Lemond/Trek new thread

[Earth Tribe]

Even the threat of this occurring cannot be good for Armstrong's mental preparation and training.

That's a good point. I hope it will give him more motivation, as the previous case did, but it might end up being a huge discraction. One cannot not know. As a sports fan I hope it doesn't effect his preperation and mental focus on the bike and we are able to see all of the riders next year settle their differences on the road rather than in a court room or for some other off road reason.

Trouble is, we have people admitting to what I claimed all along - that this case is being used to target Armstrong - so I guess it's pretty much part of their strategy to use the case to try and put him off for next years tour. Sadly I don't think these people would have a problem with that.

 

[BYOP88]

That's a good point. I hope it will give him more motivation, as the previous case did, but it might end up being a huge discraction. One cannot not know. As a sports fan I hope it doesn't effect his preperation and mental focus on the bike and we are able to see all of the riders next year settle their differences on the road rather than in a court room or for some other off road reason.

Trouble is, we have people admitting to what I claimed all along - that this case is being used to target Armstrong - so I guess it's pretty much part of their strategy to use the case to try and put him off for next years tour. Sadly I don't think these people would have a problem with that.

Think of it as karma. I mean Armstrong has never played or tried to play mind games with anyone, has he?

 

[Earth Tribe]

Think of it as karma. I mean Armstrong has never played or tried to play mind games with anyone, has he?

Only sporting mind games. Bit different to this attempt to destroy his reputation and career (which won't happen).

Anyhow, we don't know how this case is going - i certainly don't trust the source in this thread who has given us an upset - but it nevertheless seems that LeMond can't really lose whatever happens. Either he accepts a settlement from Trek and the groupies will say this is great victory for LeMond, or it goes to trial where they can attempt to run Armstrong's name through the mud, win or lose, which of course the groupies want more than anything.

That's why I have always supported the least bad option - that Trek settles.

 

[Race Radio]

It appears our resident troll has returned in another weak attempt to derail the thread. Don't blame him, the meds sometime don't work good when he has been drinking.

Everything I have written is part of the court record.

 

[hfer07]

I'd love to see the case being taken to the court down to the bottom of it--And I hope Greg keeps rejecting any kind of settlement at all--because at the end, this is neither about the bike, nor about money- this is about justice!!!!! The public needs to be shown the real c*nt that LA is, and what's really behind his phony titles.....

 

[Earth Tribe]

Everything I have written is part of the court record.

But you'll forgive me if I don't trust your interpretation of the evidence. LeMond could be doing terrible in this case but you'd still report he was doing great. By accident you may well be correct in your summary, but you are one of the biggest opponents of Armstrong so you naturally have your own agenda here.

 

[Race Radio]

But you'll forgive me if I don't trust your interpretation of the evidence. LeMond could be doing terrible in this case but you'd still report he was doing great. By accident you may well be correct in your summary, but you are one of the biggest opponents of Armstrong so you naturally have your own agenda here.

It is not my interpretation of the evidence, it is the judge's. He tossed out large portions of Trek's case yesterday and questioned the rest. The judge also noted in a footnote regarding Trek's sole surviving claim that the court had "reservations" regarding its "viability" and invited LeMond's attorneys to file a motion knocking it out as a matter of law when the record is more developed at trial.

He also footnoted that one of Trek's quotations regarding the law on best efforts was "misleading." What a surprise, Trek tried to mislead a federal judge......not smart.

If you take issue with his interpretation of the evidence then I suggestion you take it up with him. I am sure he will be as eager to hear your opinion as the rest of us are.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Only sporting mind games. Bit different to this attempt to destroy his reputation and career (which won't happen).

Anyhow, we don't know how this case is going - i certainly don't trust the source in this thread who has given us an upset - but it nevertheless seems that LeMond can't really lose whatever happens. Either he accepts a settlement from Trek and the groupies will say this is great victory for LeMond, or it goes to trial where they can attempt to run Armstrong's name through the mud, win or lose, which of course the groupies want more than anything.

That's why I have always supported the least bad option - that Trek settles.

Explain that please - are you saying you don't have the confidence in the American legal system?

And Armstrong shouldn't be worried - as he said on CNN recently while he was promoting his new bookhe said, "If you dont want it to be in the paper, don't do it".

 

[Earth Tribe]

It is not my interpretation of the evidence, it is the judge's.

But you're not the judge. Given what a strong supporter you are for LeMond, you could well be omitting key information for the defence and presenting the rest of it in a way that wasn't quite intended. We don't know the nuance. Then again you could well be right in everything you report, it's just unfortunate that it's you that is relaying the information. It would be like taking at face value everything Armstrong says on his twitter.

 

[Earth Tribe]

Explain that please - are you saying you don't have the confidence in the American legal system?

Well they openly want to use the case to get everybody they can think of under the sun to throw as much mud at Armstrong as they can, whether or not they win the case against Trek. This is all open. Trek is really the secondary issue of the case. I think its sad really.

The American justice system has been known to turn cases into quite a spectacle and circus, so yes I don't have faith in that part of it. Lets hope that is not the case in this instance.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well they openly want to use the case to get everybody they can think of under the sun to throw as much mud at Armstrong as they can, whether or not they win the case against Trek. This is all open. Trek is really the secondary issue of the case. I think its sad really.

The American justice system has been known to turn cases into quite a spectacle and circus, so yes I don't have faith in that part of it. Lets hope that is not the case in this instance.

They?
I presume you mean Lemond and his legal team? The Judge appears to have ruled that Lance being clean or not is part of the case.

So I am suprised you want Greg to settle - if Lance is clean the mud won't stick

 

[Race Radio]

But you're not the judge. Given what a strong supporter you are for LeMond, you could well be omitting key information for the defence and presenting the rest of it in a way that wasn't quite intended. We don't know the nuance. Then again you could well be right in everything you report, it's just unfortunate that it's you that is relaying the information. It would be like taking at face value everything Armstrong says on his twitter.

It always comes down to a big conspiracy for you. You are free to read the courts decision and provide an alternative interpretation.

 

[Earth Tribe]

It always comes down to a big conspiracy for you. You are free to read the courts decision and provide an alternative interpretation.

It's not a conspiracy to highlight that you are incredibly biased in this case. In your last post you say:

What a surprise, Trek tried to mislead a federal judge

The judge would have to stand down if he said something like that. Everybody knows where you stand.

 

[Earth Tribe]

They?
I presume you mean Lemond and his legal team? The Judge appears to have ruled that Lance being clean or not is part of the case.

So I am suprised you want Greg to settle - if Lance is clean the mud won't stick

Not if the case turns into a big circus - which it probably won't do, but it might. Then the verdict could be 'not guilty' and still mud would stick. You're very niave.

The case is unashamedly all about trying to ruin Armstrong and they may stop at nothing to do this. These are roothless people. I wouldn't put anything past them.

 

[Race Radio]

It's not a conspiracy to highlight that you are incredibly biased in this case. In your last post you say: The judge would have to stand down if he said something like that. Everybody knows where you stand.

You are welcome to go to Minnesota and protest the Judge's use of the word misleading, Once again this was his word not mine.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Not if the case turns into a big circus - which it probably won't do, but it might. Then the verdict could be 'not guilty' and still mud would stick. You're very niave.

The case is unashamedly all about trying to ruin Armstrong and they may stop at nothing to do this. These are roothless people. I wouldn't put anything past them.

Who are the 'roothless' (sic) people?

Are you suggesting a Federal Judge and jury will be swayed by PR? You do realize that this case will be decided on facts.

Lances PR team - Public Strategies are working on this case for Trek, so surely they will be able to deflect any mud?
I think you will find that Lance and Public Strategies are the ringmasters of any circus.

 

[Earth Tribe]

You are welcome to go to Minnesota and protest the Judge's use of the word misleading, Once again this was his word not mine.

But you added "what a surprise", which showed your existing view of Trek. The judge couldn't and wouldn't say something like that.

 

[Earth Tribe]

Who are the 'roothless' (sic) people?

LeMond's team and his groupie supporters that are egging him on. I'm sure you've seen what these people are like - they really hate Armstrong and want him the front and centre of the case, even if they were to lose it. They really don't care as long as they can try to pull down LA. We know this because none of them want LeMond to settle.

Are you suggesting a Federal Judge and jury will be swayed by PR? You do realize that this case will be decided on facts.

Again you're very niave. Have you seen court cases that involve celebs in the states?

Lances PR team - Public Strategies are working on this case for Trek, so surely they will be able to deflect any mud?
I think you will find that Lance and Public Strategies are the ringmasters of any circus.

I expect you're right about this, but you never know.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

LeMond's team and his groupie supporters that are egging him on. I'm sure you've seen what these people are like - they really hate Armstrong and want him the front and centre of the case, even if they were to lose it. They really don't care as long as they can try to pull down LA. We know this because none of them want LeMond to settle.



Again you're very niave. Have you seen court cases that involve celebs in the states?



I expect you're right about this, but you never know.

So - how would these 'roothless' (sic) and 'niave' (sic) people get Lance to say he doped if he didnt?

 

[Earth Tribe]

So - how would these 'roothless' (sic) and 'niave' (sic) people get Lance to say he doped if he didnt?

Well what I expect is they'll bring up that ancient history from the mid 1990s, wheeling out Betsy again, and try to use that to make the claim LA doped for all his Tour wins. And they'll also throw in lots of hearsay, rumour and gossip from internet postings from the later years. I'm confident LA's team can bat all this away as irrelevant and inconclusive, but one can't be totally sure. It possibly could be enough to smear him.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well what I expect is they'll bring up that ancient history from the mid 1990s, wheeling out Betsy again, and try to use that to make the claim LA doped for all his Tour wins. And they'll also throw in lots of hearsay, rumour and gossip from internet postings from the later years. I'm confident LA's team can bat all this away as irrelevant and inconclusive, but one can't be totally sure. It possibly could be enough to smear him.

WOW - the US courts are allowed use 'hearsay, rumours and gossip from internet postings" as evidence - thats awesome!! Then obviously they will be calling you!!

Will you have to take the stand 5 or 6 different times for each or your 'sockpuppet' different accounts? Will you wear the same suit each time?

 

[Earth Tribe]

WOW - the US courts are allowed use 'hearsay, rumours and gossip from internet postings" as evidence - thats awesome!!

I hope they won't be able to do that, or it doesn't pass the reasonable doubt - which is certainly doesn't. It would be disgraceful if they used the standards for proving guilt that are used in the clinic, of course.

Will you have to take the stand 5 or 6 different times for each or your 'sockpuppet' different accounts?

A tactic of false misinformation like that might be used, yes.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I hope they won't be able to do that, or it doesn't pass the reasonable doubt - which is certainly doesn't. It would be disgraceful if they used the standards for proving guilt that are used in the clinic, of course.

See you said this earlier:
"And they'll also throw in lots of hearsay, rumour and gossip from internet postings from the later years."

So will they be using that standard - or might they actually use direct evidence?

A tactic of false misinformation like that might be used, yes.

What is "false misinformation"? Is there a 'true' misinformation?

What 'misinformation' did I post - you have previously posted under TheArbiter, BanProCycling, UnBanProCycling, BritishProCycling, Sproket01 - have you not?

 

[Publicus]

You mean when Armstrong uses injections without public scrutiny he's not troubled in the least but when he's questioned about those injections it affects him mentally?

No I was thinking more like he would be distracted with this case and not able
to focus on training and raising awareness.

 

[flicker]

hey you Lance haters

I have been doing my homework.

I know why you hate Lance.

You are not equiped with his equipment.

Yours is small. minute.

Lance=7 tours de france

Go ride your bike Lance haters. Not to mention your jelousy of Kristin and Sheryl Crow.

Now I see why you hate him.

Go ride your bike or go sit in the corner.