauseum previously. Ad. Nauseum.

Moreover, no matter what you think of LeMond, it is inconceivable that he would have made it known he had such a recording if he hadn't confirmed that it was legal to have recorded it. In his case, the stakes are way too high.

People do stupid things all the time, but most people are not universally stupid.

Except cycling fans, apparently.

Dave.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Don't take the bait

 

[thehog]

Not illegal.

Covered ad nauseum previously. Ad. Nauseum.

Moreover, no matter what you think of LeMond, it is inconceivable that he would have made it known he had such a recording if he hadn't confirmed that it was legal to have recorded it. In his case, the stakes are way too high.

People do stupid things all the time, but most people are not universally stupid.

Except cycling fans, apparently.

Dave.

Sorry but it was illegal made more so by LeMond denying the recording was occurring when asked. You just can't do that. Lying is a bad thing. Even if your name is Greg LeMond.

I agree the stakes were high. LeMond was protecting his business investment. Cash.

Any more updates from ESPN sports?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Don't take the bait

You're right mew. Totally not worth it.

Good post mew!

 

[D-Queued]

Sorry but it was illegal made more so by LeMond denying the recording was occurring when asked. You just can't do that. Lying is a bad thing. Even if your name is Greg LeMond.

I agree the stakes were high. LeMond was protecting his business investment. Cash.

Any more updates from ESPN sports?

There is so much chum in the water that the sharks must be circling.

Don't take the bait

Got it.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

There is so much chum in the water that the sharks must be circlingGot it.
Dave.

That's dumb.

You make several claims about Landis and that's not trolling but it is when it's LeMond it is?

Got it.

 

[red_flanders]

Sorry but it was illegal made more so by LeMond denying the recording was occurring when asked. You just can't do that. Lying is a bad thing. Even if your name is Greg LeMond.

I agree the stakes were high. LeMond was protecting his business investment. Cash.

Any more updates from ESPN sports?

Since the legality has been explained to you, either state why it was illegal, exactly, or desist. Seriously.

 

[red_flanders]

Sorry but it was illegal made more so by LeMond denying the recording was occurring when asked. You just can't do that. Lying is a bad thing. Even if your name is Greg LeMond.

I agree the stakes were high. LeMond was protecting his business investment. Cash.

Any more updates from ESPN sports?

Since the legality has been explained to you, either state why it was illegal, exactly, or desist. Seriously.

 

[MarkvW]

Sorry but it was illegal made more so by LeMond denying the recording was occurring when asked. You just can't do that. Lying is a bad thing. Even if your name is Greg LeMond.

I agree the stakes were high. LeMond was protecting his business investment. Cash.

Any more updates from ESPN sports?

Hog, I think you've taken all the piss that there is. There just isn't any more to take.

 

[@NL_LeMondFans]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/lance-armstrong-witnesses_b_742705.html

LeMond for the cash in the end. Good on him and his personal motivations. And illegal phone calls and lies

LeMond for the cash... And it all goes out to charity... Bummer.

I don't know about you but if someone started making threats to me over the phone and tried to destroy my business, I'd start getting worried and protect my interests by recording phone calls, yeah.

What would you Have done ?

Duck and cover ?

 

[Bosco10]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/lance-armstrong-witnesses_b_742705.html

LeMond for the cash in the end. Good on him and his personal motivations. And illegal phone calls and lies

Wow.. Stephanie McIlvain was grilled for 7 hours! Well done?

 

[Digger]

Why are folks claiming that Greg lied during the arbitration when there is absolutely no evidence of that?


Cycling is crazy. So are cycling fans.

On that note, the only person other than Greg who won the Tour clean is Indurain.
Dave.

Because he did lie.


Second yes they are....see your post above.


Example of same: indurain beingg clean...he did test positive. He doped. He worked with a doping doctor. And had tests covered up.

 

[D-Queued]

Because he did lie.


Second yes they are....see your post above.


Example of same: indurain beingg clean...he did test positive. He doped. He worked with a doping doctor. And had tests covered up.

Aha. The earth is flat.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Because he did lie.


Second yes they are....see your post above.


Example of same: indurain beingg clean...he did test positive. He doped. He worked with a doping doctor. And had tests covered up.

McIlvain: Are you recording this?
LeMond: No of course not.

Recording finds it way onto the Internet.

I think the fanatics have managed to turn Greg LeMond into Lance Armstrong

 

[blackcat]

Since the legality has been explained to you, either state why it was illegal, exactly, or desist. Seriously.

he needs to state which state because then the legality can be determined

 

[blackcat]

Some of us are glad he recorded McIlvain.

She deserved it, the recording was legal, and the content should have been made public.

Dave.

but ethically grubby still. why lie. HE could have always walked away. Ok, the Treck family killed a business or two of his. And serious money. But Greg was not opposed to ambiguous ethics.

and i too could walk away from The Clinic and leave a Clinic 11 in my absence, but i am just having too much fun.

the only one to come out smelling roses, in the cycling escapade, is Betsy Kramar Andreu. And to a lesser case, Frankie, even with the doping. But Frankie owes a debt of gratitude to his great wife for opening his eyes in the pond he found himself in.

 

[thehog]

he needs to state which state because then the legality can be determined

I do like.

Considering the explanation was edited 3 times from 'not illegal' to illegal to "so what" back to illegal again in one post, my take is the legal expert doesn't know either and needed Google.

I'll take the Huffington Post over than marked up/swapped/changed editing style

It's fairly obvious some people are fans of Greg. That makes sense to want to defend him. Doesn't mean he didn't lie or what he did was potentially illegal.

Some people do lose their heads when discussing ther favourite riders/teams etc. Considering most had no idea that LeMond refused to answer questions at the Landis hearing and opted for the court of public opinion was disappointing. Hard to have a meaningful discussion based on ESPN Sports and not actual notes from the panel itself.

 

[red_flanders]

Easier to say "walk away" when it's someone else's money, work, plans, dreams, and pride at stake.

 

[red_flanders]

I do like.

Considering the explanation was edited 3 times from 'not illegal' to illegal to "so what" back to illegal again in one post, my take is the legal expert doesn't know either and needed Google.

I'll take the Huffington Post over than marked up/swapped/changed editing style

It's fairly obvious some people are fans of Greg. That makes sense to want to defend him. Doesn't mean he didn't lie or what he did was potentially illegal.

Some people do lose their heads when discussing ther favourite riders/teams etc. Considering most had no idea that LeMond refused to answer questions at the Landis hearing and opted for the court of public opinion was disappointing. Hard to have a meaningful discussion based on ESPN Sports and not actual notes from the panel itself.

If you'd have said potentially illegal instead of categorically calling it illegal no one would have corrected you.

If you need to speculate on posters' motives ("fans" as you put it) you are likely running out of facts.

 

[thehog]

If you'd have said potentially illegal instead of categorically calling it illegal no one would have corrected you.

If you need to speculate on posters' motives ("fans" as you put it) you are likely running out of facts.

If it wasn't illegal then I'm sure LeMond would have released the tape himself. Rather than leaking it anonymously.

I'm not speculating. I quoted actual outcomes from the hearing. Others played for EPSN updates outside of arbitration.

Those points weren't discussed because it makes uncomfortable reading for some. Take it as you will.

 

[thehog]

Easier to say "walk away" when it's someone else's money, work, plans, dreams, and pride at stake.

I don't disagree. But the Landis hearing wasn't the place for the LeMond/Trek/Armstrong dispute to play out.

Yes?

 

[blackcat]

Easier to say "walk away" when it's someone else's money, work, plans, dreams, and pride at stake.

yeah, and my post had that subtext implicit

 

[Digger]

Yes obviously the tooth fairy got Into the tape recorder and released it without Greg knowing....

Greg had a chance to blow all this open with the trek case. He took the money and settled. So it's a bit much him imploring landis to take a bullet.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It's fairly obvious some people are fans of Greg. That makes sense to want to defend him. Doesn't mean he didn't lie or what he did was potentially illegal.

Some people do lose their heads when discussing ther favourite riders/teams etc. Considering most had no idea that LeMond refused to answer questions at the Landis hearing and opted for the court of public opinion was disappointing. Hard to have a meaningful discussion based on ESPN Sports and not actual notes from the panel itself.

His adversaries at the time were doing some pretty depraved stuff too.

What would you have the guy do instead so he could be properly canonized?