Lemond The Last Rider To Win The Tour Clean?

[The Bald Eagle]

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[Escarabajo]

There is an exact same thread from the past. I'll dig it up and see what I find.

The conclusion was simple: Greg Lemond.

But soon after the LA lovers could not resist the reality and started a bloody fight to tarnish Greg's name.

I'll see if I can find it.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Greg, post shot-gun, was looking a little red and puffy in the tour...

 

[Cloxxki]

The last clean winner does not need to be a great champion, a smart PR man, or likeble at all. I don't see any big ones after him as having been clean. I lost my naivity through this forum.

 

[Escarabajo]

Here is a similar thread:

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=377

 

[jae2460]

Give me a huge break, people. They need to change the domain name to this site from http://www.cyclingnews.com to http://www.IloveGregLemond.com. The guy is clearly an ***, has a huge victim mentality going back to when he was riding and is just a whiny ****hole. Lance and all the others probably did dope but I'd still rather go back and rewatch those races than hear Greg Lemond whine or read more about your Lemond love.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yes Carlos Sastre's time of 39.31 in the 2008 Tour for his ascent of Alpe D'Huez, places him 17th on a list of best times for the Alpe. Amongst a bunch of known dopers. With Mr EPO himself Bjarne Riis just ahead of him on the list in 16 th spot with a time of 39.30. Now I am going to open up a whole can of worms here. But I have to confess ( definitely no names though ) that the rider I was talking to Rode on the same team as Carlos Sastre in 2009 ( yes the cervelo test team ) Well isn't that something. Quite controversial to say the least. One would think that he would say " Carlos Sastre was the last guy to won the Tour clean " Most people would say that Sastre was clean. But You never Know hey. Again You can't say that a man was dirty without evidence. But when it comes to the sport of cycling and its Doping History. Nothing would surprise a person. That is all I am going to say about this particular matter.

 

[CPAvelo]

On what basis, besides his own proclamations, is Greg Lemond regarded as the last clean rider to have won the TdF? Is it only because he competed before exogenous EPO was available? What about anabolic steroids? I know there is conflicting views about the benefits of steroids, but isn't it possible Greg Lemond and others used PEDs? Sport has a long history of cheating. Are we to assume cycling was immune before the EPO era?

I am not interested in disparaging Lemond. But, I also think one poster's suggestion this site should be renamed http://www.IloveGregLemond.com is over the top. Please pardon me if this has been discussed before. If it has, any links would be appreciated.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Dosen't all this talk about doping cause a great deal of cognitive dissonance amongst those poor souls that are so naive about the extensive use of performance enhancing substances in most Sports. I guess it does. After all Landis Himself said Santa Claus does not exist, it ain't real, I hate to be that guy but ect, ect. But come to mention it either is the tooth fairy, the Yeti, the loch ness monster and last but not least the delusional God that developed as a result of Human Evolutionary Psychology. What did Richard Dawkins Call it, ah yes " filling gaps with delusions " At least Lemond Was an honest and real champion. And Yes a clean Champion. So alot of credit must go to him. Enough said.

 

[The Hitch]

Give me a huge break, people. They need to change the domain name to this site from http://www.cyclingnews.com to http://www.IloveGregLemond.com. .

I hate when people come on and say this as its not the first time. Look at the forum for christ sake. Look at the road section. It has absolutely nothing to do with Lance or Lemond. We discuss present road racing and talk about current riders.

as for this subforum, yes Lemond is liked but you are free to post your opinion. As i understand other cycling forums dont let the Lemond crowd post their opinions.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Give me a huge break, people. They need to change the domain name to this site from http://www.cyclingnews.com to http://www.IloveGregLemond.com. The guy is clearly an ***, has a huge victim mentality going back to when he was riding and is just a whiny ****hole. Lance and all the others probably did dope but I'd still rather go back and rewatch those races than hear Greg Lemond whine or read more about your Lemond love.

And here come the Lance tossers.

Not one shred of evidence has been found against Lemond. No former teammates speaking ill of him. No former associates, nothing. Zero.

 

[blutto]

On what basis, besides his own proclamations, is Greg Lemond regarded as the last clean rider to have won the TdF? Is it only because he competed before exogenous EPO was available? What about anabolic steroids? I know there is conflicting views about the benefits of steroids, but isn't it possible Greg Lemond and others used PEDs? Sport has a long history of cheating. Are we to assume cycling was immune before the EPO era?

I am not interested in disparaging Lemond. But, I also think one poster's suggestion this site should be renamed http://www.IloveGregLemond.com is over the top. Please pardon me if this has been discussed before. If it has, any links would be appreciated.

ran across this little bit of info....you might find it interesting...and maybe changes the time-frame...

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In 1988 the German pharmaceutical company, Boehringer Mannheim (now part of the Roche Group) produced its own recombinant erythropoietin; epoetin-beta, marketed as NeoRecormon. ( from The Pharmaceutical Journal )


Cheers

blutto

 

[flicker]

You are talking about Le Mond the man who said Fignon will be most remembered as the one who took second to Greg. LeMond is a real charmer, Fignon had just died of cancer. I have heard from a friend of a team mate Greg has doped. If the dope didn't take and he is clean I won't respect Greg as a person, tour doper or tour cleaner fish.

This thread is a crock o mierda anyway. Who won the tour clean is irrelevant anyway. Unless you have great manlove for greggie poo. Cause it was when Greg started racing and is a dirty sport and I am sure he knows it. I have pictures of greg in belgium at 17, ya ever read a book called a dog in a hat? Who cares what and if Carlos S. doped ? What is the name of the rider talking trash about the former tour winners anyway.

 

[MacRoadie]

I have heard from a friend of a team mate Greg has doped.

Brilliant. Three levels of cowardice in one post.

Maybe one of you can go ahead and step up to the plate then, and (without anonymity) dispel all doubt and provide proof that LeMond doped.

 

[roundabout]

Ok, but who was the last rider to win the Tour clean before Lemond?

 

[flicker]

Brilliant. Three levels of cowardice in one post.

Maybe one of you can go ahead and step up to the plate then, and (without anonymity) dispel all doubt and provide proof that LeMond doped.

tell me would it make all you haters say Lance is OK and give me 10 grand.I do not work for free.

 

[henryg]

While it is impossible to know if particular Tour winners pre-EPO took any PEDS. It was certainly possible to win sans drugs before EPO in the Grand Tours. So it is possible that LeMond was clean.

Post EPO you couldn't even dream of a podium spot on a 21 stage tour without a sophisticated PED program. So everyone who came after LeMond was juiced for sure.

 

[flicker]

tell me would it make all you haters say Lance is OK and give me 10 grand.I do not work for free.

Also I need some Uzbekistanian body guards(no camel herders please) and a writ that Greg and family won't sue me or my heirs whether I am living or dead.

 

[MacRoadie]

tell me would it make all you haters say Lance is OK and give me 10 grand.I do not work for free.

Why does the self-admitted fact that your morality comes at a price not surprise me?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

You are talking about Le Mond the man who said Fignon will be most remembered as the one who took second to Greg. LeMond is a real charmer, Fignon had just died of cancer. I have heard from a friend of a team mate Greg has doped. If the dope didn't take and he is clean I won't respect Greg as a person, tour doper or tour cleaner fish.

This thread is a crock o mierda anyway. Who won the tour clean is irrelevant anyway. Unless you have great manlove for greggie poo. Cause it was when Greg started racing and is a dirty sport and I am sure he knows it. I have pictures of greg in belgium at 17, ya ever read a book called a dog in a hat? Who cares what and if Carlos S. doped ? What is the name of the rider talking trash about the former tour winners anyway.

You have pictures of greg when he was seventeen You dirty boy!!

 

[flicker]

Why does the self-admitted fact that your morality comes at a price not surprise me?

I do not care if Greg did or did not dope. If he did or knew other people who did he needs to come right out and say it. Otherwise he is a participant in Omerta. This naive stuff with Greg really irks me. Sorry to ruffle the Greg chamois sniffers out there I will shut up and now breath deep.

 

[blutto]

While it is impossible to know if particular Tour winners pre-EPO took any PEDS. It was certainly possible to win sans drugs before EPO in the Grand Tours. So it is possible that LeMond was clean.

Post EPO you couldn't even dream of a podium spot on a 21 stage tour without a sophisticated PED program. So everyone who came after LeMond was juiced for sure.

...which begs the question ( if we are to be fair and apply the ineuendo that seems to be a stock-in-trade tool of the Lance haters crowd)...how did the squeaky clean Golden Boy`s miraculous TT time withstand a couple of decades of assault by the most drug addled TT specialists in history and armed with very trickest of go-fast gear...

Cheers

blutto

 

[flicker]

...which begs the question ( if we are to be fair and apply the ineuendo that seems to be a stock-in-trade tool of the Lance haters crowd)...how did the squeaky clean Golden Boy`s miraculous TT time withstand a couple of decades of assault by the most drug addled TT specialists in history and armed with very trickest of go-fast gear...

Cheers

blutto

lets' not bring that factoid blutto.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I am neither a greg Lemond fan or hater nor A lance Armstrong fan or hater. I am not into any silly camp or divide. I just posted a comment from a current pro cyclist. About what his particular take was on something factual. It is not about who doped and who did not. It is about the history and future integrity of an extremely difficult sport. But most of all it is about the truth.

 

[red_flanders]

I do not care if Greg did or did not dope. If he did or knew other people who did he needs to come right out and say it. Otherwise he is a participant in Omerta. This naive stuff with Greg really irks me. Sorry to ruffle the Greg chamois sniffers out there I will shut up and now breath deep.

Who saw LeMond dope and what did he take? When? Why hasn't this person ever said so publicly?

Of course it's obvious that you just made this up, but I thought I'd just ask anyway.