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He's been terrific watching him squirm and fumble his words and trying not to overstep the mark. Usually watch itv4 here in the uk but pre and post race switched to Eurosport.
I hope he makes millions and I'm so happy to see one of the good guys in cycling start to get what he's due.
Legend - have to disagree with my fellow legend kimmage in this case - he's doing his job and can't get on the high horse full stop.
I hope he makes millions and I'm so happy to see one of the good guys in cycling start to get what he's due.
Legend - have to disagree with my fellow legend kimmage in this case - he's doing his job and can't get on the high horse full stop.
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I have to find the link but he mentioned Froome was one of the greatest of all time.
Here it is...This is terrible.
http://road.cc/content/news/125428-...de-france-innovation-and-his-top-cyclists-all
Gavandope said:
Gavandope, you're new here (or maybe you aren't) but here's how it goes: Once the great Paul Kimmage has made good his pronouncement the SJW wing of the clinic must follow suit. No exceptions.
oh, wait ....
I see the real reason why Lemond has generated so much ire ...
sniper said:
He dared to compliment Garmin! I mean Sky and the UCi were bad enough... but Garmin? Snipey always had a soft spot for Garmin!
Elagabalus said:
Definitely new - everyone please provide links to additional login suspects and save me the bother - provide the evidence
Someone who doesn't follow sheep, realises every shade is grey and nothing is certain. Ex roid doper so as far as ped goes I've gone down the road a bit further than the great kimmage who only done some whizz, and maybe a lot who post here no doubt. Know dopers too and in my distant past spoke to those that knew a hell of a lot about doping. But only very briefly regarding cycling over a stag weekend in early 91.
LeMond is right - blood doping done the sport - clean riders could compete with roids and it's a grey area, not black or white that minor amounts of roids are not performance enhancing for riders. Sustaining/recovery more accurate. Excess amounts of it yes obviously, go check what dosages muscle heads take to add mass and how they rate andriol as a steroid. Then via scientific reasoning - it's called joining the dots I suggest that everyone does this instead of simply blindly following the mob. It took 7 years and Festina for a load of mine to all join up.
EPO/BB/experimental/gene doping for endurance events is the far bigger problem. It's a turbo and needs an even harsher ban than roids. Double the current penalties please authorities.
To add more fuel to the fire - Kimmage was partly to blame for how tough he found it clean cos he clearly describes taking it too easy off season and his preparations for rides was a typically Irish stereotype for many I know. It took lead shot to make Greg like that.
Paul is the king of the anti dopers but Greg's the wise true stumbling king of the palest shade of riders, sitting aside on their thrones.
Greg doesn't do absolutes - like every rational person really should. Nothing is black and white and he didn't show a brown tongue demeanour interviewing dopers, au contraire..
Sorry if I've rattled too many dummies in advance that's all them edits off my chest and now I'm off to bed
Lemond has stated before that he doesn't hate dopers and is happy that he met his career goals before EPO took root or he may have doped himself. As he has stated many times he hates the doctor, managers, and the entire system that enables and pressures riders to dope. You guys are kind of ridiculous if you think he should be treating every doper as persona nongrata. Or should be calling out every athlete or team that has some suspicion. Kind of ridiculous expectations.
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MonkeyFace said:
He hates Armstrong, what he stands/stood for, and what he did to him, and countless others.
That said, you're right to an extent. He has praised or "liked" guys like Cadel(who I don't think doped, but I'm just not sure), Froome, and Cavendish, amongst others. He's also thrown Miggy on his list of "all time favorite riders", and most here know Miggy's shady/questionable doping past(I don't know for sure either way, just saying what many here have and think that he did). I think he's looked at it as being more acceptable now, as the entire thing has become one giant mess.
Mig on his list of favourite riders - pantani one of mine, cool. Time has mellowed the anger of Edgar Mig the guinea pig into a magnanimous view for going borg on him in 91.
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MonkeyFace said:
This.
Greg has always been very clear that the real issue is the Managers and Doctors. After several years of hearing rumors of Lance's doping he made a mild comment about Lance's performance.....and Lance set out to destroy his life.
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Race Radio said:
Well it was more that David Walsh lead LeMond to the comment which was actually two questions & two separate responses which Walsh printed as one statement.
That was always the problem. The context was changed dramatically by Walsh in the published story. If anything Walsh can take some of the blame for that. He started the war and knew exactly what he was doing. It was creating the story for his own benefit.
He did the same to Emma. Nasty piece of work that David Walsh.
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thehog said:
Lance was on the warpath prior to this quote. A couple years before Greg Said lance's win was "Unbelievable" and wonderboy lost it. By the time this quote came around Lance was already actively smearing Greg to friends and Trek and Greg was well aware of what he was saying
thehog said:
Nasty piece of work - poppycock. A journalist with tunnel vision no doubt I would describe him, most good ones are. The Sunday times article has two responses, unfortunately the sociopath took it upon himself to unleash his wrath and humiliate him for speaking the truth and destroy his reputation and livelihood.
Emma he is culpable partly - but it's offset by the libel laws we have here in the uk. News International most likely would have implied to back off from a uk citizen living under our legal system. Kimmage after all is convinced he got the sack at the times when old/new uci despot sued him personally for landis quotes in a French paper.
Now Emma falls for the narcissists snake charm exilir and Walsh is now the bad guy in her book. It was a painful read and I can only think she's gullible at best or thick at worst.
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Forget Lance for the moment. We know what he was doing.
Walsh deceived Lemond, lead him to make two separate statements then Walsh joined them together as one which gave it new meaning.
Walsh knew what Armstrong was capable of and he knew LeMond's statement on the new American hero would cause furore when he manipulated the responses into one.
It was premeditated and deliberate manipulation from Walsh. With hindsight it's not surprising. He's been doing it for years and still up to the same tricks.
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Just so people know what I'm talking about:
The following statement as printed by David Walsh:
Was actually two separate question which LeMond answered independently. Walsh joined the answers together but the questions he asked lead LeMond to say what Walsh wanted.
It's also not exactly what LeMond had said.
Fairly despicable journalism.
The following statement as printed by David Walsh:
Was actually two separate question which LeMond answered independently. Walsh joined the answers together but the questions he asked lead LeMond to say what Walsh wanted.
It's also not exactly what LeMond had said.
Fairly despicable journalism.
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thehog said:
Not every thread has to be about Walsh. Keep it up and you might be accused of having a
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I agree, I always found Lemond tackle the issue as a whole and direct it towards the UCI than riders specifically. Lemond, like Kimmage in the documentary the other night, has often spoken about deaths related to doping as his main reason for taking this on. Kimmage was speaking Johanes Draaijer in the film and I think that affected Greg and Kathy at the time when it happened.
The one thing I disagree with Kimmage in relation to Lemond, is having a go at him on twitter for not addressing the Menchov issue on his show. Lemond is a ambassador for Eurosport and a pundit for the programme and doesn't dictate the theme of the programme. That would all come from above him in the upper echelons of Eurosport of which Stefano Berabino is a part of it. I ask why didn't Kimmage address it in detail in The Sunday Independent if he was so eager to highlight it. In-fact it's for the same reasons that I said in reference to Lemond, the theme of his reporting comes down from his superiors and have little interest in the topic. He has only written 2 or 3 articles in relation to the sport since he's been back to the work and that includes the Froome interview. That should tell you all. He wasn't even at the race this year.
Therefore I think his criticism of Lemond is extremely harsh.
The one thing I disagree with Kimmage in relation to Lemond, is having a go at him on twitter for not addressing the Menchov issue on his show. Lemond is a ambassador for Eurosport and a pundit for the programme and doesn't dictate the theme of the programme. That would all come from above him in the upper echelons of Eurosport of which Stefano Berabino is a part of it. I ask why didn't Kimmage address it in detail in The Sunday Independent if he was so eager to highlight it. In-fact it's for the same reasons that I said in reference to Lemond, the theme of his reporting comes down from his superiors and have little interest in the topic. He has only written 2 or 3 articles in relation to the sport since he's been back to the work and that includes the Froome interview. That should tell you all. He wasn't even at the race this year.
Therefore I think his criticism of Lemond is extremely harsh.
Completely agree digger. If you watched the latest Pantani film, accidental death of a cyclist, the attitude of LeMond towards Pantani was nothing short of staggering. Despite Pantini being a doper from amateur level LeMond describes him as one of the greatest climbers ever and completely glosses over the doping issue. In fact there are points in the film when the language used by LeMond would suggest that there is ever a question as to whether Pantani doped at all!!! Absolute bull. I have little if any respect for LeMond any more.
It is extremely apparent that while the Armstrong thing might have started off about doping, it is now deeply personal to LeMond and he is still at war with Armstrong.
It is extremely apparent that while the Armstrong thing might have started off about doping, it is now deeply personal to LeMond and he is still at war with Armstrong.
nomapnocompass said:
I haven't seen it...but I have heard him defend pantani previously.
One of the things he had a go at lance about was Ferrari - but it's seemingly ok for other riders to work with Ferrari.
He interjected himself into the landis story...testifies.
Then sings the praises of guys like Vino, Tinkoff and Evans.
But how he can stand there and say Pantani was a great rider and this shouldn't be forgotten, eventhough the guy doped since he was an amateur, whilst saying lance was top 30, at the very best, shows him up for what he is.
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What? Lemond didn't defend Pantani doping, he attacked the Italian NADO for singling Pantani out. Big difference.nomapnocompass said:
I did find him fawning over Pantani at times, but there is a strong case of Pantani being a combination of incredible natural talent and strong responsiveness to EPO. His results as a junior and in his early amateur years indicate this, along with tests done during his career and at autopsy.
Digger said:
Exactly, if you read Matt Rendell's excellent book it is pretty clear than Pantani was doping from an amateur level. Doping was simply ingrained in the culture of Italian cycling from amateur team level upwards.
As for the natural talent, again in Rendell's book, Pantani's blood data was shown and his hct was all over the place, up at close to 60% at times. If you think Pantani is amazing and talented then by that token Riis is as well.
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