Levi Leipheimer

[joe_papp]

My feeling is that particular source, based solely on a 14 year old recollection posted in a forum by someone who lost the race and has some prior legal issues, would be a problem. It would be interesting to see if there are any accounts written at the time that backs that up.

LMFAO! I don't know which is funnier: the notion that I "lost" the race to Leipheimer; the insinuation that legal issues result in faulty memories; or the fact that you suggest a search for written accounts to validate LL's lapping the field after we spent 40 pages chronicling the search for a citation to back up the claim that LL was stripped of his title for doping.

Actually, you might win troll of the year award because of how sneakily you suggested the search for written accounts. Bravo!

 

[flicker]

A friend of mine was at a Criterium in San Francisco in the early 2000 or late 1990s. Levi just smoked the field made the other pros look sick, lapped the field. Levi took off his helmet and rode to his car. Dimwitted official took the race from Levi for riding to his car with his helmet off. DQd Levi.

 

[Anonymous]

can people now refrain from further wiki edits. Its taken a lot to get this article accepted. already today somebody (not saying from here) changed the heading to doping. stuff like that will just get the edits removed.

 

[barn yard]

but it *is* doping isnt it?

 

[pedaling squares]

A friend of mine was at a Criterium in San Francisco in the early 2000 or late 1990s. Levi just smoked the field made the other pros look sick, lapped the field. Levi took off his helmet and rode to his car. Dimwitted official took the race from Levi for riding to his car with his helmet off. DQd Levi.

Nice way to miss the controls.

 

[Anonymous]

but it *is* doping isnt it?

maybe, but giving it a seperate section with doping history as the title is just going to wind up the admins. they played hard ball getting this one accepted, now its been accepted, doesnt need any excuse for it to be removed again.

not saying it was anyone from here did that, but no point giving the admins any excuse

 

[Cal_Joe]

LMFAO! I don't know which is funnier: the notion that I "lost" the race to Leipheimer; the insinuation that legal issues result in faulty memories; or the fact that you suggest a search for written accounts to validate LL's lapping the field after we spent 40 pages chronicling the search for a citation to back up the claim that LL was stripped of his title for doping.

Actually, you might win troll of the year award because of how sneakily you suggested the search for written accounts. Bravo!

Joe, it appears that my sentence structure was too convoluted. To rephrase:

Wikipedia has a standard concerning COI (conflict of interest) regarding unsubstantiated claims by folks who may have an ax to grind. You have to be aware of those based on the fact that your COI is mentioned in the Wiki page that concerns edits to the LL Wiki page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Levi_Leipheimer

My second point is that an "oral history" from someone who did not win the race, and has been convicted of drug dealing may not pass muster with Wiki and COI.

Third point regarding the "lapping the field" - again based on the Wiki discussion page link posted above, you damn well know that an account written at the time is sufficient - apparently you have decided to play dumb.

And thanks for playing the "Troll" card - anyone who bothers to read the Wiki discussion page can probably figure things out.

Last point - you are one of the few persons posting on this forum whose real name and history is known - possibly you might expect some flack. My advice - Harden up a bit (or is that HTFU?), it comes with public posting.

 

[flicker]

Joe Papp is not Joe Papp. Joe Papp is actually Joe Fed (not to be confused with that nice man from Fed Ex) Joe Papp is actually a federal troll posing as Joe Papp who as we know has had his life spiral downward since being lapped by Levi in '96. To bad so sad.

 

[barn yard]

the livestrongers have been doing some wiki editing thinking that nobody has been watching...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Levi is still smoking fields at US races like Tour of the Gila. Past two years he's absolutely crushed those Cat 1 bike shop mechanics.

 

[SpartacusRox]

Levi is still smoking fields at US races like Tour of the Gila. Past two years he's absolutely crushed those Cat 1 bike shop mechanics.

Lets compare his Palmares with yours Moose...You go first, shouldn't take up too much space.

 

[SpartacusRox]

Levi is still smoking fields at US races like Tour of the Gila. Past two years he's absolutely crushed those Cat 1 bike shop mechanics.

One second thoughts:

Here is his. Must be a lot of bike mechanics riding in the GT's these days. Once again Moose an epic fail.


Top Results:
Grand Tours: 12
Tour de France: 7
DNF – 2009, 3rd – 2007, 13th – 2006, 6th – 2005, 9th – 2004, DNF – 2003, 8th – 2002
Tour of Italy: 2
6th – 2009, 18th - 2008
Vuelta a Espana: 3
2nd – 2008, 58th – 2003, 3rd – 2001
2009 Highlights
1st – Stage 4 (TTT) – Tour de France
1st – Overall – Tour of California
1st – Overall – Tour of Castilla y León
1st – Overall – Tour of the Gila
1st – Sea Otter Road Race
1st – Stage 2 (TT) – Tour of Castilla y León
1st – Stage 6 (TT) – Tour of California
1st – Stage 1 – Tour of the Gila
1st – Stage 3 – Tour of the Gila
2nd – Stage 12 (TT) – Tour of Italy
2nd – Prologue (TT) - Tour of California
2nd – Stage 2 – Tour of California
3rd – Stage 1 (TTT) – Tour of Italy
3rd – Stage 5 – Tour of the Gila
5th – Stage 5 – Tour of Italy
5th – Stage 5 – Tour of Missouri
6th – Overall – Tour of Italy
6th – Stage 1 (TT) – Tour de France
6th – Stage 4 – Tour of Italy
6th – Stage 18 – Tour of Italy
6th – Overall – Tour of Missouri
8th – Stage 10 – Tour of Italy
8th – Stage 4 – Tour of Castilla y León
9th – Stage 8 – Tour of California


Now you go next, you must be something special..

 

[Roland Rat]

Cool. And Matt J was/is a deserving victor and pure cyclist. He didn't stick around the National team because he saw the trends and didn't want to be a part of it.

Is that this guy? http://www.slipstreamsports.com/garmin-slipstream-staff/matt-johnson

Nevermind, just read it and saw this one's Canadian.

 

[Benotti69]

....

Now you go next, you must be something special..

i would rather be a fan of cycling than a pro who dopes!

At least i know who i am and i am not cheating everyone by taking PEDs to pretend to be an extremely talented pro hard man cyclist who can whip everyone on 2 wheels and talk hard and big.

Not answering for Moose man but when people come on here and say show me your Palmares, F*CK that ****, just because you cheated in bike races does not make you better than everybody else it makes you a cheating scumbag. That kind of machismo talk is for idiots with small Penii

 

[stephens]

I don't know why that last sentence was necessary. But I think one point to keep in mind is that no one here really knows what they'd do or not do if they were a pro cyclist putting their bodies through all that these guys do. It's easy to be all high and mighty from the sidelines as a fan or a gambler or a sponsor or a promoter just trying to make money off of the efforts of these guys. But maybe different in the peloton, and that's not necessarily immoral from that perspective, and their perspective is the only one that should count. Heck, the only guy around here who admits to being a pro, though on a much lower level than Levi, is Papp: and he took drugs and sold them to others as well.

 

[BikeCentric]

I don't know why that last sentence was necessary. But I think one point to keep in mind is that no one here really knows what they'd do or not do if they were a pro cyclist putting their bodies through all that these guys do. It's easy to be all high and mighty from the sidelines as a fan or a gambler or a sponsor or a promoter just trying to make money off of the efforts of these guys. But maybe different in the peloton, and that's not necessarily immoral from that perspective, and their perspective is the only one that should count. Heck, the only guy around here who admits to being a pro, though on a much lower level than Levi, is Papp: and he took drugs and sold them to others as well.

That's right, if the Pros say drugs are not cheating then drugs are okay and their perspective is the only one that matters.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Actually, it shows clearly that Leipheimer was willing to cheat from earliest days to win in cycling...and it exposes the hypocrisy of his pseudo-teammate Taylor Phinney, who will **** "doper" at Vino' and whine that he dislikes cheaters, while remaining either ignorant of, or silent on, his pseudo-teammate's of history of doping.

I certainly don't want to defend doping, and I'm certain that there have been grosser infractions by LL, but an ephedrine positive was really common at the time - in many sports. It is in a lot of cold medicine, decongestants etc. Lots of dummies taking the wrong brand and getting nailed.

Further investigation on its performance enhancement has recently even had it removed from the banned list.

Not defending anyone, just letting you know...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

One second thoughts:

Here is his. Must be a lot of bike mechanics riding in the GT's these days. Once again Moose an epic fail.


Top Results:
Grand Tours: 12
Tour de France: 7
DNF – 2009, 3rd – 2007, 13th – 2006, 6th – 2005, 9th – 2004, DNF – 2003, 8th – 2002
Tour of Italy: 2
6th – 2009, 18th - 2008
Vuelta a Espana: 3
2nd – 2008, 58th – 2003, 3rd – 2001
2009 Highlights
1st – Stage 4 (TTT) – Tour de France
1st – Overall – Tour of Castilla y León
1st – Stage 2 (TT) – Tour of Castilla y León
2nd – Stage 12 (TT) – Tour of Italy
3rd – Stage 1 (TTT) – Tour of Italy
5th – Stage 5 – Tour of Italy
6th – Overall – Tour of Italy
6th – Stage 1 (TT) – Tour de France
6th – Stage 4 – Tour of Italy
6th – Stage 18 – Tour of Italy
8th – Stage 10 – Tour of Italy
8th – Stage 4 – Tour of Castilla y León

Now you go next, you must be something special..

I removed the races nobody cares about.
Meh, not so impressive now is it?

 

[Oldman]

I certainly don't want to defend doping, and I'm certain that there have been grosser infractions by LL, but an ephedrine positive was really common at the time - in many sports. It is in a lot of cold medicine, decongestants etc. Lots of dummies taking the wrong brand and getting nailed.

Further investigation on its performance enhancement has recently even had it removed from the banned list.

Not defending anyone, just letting you know...

If they start holding USACycling coaches feet to the fire about their internal PED monitoring we would find out who to what and when. Thinking that LL stopped at pseudephedrine is naive and hardly the first incident.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Lets compare his Palmares with yours Moose...You go first, shouldn't take up too much space.

Sure.

Levi: doped
Moose: didn't dope.

Have a nice day.

Next time you say anything critical of Contador, I'll post HIS palmares and see where the epic fail is, ok skippy?

 

[VeloFidelis]

I removed the races nobody cares about.
Meh, not so impressive now is it?

Considering the fact that any Pro who has pulled on a team kit, or cashed a paycheck, regardless how meager, for racing his bike, is a far FAR better athlete and cyclist than you will ever be; how can you still NOT be impressed even with your "edited" list of palmares?

 

[BikeCentric]

Considering the fact that any Pro who has pulled on a team kit, or cashed a paycheck, regardless how meager, for racing his bike, is a far FAR better athlete and cyclist than you will ever be; how can you still NOT be impressed even with your "edited" list of palmares?

You and Spartacusfanboy are both using an "appeal to authority." Yes any non-*** fan knows that all pros are superior athletes but this does not make them above reproach or criticism. Unless you are a lemming?

 

[VeloFidelis]

You and Spartacusfanboy are both using an "appeal to authority." Yes any non-*** fan knows that all pros are superior athletes but this does not make them above reproach or criticism. Unless you are a lemming?

And you love making sh!t up! You can talk smack all day about anyone you want. But if you are not impressed with results like that, then you must be ***

 

[MacRoadie]

You and Spartacusfanboy are both using an "appeal to authority." Yes any non-*** fan knows that all pros are superior athletes but this does not make them above reproach or criticism. Unless you are a lemming?

The irony is, using the standard "any Pro who has pulled on a team kit, or cashed a paycheck, regardless how meager, for racing his bike", there are actually more than a few of those on here...

 

[Tim_sleepless]

I certainly don't want to defend doping, and I'm certain that there have been grosser infractions by LL, but an ephedrine positive was really common at the time - in many sports. It is in a lot of cold medicine, decongestants etc. Lots of dummies taking the wrong brand and getting nailed.

Further investigation on its performance enhancement has recently even had it removed from the banned list.

And even more recently put back on.