Levi Leipheimer

[flicker]

So much man love for Levi so little time.

 

[Anonymous]

why would the family's response be relevant? Tugboat probably didn't believe that Tyler doped?

because the family letter in one part admits the ban, but also makes the claim of over the counter medication. the only way to get this thing on wiki is to make it as fair and balanced as possible whilst making sure it is clear. anything less and the admins will just delete it again.

 

[Oldman]

why would the family's response be relevant? Tugboat probably didn't believe that Tyler doped?

Tugboat didn't care as long as the food was in his bowl. Just like the DS, UCI, Race Promoters. At least dogs can lick their own....

 

[Cobblestones]

I nearly spilled my coffee reading the wikipedia discussion page

Early Years

"Levi moonlighted as a male erotic dancer to make ends meet during his high school years, biking is expensive."

Is there any reference confirming this claim?

Uhm, I thought he was the fifth from the right in one of the snow white midget pr0n flicks ... or so an acquaintance once told me ... and no, I don't have the 'source'. Maybe somebody can corroborate?

 

[Bala Verde]

Uhm, I thought he was the fifth from the right in one of the snow white midget pr0n flicks ... or so an acquaintance once told me ... and no, I don't have the 'source'. Maybe somebody can corroborate?

wasn't that dopey?

 

[Anonymous]

wiki edited citing full sources.. no doubt it will be deleted again

but the sources are all there now

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

As of now, it's still in there.

I think you did a great job of wording it, and I'm hoping it stays as is.

 

[flicker]

To get the proper effects of ephedra do you not need to be taking it for 3 to 6 weeks to recieve the proper dieting/stimulent effects?

 

[Anonymous]

As of now, it's still in there.

I think you did a great job of wording it, and I'm hoping it stays as is.

Dont see any reason why it should be removed. There is no direct allegation of doping, or using ephedra etc. Just a straight, short factual statement with sources.

Hopefully that will ensure the record stays there, which it should, but also prevents it being posted as full on doping allegations which will just get removed.

 

[Oldman]

To get the proper effects of ephedra do you not need to be taking it for 3 to 6 weeks to recieve the proper dieting/stimulent effects?

It's basically just organic speed. If you took it all the time you'd have a diminished response. Most folks concede that it has more of a motivational impact than a physical one. Actually I thought that it restricted capillary flow and eventually would hinder muscle recovery.
Anyone that took it in significant quantities while it was a banned substance knew exactly what they were doing-seeking an illegal advantage.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

It's basically just organic speed. If you took it all the time you'd have a diminished response. Most folks concede that it has more of a motivational impact than a physical one. Actually I thought that it restricted capillary flow and eventually would hinder muscle recovery.
Anyone that took it in significant quantities while it was a banned substance knew exactly what they were doing-seeking an illegal advantage.

My recollection, and I could be quite wrong, was it is a vasco-dialator, meaning capillaries e x p a n d, making blood flow easier.

To your point, it used to be a direct test compound, not a threshhold test compound. Meaning if it is there, you are positive, not just over a certain amount.

Again, could be wrong, just what I thought.

 

[131313]

My recollection, and I could be quite wrong, was it is a vasco-dialator, meaning capillaries e x p a n d, making blood flow easier.

nope, that's a common misconception. It's a vasoconstrictor but a bronchodilator.

To answer the question above though, as a thermogenic aid (speeding up metabolism for weight loss) it would have to be taken over time. As a stimulant and a bronchodilator, the effects are immediate.

 

[lean mean &green]

My recollection, and I could be quite wrong, was it is a vasco-dialator, meaning capillaries e x p a n d, making blood flow easier.

To your point, it used to be a direct test compound, not a threshhold test compound. Meaning if it is there, you are positive, not just over a certain amount.

Again, could be wrong, just what I thought.

from memory, IOW i didn't google this, it's already an area of expertise...

ephedra is a stimulant.

it mimics or stimulates the autonomic nervous system, more specifically the sympathetics. the sympathetics drive the stress/exercise response, ie fight or flight.

during periods of increased stress/exercise larger blood vessels feeding skeletal muscle will dilate, or open up, encouraging increased blood flow to those tissues allowing the body to meet greater physical demands. other blood vessels feeding tissues that aren't so important during times of physical stress like the digestive system will actually constrict helping to divert even more blood to working muscles. capillaries do not dilate because that requires smooth muscle (only found in larger vessels). smooth muscle would make gas exchange and diffusion accross a membrane impossible and that's the whole purpose of a capillary bed.

you wouldn't need to be taking ephedra for weeks at a time, in some ways it's more beneficial not to...you become less sensitive to it with heavy regular use.

i don't know what the testing limits or allowable amounts were in 1996 but it might be a little quick to suggest that he was CERTAINLY cheating and it wasn't at all due to using a allergy/decongestant medicine as suggested. ephedra was a very effective and widely used ingredient in those products then. furthermore, it's even more of a stretch to say that it's proof he's willing to "do whatever it takes to win" or a clear indication of his deeper character.

he might be a huge doper but the ephedra thing just isn't what it's been made out to be. i also don't think usada's covering this up. it's old and it's not that important. they don't care to dig thru buried paperwork to help out joe papp, they've got MUCH better stuff to do right now.

levi's ephedra in 1996 and whether it shows up on wikipedia just isn't that important. i'm more concerned with his links to top teams in the sport accused of systemic doping and their use of real performance boosters like EPO, autologous transfusions, etc. if evidence of this exists, and i'm not saying it does or doesn't, i'll care alot more.

 

[Anonymous]

wiki entry is this

In 1996 Levi won the American National Criterium Championships after lapping the entire field. [2] It was later reported, according to Velonews[3] that he had tested positive for a banned substance, and a disciplinary panel recommended that he return his title, prize money and jersey. The Leipheimer family, in a letter to the Montana Standard confirmed the violation claiming that he had innocently used a hayfever medicine [4]. Matt Johnson is named in the official records as the champion[5]

which has been accepted by at least one admin involved in the original removals. short and to the point

 

[lean mean &green]

In 1996 Levi won the American National Criterium Championships after lapping the entire field. [2] It was later reported, according to Velonews[3] that he had tested positive for a banned substance, and a disciplinary panel recommended that he return his title, prize money and jersey. The Leipheimer family, in a letter to the Montana Standard confirmed the violation claiming that he had innocently used a hayfever medicine [4]. Matt Johnson is named in the official records as the champion[5]

sounds good

 

[pedaling squares]

wiki entry is this

In 1996 Levi won the American National Criterium Championships after lapping the entire field. [2] It was later reported, according to Velonews[3] that he had tested positive for a banned substance, and a disciplinary panel recommended that he return his title, prize money and jersey. The Leipheimer family, in a letter to the Montana Standard confirmed the violation claiming that he had innocently used a hayfever medicine [4]. Matt Johnson is named in the official records as the champion[5]

which has been accepted by at least one admin involved in the original removals. short and to the point

That is nice and balanced. Good work dim, these things are better served when we play fair.

Although the erotic dancer bit was bloody hilarious.

 

[Cal_Joe]

wiki entry is this

In 1996 Levi won the American National Criterium Championships after lapping the entire field. [2] It was later reported, according to Velonews[3] that he had tested positive for a banned substance, and a disciplinary panel recommended that he return his title, prize money and jersey. The Leipheimer family, in a letter to the Montana Standard confirmed the violation claiming that he had innocently used a hayfever medicine [4]. Matt Johnson is named in the official records as the champion[5]

which has been accepted by at least one admin involved in the original removals. short and to the point

As others have said, balanced. My only quibble is the "lapping the entire field" part, which is not supported by or even mentioned in the reference (NY Times article).

 

[Anonymous]

As others have said, balanced. My only quibble is the "lapping the entire field" part, which is not supported by or even mentioned in the reference (NY Times article).

Admins have now checked it and a few modifications have been made by JackB who does a lot of edits on armstrongs page. They have cleaned up a typo, added a mention of claritin-b and added that the leipheimer family "claim" the us authorities relaxed the rules on medication. But its written very much "leipheimer family CLAIM" etc etc.. fair and balanced now. THank you to all who collected references.

 

[joe_papp]

...THank you to all who collected references.

And thanks to you and others who remained undeterred by obstructionist "editors" @ Wikipedia and saw this through to the point of securing space in the article for information that's been in the public domain for some 13+ years. Cheers.

BTW - here is the direct link to the wikipedia article in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Leipheimer.

PS. I think "mandated" would be a better word choice than "recommended" to describe the disciplinary panel's action, but...that's a battle for another day.

PSS. Nevermind what I just wrote above, since it's not clear. I was criticizing the word choice in the original VeloNews article, not the wording of the edit made to LL's wikipedia entry.

 

[Oldman]

And thanks to you and others who remained undeterred by obstructionist "editors" @ Wikipedia and saw this through to the point of securing space in the article for information that's been in the public domain for some 13+ years. Cheers.

BTW - here is the direct link to the wikipedia article in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Leipheimer.

PS. I think "mandated" would be a better word choice than "recommended" to describe the disciplinary panel's action, but...that's a battle for another day.

Cool. And Matt J was/is a deserving victor and pure cyclist. He didn't stick around the National team because he saw the trends and didn't want to be a part of it.

 

[Anonymous]

PS. I think "mandated" would be a better word choice than "recommended" to describe the disciplinary panel's action, but...that's a battle for another day.

i went with the exact word in the velonews article..

 

[pedaling squares]

My only quibble is the "lapping the entire field" part, which is not supported by or even mentioned in the reference (NY Times article).

I haven't gone back to read but can't that be sourced to Joe P, who was a rider in that race and thus a witness to the event? That would be a better source than a newspaper article.

 

[Cal_Joe]

I haven't gone back to read but can't that be sourced to Joe P, who was a rider in that race and thus a witness to the event? That would be a better source than a newspaper article.

My feeling is that particular source, based solely on a 14 year old recollection posted in a forum by someone who lost the race and has some prior legal issues, would be a problem. It would be interesting to see if there are any accounts written at the time that backs that up.

 

[Kungfu Supercomputer]

wasn't that dopey?

Isnt a picture of Garzelli off-topic?

fwiw, I think the quantitative threshold for ephedrine was 10 micrograms/ml in '96. I remember when this happened, hilarious this thread got 40 pages.

 

[Polish]

Isnt a picture of Garzelli off-topic?

fwiw, I think the quantitative threshold for ephedrine was 10 micrograms/ml in '96. I remember when this happened, hilarious this thread got 40 pages.

yes, the dwarf is off topic. Like Taylor Phinney, dopey does not like cheaters

BTW, the NYTimes shows Levi as the 1996 National Champion:

"U.S. Nationals

MEN'S CRITERIUM Levi Leipheimer, Butte, Mont.

WOMEN'S CRITERIUM Carmen Richardson, Knoxville, Tenn. "

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/29/sports/from-atlanta-to-wembley-winners-all.html


It is only an Amateur Win...probably does not belong on his Wiki Page.
Still an awesome win. I understand he LAPPED the field. With allergies.

"Sneezy" is not off-topic BTW.