Lemond/McIlvain tape

[Oldman]

That media conference back in 2009 was a doozy.... some more choice bites here:

ON HIS CANCER MISSION
"Studying the international burden of this disease, we realised there’s a place for the LiveStrong message around the world. Those two things came together. Johan was receptive to the idea. I came here as a volunteer. I am racing and training every day for free. It’s a global initiative, if I am second, third or eighth or 18th in the Tour that’s okay with me as long as the message gets out there."

...and as long as expensed items include: Gulfstream, hotels, hookers, blow.

 

[washedup]

off topic
Just doing a refresher with tapes, thanks to Monte Zoncolon. Actually one of Betsy speaking on Irish Radio.

3 minutes 15 seconds into this interview http://www.hark.com/clips/rspcjxkfsh-betsy-irishradio4
Betsy alleges that Vrijman is a friend of Hein Verbruggen. And from what I am lead to believe, Verbruggen and Armstrong are business partners. ... and here is me once thinking the UCI had a lot of credibility.

BTW, I don't think the UCI were invited to the meeting with Novitzky in Europe. ...all beginning to fall into place

Anyway WADA slam the report http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-slams-the-vrijman-report

cheers all

So in the scenario that the Feds are going after the UCI as part of the investigation... is it possible that the UCI is forced to stop operating in the states?

 

[washedup]

James part has been covered quite a few times - but it can often get lost when there are so many threads, here is an old post I wrote that covers most of the Hospital room incident.

Thanks for the lesson... including the spelling lesson on his name.

 

[theswordsman]

Just listening to the NPR story.... It mentions a guy by the name of James Start. Apparently he testified that McIlvain told him the hospital room incident really happened.

Not that it adds anything more than a stick to the fire, but I am just surprised that I hadn't heard the story before.

From a 2006 NPR article

LeMond's account is backed up by a veteran cycling photographer and journalist named James Startt. He was also deposed in the case last year. Under oath, Startt said he ran into McIlvain at the 2004 Tour de France, and they had a brief conversation. Startt had heard about Armstrong's alleged admission of performance-enhancing drug use. In his testimony, Startt said "I asked her did it definitely happen. And she said, yes it did."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5508863

 

[Oldman]

So in the scenario that the Feds are going after the UCI as part of the investigation... is it possible that the UCI is forced to stop operating in the states?

Interpol may be assisting countries with the ability to pursue the UCI, including the US. If the UCI does get tarnished beyond recognition it then goes to the riders, teams, sponsors, etc to figure out who represents the New governing body, doesn't it? The UCI's reason for being, aside from apparent individual profiteering; is to validate cycling as a body that can compete in IOC events (which seems to be the same situation of individual enrichment). I'm hoping the IOC fingers get caught in this particular cookie jar, too.

 

[Dallas_]

So in the scenario that the Feds are going after the UCI as part of the investigation... is it possible that the UCI is forced to stop operating in the states?

I think you may have misinterpreted me or my wording is unclear. I have been known to ramble on.
I don't believe the Feds are going after the UCI nor would they have jurisdiction. Floyd and others have pointed out to Novitzky some of the present and past UCI connections. LA's donation to the UCI, Vrijman-Verbruggen-Armstrong are two examples. Taking these factors into consideration, The FEDS have not included UCI in the investigative loop. Therefore UCI was not at the round table in Europe.
Can you imagine the following possible scenario: By phone to Switzerland, a Texas person of interest being kept up to speed on current investigations. Novitzky does not want to be too far behind the eight ball or in this case one ball.

Is it possible that the UCI is forced to stop operating in the states? This will not happen. At the completion of Novi's investigations, there maybe a USA cycling hierarchy cleanup to remove muddy links. Am more inclined to believe no cleanup and business as usual. still rambling cheers

 

[Semper Fidelis]

The lies flow effortlessly.....there are plenty left of those samples. Wonderboy could have easily had a DNA test run

Vrijman Is indeed friends with Verbruggen. He also has a long history of helping dopers escape sanction. After his actions were exposed he admited that he suplied Katrin Krabbe with false, plastic, doping kits in order to prove that the labs are not working correct and to challenge their credibility. Krabbe won the case because Vrijman proved that the labatory made mistakes in the procedure. He did this during his presidency of the Dutch national doping agency Necedo! Of course Krabbe later tested positive again and was suspended.

In the anti-doping community Vrijman is a joke. That Wonderboy continues to point to him as proof is laughable.

Man RR this wonderlance really has you all messed up!

So much stuff. But I am with Hugh on this one the Pamela tapes are much better.

Who knew that Betsy A. could speak Irish! ...