LeMond II

[Digger]

LOL! I have no idea what you're talking about in relation to some "phantom phone call" you claim Greg made to Floyd, where is this info posted for all of us to see?

Also, You made no sense in trying to explain McIllvane. She lied FROM THE OUTSET on her/Jokely's involvement in the whole Wonderboy/Trashing LeMond fiasco.

AGAIN, SHE PERJURED HERSELF to back the other side, please tell me you're not this foolish to not comprehend this?

this isn't going well for you - you asked how greg lied - I said so - you don't want to accept this - not much I can do...her lies to the court make his lies ok apparently beforehand...

but you did ask where he lied and I told you...

moving on to Floyd - greg appeared at Floyd's case after volunteering that he phoned Floyd - greg gave a version at the arbitration which was later shown by other authorities to never have happened...

 

[Digger]

Huh. And yet Stephanie told Greg that she wouldn't lie for Lance... couldn't live with herself.

And let's be clear; Stephanie is the one who lied under oath (allegedly).

you keep ignoring that greg lied to her first - by saying well look at what she did later!!!

What part of greg are you taping this, no I am not, is not a lie?

 

[Race Radio]

He can't say anything more, because it doesn't exist more than likely or he would've been tripping all over himself to post it.

it's just hyperbol......he(Digger) is simply trolling IMO.

The outrage machine is all about hyperbole. Post a link to the tape over and over, revel in its content, praise it revelations.......then suddenly change track. It now becomes the proof of all that is evil.

Anger is an energy. Crank it up to 11

 

[Scott SoCal]

Correct. And the subsequent "baseball" call was from a person who perhaps knew she was bring mocked across the Internet and amougst her peers.

She chose her son over the truth. She never should of lied and it's not an excuse but it's a reason.

Same goes for the Floyd phone call. That went from a generalist private call between LeMond & Landis to a public "Landis confesses" statement. How did that happen?

And the subsequent "baseball" call was from a person who perhaps knew she was bring mocked across the Internet and amougst her peers.

Oh, I see. Threatening phone calls to Betsy is, erm, uh, understandable, uh, given the impending decision Stephanie was making to perjure herself (allegedly).

She never should of lied

Correctamundo.

 

[Digger]

Huh. And yet Stephanie told Greg that she wouldn't lie for Lance... couldn't live with herself.

And let's be clear; Stephanie is the one who lied under oath (allegedly).

I see you ignored the part about the Floyd call.

 

[86TDFWinner]

this isn't going well for you - you asked how greg lied - I said so - you don't want to accept this - not much I can do...her lies to the court make his lies ok apparently beforehand...

but you did ask where he lied and I told you...

moving on to Floyd - greg appeared at Floyd's case after volunteering that he phoned Floyd - greg gave a version at the arbitration which was later shown by other authorities to never have happened...

Actually, it's YOU it's "not going well for", you've been asked now almost a half a dozen times, to post what exactly you're talking about in relation to "Stephanie McIllvane being "trampled over by Greg", some phantom phone call you're yammering on about(which you still haven't produced any links for), and Lance.

Please post this info again(this is 6 times now you've been asked to produce this)



So, pick one: do you have any of this factual/credible info, or not? Simple yes or no answer will suffice.

 

[Race Radio]

you keep ignoring that greg lied to her first

......We have now reached the 2nd grade portion of the discussion.

 

[Digger]

Oh, I see. Threatening phone calls to Betsy is, erm, uh, understandable, uh, given the impending decision Stephanie was making to perjure herself (allegedly).



Correctamundo.

Wait - she never should have lied - but he was entitled to lie to her - jesus.

 

[Digger]

......We have now reached the 2nd grade portion of the discussion.

where you come in and start baiting? anyway while you're here - you have an opinion on him involving himself in the Floyd case and his version of events...anyway it's good to know you are ok with him telling lies...and ignoring why the tape wasn't admissible in court...

regarding 2nd grade - is that topless pics of lance, or trolling lance about horner?

 

[86TDFWinner]

The outrage machine is all about hyperbole. Post a link to the tape over and over, revel in its content, praise it revelations.......then suddenly change track. It now becomes the proof of all that is evil.

Anger is an energy. Crank it up to 11

LOL! Exactly. Now it's 'suddenly" "Greg has trampled on the good names of: Floyd/Uniballer/and Jokely" but I have no proof, nor do i know what I'm talking about.


You can't make this stuff up.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Wait - she never should have lied - but he was entitled to lie to her - jesus.

Huh? I thought you said earlier Greg supposedly lied to her first, which is it?

Also, (i ASK AGAIN) do you have the proof/link(s) to the supposed "fake phone call" You keep yammering on about that Greg supposedly claimed never existed?

How he lied to Steph before she did?

How he's "trampled all over Floyd's boy scout reputation"?

I'm anxious (like many here) to read this damaging info...so please share it with us?

 

[Scott SoCal]

I think I speak for Hog here when clearly greg didn't leak the tapes on purpose - he kept them safe....so how did the tapes get from his tape recorder to the internet....case for Matlock

Should be easy to demonstrate.

 

[Digger]

Actually, it's YOU it's "not going well for", you've been asked now almost a half a dozen times, to post what exactly you're talking about in relation to "Stephanie McIllvane being "trampled over by Greg", some phantom phone call you're yammering on about(which you still haven't produced any links for), and Lance.

Please post this info again(this is 6 times now you've been asked to produce this)



So, pick one: do you have any of this factual/credible info, or not? Simple yes or no answer will suffice.

you are aware greg phoned Stephanie prior to her testimony and recorded it? You're saying this is a phantom phone call?

 

[Race Radio]

Actually, it's YOU it's "not going well for", you've been asked now almost a half a dozen times, to post what exactly you're talking about in relation to "Stephanie McIllvane being "trampled over by Greg",

Maybe he is talking about how some used to post the tape here over and over? Using it to beat on the fragile Stephanie. So mean those evil posters. They must have been part of Greg's grand, evil, plan.

I've come across it.

http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2132106/m/gregstef.mp3

Do you want the link to hear what Stephanie said? Here, listen.

http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2132106/m/gregstef.mp3

That's the actual phone conversation.

Do you want the link to hear what Stephanie McIllvain said? Stephanie was also in the hospital room.

http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2132106/m/gregstef.mp3

Funny how things change with the outrage machine needs something to be angry about

 

[Digger]

Should be easy to demonstrate.

so how do you think the tapes made their way from his house to elsewhere?

 

[Digger]

Maybe he is talking about how some used to post the tape here over and over? Using it to beat on the fragile Stephanie. So mean those evil posters. They must have been part of Greg's grand, evil, plan.







Funny how things change with the outrage machine needs something to be angry about

yeah I posted it - did I get it from greg!!! Your links merely exemplify that greg leaked this stuff because I certainly have no dealings with him....if you read up, I said she lied, I also said greg lied - something you can't seem to accept. Regarding changing tack - like Horner and froome changing tack?
the content of those tapes merely underline that greg lied to her

 

[86TDFWinner]

you are aware greg phoned Stephanie prior to her testimony and recorded it? You're saying this is a phantom phone call?

Blah blah blah...STILL HAVE NOT POSTED ANYTHING PROVING ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID.......

 

[Scott SoCal]

you keep ignoring that greg lied to her first - by saying well look at what she did later!!!

What part of greg are you taping this, no I am not, is not a lie?

I get it - all lies are the same. No context, no consideration, it's all the same.

So, one more time, let's be very clear, let me ask;

When Greg told Stephanie he was not taping the phone call... did Greg know what she was going to say?

 

[86TDFWinner]

yeah I posted it - did I get it from greg!!! if you read up, I said she lied, I also said greg lied - something you can't seem to accept.
the content of those tapes merely underline that greg lied to her

I see......so you're only response in all of this is that we should all look down on Greg, and label him a mean, nasty, bad person because he lied to someone who's lied to him, and tried to ruin him? Got it!

I/we totally get your rationale here........

 

[Digger]

I get it - all lies are the same. No context, no consideration, it's all the same.

So, one more time, let's be very clear, let me ask;

When Greg told Stephanie he was not taping the phone call... did Greg know what she was going to say?

I have no idea what he though - the point is the same he lied - and if it was as harmless as is claimed, it would have been admissible.

 

[Race Radio]

yeah I posted it - did I get it from greg!!! Your links merely exemplify that greg leaked this stuff because I certainly have no dealings with him....if you read up, I said she lied, I also said greg lied - something you can't seem to accept. Regarding changing tack - like Horner and froome changing tack?
the content of those tapes merely underline that greg lied to her

I tried running this post through Google translate but unfortunately it does not have an Outrage to English option

 

[Digger]

I see......so you're only response in all of this is that we should all look down on Greg, and label him a mean, nasty, bad person because he lied to someone who's lied to him, and tried to ruin him? Got it!

I/we totally get your rationale here........

where did I say this that he's mean and nasty -

you think it's ok to do what he did to landis - I think not...I think he did it to get to lance...same with Stephanie.

 

[Digger]

I tried running this post through Google translate but unfortunately it does not have an Outrage to English option

I think that's what's called obfuscation - anyway let's get back on track here - Greg thread.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Wait - she never should have lied - but he was entitled to lie to her - jesus.

Look at it this way;

Had Greg not lied to Stephanie first you'd never know she lied under oath, only Greg would. Now, I doubt you'd believe him but maybe I'm not giving you due credit.

I realize you're having trouble with the difference between the two actions but I'll keep pointing it out in the hopes that it might sink in (at some point).

 

[Bluenote]

And there is a pattern - greg going to any lengths to get lance - no matter who he trampled - Stephanie, Floyd...phone calls - the latter a call that authorities established never happened as greg claimed.

And listen, greg is entitled to want to get lance - no question - but he's not entitled to sh** on others along the way - plus, as we've established by all parties, anti lance isn't anti doping.

I'm genuinely confused by the double standard.

Above you called Lemond out for "making nice" with various TdF winners, including Indurain. Yet, to my knowledge, there is no concrete proof that Indurain doped. A lot of circumstantial evidence and his connections to Conconi are beyond sketch - but no concrete proof.

And here you are calling Lemond out for - trying to get proof - that Landis doped, that Armstrong doped, etc...

So Lemond is supposed to ostracize people, even if he has no proof of their doping?? And he's a bad boy for trying to get proof that others are doping?

That doesn't even begin to make sense to me.