Lesser known races thread 2022

[Libertine Seguros]

It's just the phonetics and the product of the original Vino registering in France, hence the 'ou' when the original Винокуров would be transliterated directly as "Vinokurov". Nicolas is his son, after all.

 

[tobydawq]

It's just the phonetics and the product of the original Vino registering in France, hence the 'ou' when the original Винокуров would be transliterated directly as "Vinokurov". Nicolas is his son, after all.

The same with Konyshev versus Konychev.

 

[RedheadDane]

1	ZINGLE Axel	Cofidis	125	75		-
2	GODON Dorian	AG2R Citroën Team	85	55		-
3	FERRON Valentin	TotalEnergies	70	40		-

I can only assume he did not put a zingle foot wrong!

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

With these French Cup (or whatever it is called) races, surely all the French teams will have an advantage on getting points over the likes of Lotto and BEX in the relegation race. Cofidis got a handy 183 UCI points from today.

 

[Samamba]

With these French Cup (or whatever it is called) races, surely all the French teams will have an advantage on getting points over the likes of Lotto and BEX in the relegation race. Cofidis got a handy 183 UCI points from today.

I've said this before. If the system stays the same every decent French (sponsored) team will be WT after 2025. The amount of small races only French teams are interested in is ridiculous.

The economic system of cycling is not compatible with a relegation system where every race in the world counts cause most teams simply have no reason at all to race all those small races as they don't have any value to their sponsors. Those sponsors pay to see their teams focus on and perform in the big races, not some non-televised local French race. If you want to survive you either are good (basically the same as rich in cycling) enough to score big in WT races or you need to "cheat" the system and choose small races over the ideal preperation for those big races making the gap between high and low budget teams even bigger.

Belgian teams also have an advantage tho with there being a lot of Belgian races but it's nowhere compared to the French advantage as those Belgian races have a better startlist (more big teams at the start) and the amount isn't even close to the amount of French smaller races.

UCI wants to globalize the sport but does the complete opposite with this system.

 

[Ricco']

I've said this before. If the system stays the same every decent French (sponsored) team will be WT after 2025. The amount of small races only French teams are interested in is ridiculous.

The economic system of cycling is not compatible with a relegation system where every race in the world counts cause most teams simply have no reason at all to race all those small races as they don't have any value to their sponsors. Those sponsors pay to see their teams focus on and perform in the big races, not some non-televised local French race. If you want to survive you either are good (basically the same as rich in cycling) enough to score big in WT races or you need to "cheat" the system and choose small races over the ideal preperation for those big races making the gap between high and low budget teams even bigger.

UCI wants to globalize the sport but does the complete opposite with this system.

I think this system would be fine with fewer WT teams. A WT group of 15 teams (or even 12 if we want to be drastic), selected each year in the basis of points scored on the last two years* with the rest of the teams being selected by race organisers. Fewer teams made the point obtained in world class events more important, instead of having teams scraping the barrel in .1 races.

And regarding the points, 50% of them would stay with the team with whom they were conquered and 50% would stay with the rider, in case he would switch teams.

 

[Samamba]

I think this system would be fine with fewer WT teams. A WT group of 15 teams (or even 12 if we want to be drastic), selected each year in the basis of points scored on the last two years* with the rest of the teams being selected by race organisers. Fewer teams made the point obtained in world class events more important, instead of having teams scraping the barrel in .1 races.

And regarding the points, 50% of them would stay with the team with whom they were conquered and 50% would stay with the rider, in case he would switch teams.

You would still have french teams with inflated points getting that top 15 or even top 12 without deserving it. I simply do not think a relegation/promotion system is viable in cycling as long as you have this economic ecosystem. And definitely not if every race count. A ranking based on only WT races would be better already but that has other downsides (like teams not focussing on smaller races at all).

 

[RedheadDane]

Meanwhile, over in Thailand, look who did not live up to his name:

52

FAST Konstantin

Roojai Cycling Team

,,

Of course, it could have been worse; he was still in same time as the winner...

Top 3:

1	BOGUSLAWSKI Marceli	HRE Mazowsze Serce Polski	14	20	10″	3:28:37
2	SALEH Mohd Harrif	Terengganu Polygon Cycling Team	5	12	6″	,,
3	KREDER Raymond	Team UKYO	3	7	4″	,,

 

[Libertine Seguros]

In the women's sport you get the phenomenon of "pop-up" races in far flung parts of the world which are added to the calendar late and serve as opportunities to get cheap qualifying points for the Worlds and Olympics in countries that can afford to put them on, usually being arranged only once the main teams have set their calendar for the season and won't be able to come over and win the races. You might start to see that kind of thing from countries whose top teams are under relegation threat.

I do think that there should just be about 15 WT teams, the next 25 teams on ranking are ranked as Wildcard teams, eligible for invites to the top tier races, and then everybody else is restricted to .HC races at home and .1s and .2s like Continental teams.

Also, Konstantin Fast is 45 years old, and has only been on pro teams in the Asia Tour since turning 39. Less than surprising that he's not living up to his name even in a fairly bleh field in a very poor race route in the Tour of Thailand this year compared to the last couple of editions. Jesper Fast, the ice hockey player, is much better at doing that.

 

[RedheadDane]

I do think that there should just be about 15 WT teams, the next 25 teams on ranking are ranked as Wildcard teams, eligible for invites to the top tier races, and then everybody else is restricted to .HC races at home and .1s and .2s like Continental teams.

You mean ProTour race, rather than .HC races?
And conti teams can definitely ride ProTour races in foreign countries!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Meanwhile, over in Thailand, look who did not live up to his name:

52

FAST Konstantin

Roojai Cycling Team

,,

Of course, it could have been worse; he was still in same time as the winner...

Top 3:

1	BOGUSLAWSKI Marceli	HRE Mazowsze Serce Polski	14	20	10″	3:28:37
2	SALEH Mohd Harrif	Terengganu Polygon Cycling Team	5	12	6″	,,
3	KREDER Raymond	Team UKYO	3	7	4″	,,

He did beat two of the three Banaszeks.

 

[Samamba]

To Illustrate my point even more:

WT wins 2020-2022 compared to UCI ranking:

8 Trek 10 WT wins
9 FDJ 8 WT wins
10 Astana 7 WT wins
11 AG2R 6 WT wins
12 DSM 14 WT wins
13 Arkea 2 WT wins
14 EF 20 WT wins
15 Intermarche 4 WT wins
16 Movistar 5 WT wins
17 BEX 10 WT wins
18 Cofidis 1 WT win
19 Israel 6 WT wins
20 Lotto Soudal 17 WT wins
21 Total 2 WT wins

There's an obvious trend imo. A team that has 1 WT win for example should not be in the WT but it looks like they're going to make it because of their performances in small races which is pretty ironic to me.

Atleast FDJ and AG2R still have some guys that perform in the WT (but their amount of UCI points is still inflated) and Arkea is doing really good this season (even in some bigger races), but Intermarché (got CCC points for free and just collected points in small races last year) and Cofidis do not deserve to be in their positions on the UCI ranking.

Also having having a promotion/relegation system for the first time, just when there's an epidemic also does not help.

Note: Having NCs and Continental champs count for a teams UCI ranking is also incredibly *** and helps Astana out massively. They got 300 points this week just because they send some guys to the Asian champs and can't even get top 20s in actual races.

 

[RedheadDane]

WT wins 2022-2022 compared to UCI ranking:

8 Trek 10 WT wins

Trek already has 10 WT wins, in just three months?

 

[Samamba]

Trek already has 10 WT wins, in just three months?

i ment 2020-2022 lol

 

[roundabout]

There are 19 1.1 races in France on the 2022 calendar and 20 in Belgium.

It's only the stage races where there is a big difference which is understandable given the difference in area.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

How about instead of whining, other countries just start to organize their own races?

There's a plethora of UCI races in France because there is a huge interest in cycling, a lot of volunteers, a healthy amateur scene and an enormous heritage of races that mean a lot to the locals. Plus, the public sector in France is mostly quite supportive (admin fees, police support, road closures etc.). Together with Belgium this is THE heartland of cycling for so many reasons, and France deserves as many UCI races as they are able to organize.

 

[tobydawq]

Meanwhile, over in Thailand, look who did not live up to his name:

52

FAST Konstantin

Roojai Cycling Team

,,

Of course, it could have been worse; he was still in same time as the winner...

Måske sad han fast.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

How about instead of whining, other countries just start to organize their own races?

There's a plethora of UCI races in France because there is a huge interest in cycling, a lot of volunteers, a healthy amateur scene and an enormous heritage of races that mean a lot to the locals. Plus, the public sector in France is mostly quite supportive (admin fees, police support, road closures etc.). Together with Belgium this is THE heartland of cycling for so many reasons, and France deserves as many UCI races as they are able to organize.

Yeah there is no reason Spain can’t organize more than early season races and the block around the Vuelta. Italy it is more challenging, as the best racing happens in the Alpine area, and for most parts of the year there is at least a threat of snow.

 

[Kaptain Kool]

Also, Konstantin Fast is 45 years old, and has only been on pro teams in the Asia Tour since turning 39. Less than surprising that he's not living up to his name even in a fairly bleh field in a very poor race route in the Tour of Thailand this year compared to the last couple of editions. Jesper Fast, the ice hockey player, is much better at doing that.

The Tour of Thailand has a poorer race race route and start list compared to pre-COVID 2019. But this year's route isn't any worse than 2020 or 2021. And the field is definitely better than 2020 (only domestic teams) and 2021 (4 fewer Continental Teams than this year).

 

[RedheadDane]

Things are going quite well for the Polish guys over in Thailand:

1	BANASZEK Alan	HRE Mazowsze Serce Polski	14	20		-
2	KREDER Raymond	Team UKYO	5	12		-
3	MONK Cyrus	MEIYO CCN Pro Cycling Team	3	7		-
4	PARK Keon Woo	LX Cycling Team		5		-
5	CARSTENSEN Lucas	Bike Aid		4		-

No report yet on our (not so) fast Russian friend.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Things are going quite well for the Polish guys over in Thailand:

1	BANASZEK Alan	HRE Mazowsze Serce Polski	14	20		-
2	KREDER Raymond	Team UKYO	5	12		-
3	MONK Cyrus	MEIYO CCN Pro Cycling Team	3	7		-
4	PARK Keon Woo	LX Cycling Team		5		-
5	CARSTENSEN Lucas	Bike Aid		4		-

No report yet on our (not so) fast Russian friend.

Sadly there is only one not flat stage and that's an uphill finish on a Mur de Huy level climb, will that be enough to give us a big showdown between Celano and the Aussie CT Sputnik Dyball?

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

55

FAST Konstantin Roojai Cycling Team

Out “fast” friend finished 55th, 3 minutes and 11 seconds down on the leader.

 

[Mayomaniac]

The GP Miguel Indurain got shortened by 12.3kms because right now it's even snowing at the start.

 

[search]

The GP Miguel Indurain got shortened by 12.3kms because right now it's even snowing at the start.

and 12k less means all catagorized climbs are gone now:

old profile:

new profile:

 

[RedheadDane]

There is a break (in Spain):

1		53	LAPEIRA Paul
2		107	CABEDO Óscar
3		112	BASSETT Stephen
4		125	BARRENETXEA Jon
5		136	COBO Iván
6		146	MARTIN Alex
7		182	BIZKARRA Mikel
8		185	JUARISTI Txomin
9		202	REIS Rafael

Yeah... Another 'Martin'...

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