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the sceptic said:
This sounds like something straight out of a Walsh book :confused:



doping stopped with Lance.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/promotio...ond-Cycling-needed-Lance-Armstrongs-fall.html

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thehog said:
LeMond said at the London Bike Show. When in Australia he was praising Evans.

I just hope he doesn't got to Syria anytime soon :rolleyes:

Can you sell bikes there? :rolleyes:

I think Lemond will happily praise dopers all over the world, as long as they aren't a threat to his legacy as the best american rider.
 
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This sounds like something straight out of a Walsh book :confused:



doping stopped with Lance.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/promotio...ond-Cycling-needed-Lance-Armstrongs-fall.html

Are you a Strava user?

There is no doubt that something is going on with cycling in the UK that is well beyond what is happening anywhere else. The fan turnout for this past year's TdF was a good example of that.

San Francisco is, by far, the most popular urban area for cycling in the US.

So, let's compare San Francisco at 24,910 riders, for example, with Manchester, England at 24,990 riders or Sheffield at 21,000 riders.

Ok, ok, the climates are a wee bit different with Wikipedia describing Sheffield as "cool, gloomy, and wet". Slightly less than ideal for cycling. San Francisco, on the other hand, has a "Mediterranean" climate. Perhaps that helps explain why nobody invented mountain biking in England. Aside from the lack of anything resembling a mountain or the lack of a decent wine industry.

The Manchester urban area has 2.6 million people and metropolitan Sheffield, the UK's third largest district, a bit more than half that at 1.6m. In comparison, San Francisco Metro area has 8.5 million. Thus, on a per capita basis, Strava users are running at a 4:1 ratio compared to one of the nicest places to ride in the US and the location of the highest number of Strava users.

The UK is light up like a Christmas tree on the Strava Global heat map

So, did you really want to argue that there isn't something amazing happening with cycling there?

As for doping having stopped, did anyone really say that?

Looks like LeMond said that we can be optimistic. At least that is what you quoted, so that must be what you are referring to.

I have said this many times here, and have never been alone in the opinion, that until and unless you take on Armstrong you can never turn the corner on doping.

Letting him go simply provided a green light.

Taking him on signals that, ultimately, doping is not tolerated.

Notably, with respect to the Cookson citation, we know damn well that the previous UCI administrations tolerated and, even worse, facilitated Armstrong. Thus, Cookson is a positive note and we are seeing positive change at the UCI.

So, go ahead and suggest that LeMond has claimed doping stopped, when he hasn't claimed that. His position as you quoted it, however, is logically sound.

Your post, on the other hand, is both misstatement and overstatement.

Now, if you want to take LeMond on about Wiggins. Feel free.

Maybe we should call it the LeMond test.

Once upon a time he thought he had a disease that made him go slower, instead of realizing that others were simply using EPO.

Once upon another time, he actually liked Lance. And Floyd. Now its Evans and Wiggins.

If he like you or thinks you are clean, then ergo you are a doper?

Dave.
 
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D-Queued said:
............snipped for brevity.........

Notably, with respect to the Cookson citation, we know damn well that the previous UCI administrations tolerated and, even worse, facilitated Armstrong. Thus, Cookson is a positive note and we are seeing positive change at the UCI.

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If Cookson is a positive note then the sport is doomed!

The sport needs wholesale change not a 'positive note'.
 
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Pat McQuaid, the United States, USPS/Disco, Lance Armstrong--meet--Cookson, UK, Sky, Wiggans/Froome...the emperor has new clothes...everything is cleans...
 
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2001: Lemond calls out Lance for working with a doping doctor

2015: Lemond calls Wiggins and Froome the greatest things ever and forgets they worked with a doping doctor

meanwhile he is saying that team wide programs are no longer cool, forgetting that Astana was doping half their team last year. Even more impressive that he also seems to have forgotten that the most recent tour winner rode for said team.

McQuaid is pure evil, Cookson is the voice of reason.

The hypocrisy is off the charts.
 
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:D

Aha! The Clinic 12 still has at least four members.

Am including myself, of course, to up the score. Kind of like putting my finger on the scale.

So, let's see:

Cookson good. No, Cookson bad.
McQuaid bad. No, McQuaid... good? :eek:
LeMond has optimistic view of recent success. LeMond has optimistic view of recent success.

Ok, partial agreement.

Dave.
 

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Digger said:
Greg saying donkey froome is a great athlete :rolleyes:

I believe Greg has become a member of Spinal Tap.

When he visits a bike show someone hands him a sheet of paper...

"England: Praise Froome, praise Wiggins, praise UK cycling, Armstrong bad apple", "Australia: Praise Evans, praise Australian cycling, Armstrong bad apple".... forgetting the Australian Government paid Armstrong $3m in tax payer dollars.

Is there not a photo of Greg hanging with Virenque?
 
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thehog said:
I believe Greg has become a member of Spinal Tap.

When he visits a bike show someone hands him a sheet of paper...

"England: Praise Froome, praise Wiggins, praise UK cycling, Armstrong bad apple", "Australia: Praise Evans, praise Australian cycling, Armstrong bad apple".... forgetting the Australian Government paid Armstrong $3m in tax payer dollars.

Is there not a photo of Greg hanging with Virenque?

yeah - two bros just chilling - doing their commentating - that's how greg rolls
 
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So, Greg doesn't fit in the tiny box people made for him ? Big deal. Get over it.

You want a white knight of anti-doping that fits your criteria ? Find me one.

You seriously expect Greg LeMond to go in Australia and say Cadel Evans is dirty ? You want Greg LeMond to go to the UK and say Wiggins & Froome are dirty ?

When did he apply for this job ?

Greg is just Greg, not what you want him to be.

That goes for the rest of us too, for that matter.
 
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@NL_LeMondFans said:
So, Greg doesn't fit in the tiny box people made for him ? Big deal. Get over it.

You want a white knight of anti-doping that fits your criteria ? Find me one.

You seriously expect Greg LeMond to go in Australia and say Cadel Evans is dirty ? You want Greg LeMond to go to the UK and say Wiggins & Froome are dirty ?

When did he apply for this job ?

Greg is just Greg, not what you want him to be.

That goes for the rest of us too, for that matter.

Yup everyone is what they are not what someone wants them to be. Just like all the folks on here chiming in one way or the other on the subject.

So why you here and trying to make them what you want them to be? :rolleyes:
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
So why you here and trying to make them what you want them to be? :rolleyes:

...gosh, aren't laser guided rhetorical munitions awesome to see in action...and just like in the videos a forking direct hit....like right down the chimney...

....nice work G-Team...

Cheers
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
Yup everyone is what they are not what someone wants them to be. Just like all the folks on here chiming in one way or the other on the subject.

So why you here and trying to make them what you want them to be? :rolleyes:

Hence my quote "That goes for the rest of us too, for that matter".
 
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blutto said:
...gosh, aren't laser guided rhetorical munitions awesome to see in action...and just like in the videos a forking direct hit....like right down the chimney...

....nice work G-Team...

Cheers

Hey Blutto - we should be ramping up our campaign soon! blutto-bubbles 2016 "leadership with marginal gains" :D

I'm disappointed in Greg's choice of who is cleans and who is Joe Deertay!

I still think he is the greatest cyclist in USA history. Nothing can change my perception of his performance on the bike. Has something to do with my age group / generation. Him - Andy H. and 7-eleven sorta glued me into this deertay sport.
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
Hey Blutto - we should be ramping up our campaign soon! blutto-bubbles 2016 "leadership with marginal gains" :D

...gee gosh wilikers with a slogan like that we is darn near a shoo-in ain't we?...do you think its premature to start planning our victory party?....

...."leadership with marginal gains", that is just genius, sheer forking genius....

...dang, you are on fire this morning!....

Cheers
 
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blutto said:
...gee gosh wilikers with a slogan like that we is darn near a shoo-in ain't we?...do you think its premature to start planning our victory party?....

...."leadership with marginal gains", that is just genius, sheer forking genius....

...dang, you are on fire this morning!....

Cheers

Yup, good one Glenn!

Dave.
 
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The King(Jesus) is back........:D


http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-greg-lemond-20150221-column.html


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Once shunned, Greg LeMond returns to biking world and road to success





Greg LeMond, America's original superstar cyclist, is back.

After years of being shunned by the cycling world for asserting in 2001 that Lance Armstrong was using performance-enhancing drugs, the now-vindicated three-time Tor de France winner (1986, '89 and '90) is on a roll. He hosts two Tour-related telecasts; founded and sold LeMond Fitness, maker of several top-ranked home exercise products; is rebuilding his long-shuttered brand of high-end road, mountain and adventure bikes; and has co-written "The Science of Fitness" with biologist Mark Hom.

The book focuses on mitochondria, the tiny motors in each cell that power muscular movement. The topic is close to LeMond's heart, as he was forced to retire early because his own mitochondria was (and still is) being poisoned by 35 lead pellets that were embedded in his heart lining and liver during a 1987 hunting accident. [He had some removed; the remaining pellets are in risky spots, such as in his heart lining.]

Today, the 53-year-old father of three plays tennis, fly-fishes, lifts weights, and limits his intense riding and cross-country skiing to about 60 minutes at a time to minimize toxic lead shedding.

Why were you so sure Armstrong was doping, and willing to say that when no one else dared?



There’s been a lot of smoke and mirrors in cycling the last 20 years, a lot of junk science. And my problem is that I know the science. I knew that Armstrong’s aerobic capacity — your VO2 max, your engine — was below that of the average pro. To explain how he could consistently win, people would say that Lance was more mechanically efficient than everyone else because of his new training secrets. I found this insulting to other athletes. Are you telling me that Lance made up a 10% to 20% aerobic deficit on mechanical efficiency in a sport that has been around for a hundred years? The human body doesn’t change. Suddenly he discovers this new revolutionary technique? Come on! There are no secrets!

Your stance against Armstrong brought you derision from the bike and sports worlds, your bike brand shut down and many were saying that you were just jealous. What was it like?


I'm just happy it's over. ... You know, psychological stress is many times worse than physical stress. Post-traumatic stress syndrome is when you're highly under stress for more than 60 or 90 days, and I went through quite a few years of that. It affects your health pretty dramatically. I'd get worn out, fatigued. Everything gets you — and you can't just hyper-compensate through exercise. And as much as I'd love to, I can't just hop on the bike and ride the stress away for four or five hours, anyway. That is physiologically bad for me.

Did you just say that the three-time Tour de France winner can't ride a bike?


I can, but whenever I do, the lead pellets in my body leak, essentially poisoning me. If I ride hard, they leak more. If I ride hard for over an hour, way more, so my doctors warned me to keep it to an hour. I keep doing research to figure out how to get the lead out [after activity]; my wife has got me taking pectin because a Russian study finds that it binds to lead. I've read about some toxin-removing nanotechnology out of the Bay Area that sounds hopeful. Ironically, when I broke my neck in a car accident last year and was laying in bed for three months, my blood was cleaner than it has been since I retired in 1994.

Describe your workout.


In an hour, I'll do five, six, seven 30-second sprints. Very specifically, 30 seconds builds your endurance and power and has lots of hormonal system benefits.

Remember that sprints work for everybody. They're hard but over fast and effective in every aerobic activity — cycling, running, swimming, cross-country skiing. Just 15 minutes a day of 30-second sprints puts much greater demands on your body than a long, slow hour.

I think cycling is the ideal workout for most because it has the addictive inertia, rhythm, fun, social interaction that makes it very doable for out-of-shape people to get their heart rates up, whereas running hard takes a pretty physically fit person. On a bike, just find a hill nearby and climb it fast, or input more resistance on your exercise bike and go for it.

Intensity changes your hormones, your insulin resistance, your mitochondria, raising their density and efficiency, upgrading your muscle power within a couple days. And it has a huge effect on brain function. People don't know this, but all aerobic exercise actually makes you smarter, more organized and more successful.

Smarter? That almost sounds too good to be true.

Well, I know it personally. I was an energy-packed kid. I had ADD [attention deficit disorder] — I was bouncing off the walls. School was painful for me. My fifth-grade teacher started crying when I saw her 10 years later, when I had become a champion cyclist. She said, "I thought you'd end up in prison" — and wasn't joking. Exercise and cycling saved my life. Exercise is great for kids — helps them focus, calm down, do better in school, stay healthy. It's why I'm such a big advocate of restoring PE classes to schools across the country. .
 
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86TDFWinner said:
The King(Jesus) is back........:D


http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-greg-lemond-20150221-column.html


... To explain how he could consistently win, people would say that Lance was more mechanically efficient than everyone else because of his new training secrets. I found this insulting to other athletes. Are you telling me that Lance made up a 10% to 20% aerobic deficit on mechanical efficiency in a sport that has been around for a hundred years? The human body doesn?t change. Suddenly he discovers this new revolutionary technique? Come on! There are no secrets!
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^This.

Should be applied to marginal gain BS, and anyone else saying that riding clean is magically easy now.

(and, yes, with acknowledgement to those who may find fault with some of his recent support for 'marginal' characters in cycling, it would be great if LeMond - and others of coruse - kept these fine words and excellent appraisal in mind when evaluating the current crop of amazing cyclists and their incredible feats.

Dave.
 
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