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the standard approach used every single year since 2018
see eg the official video of the 2019 route
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see eg the official video of the 2019 route
Tulett is in great form; I wouldn't be surprised if he finishes top 5. Otherwise, the team is weak without Jorgenson.
View: https://x.com/vismaleaseabike/status/2047953070609273327?s=20
View: https://x.com/vismaleaseabike/status/2047953070609273327?s=20
But he is the Messiah!! Forget about this 'turning water into wine' business, Messiah Paul can turn fatigue into watts!!
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A fair comment on the pre-race hoopla -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...year-old-as-tadej-pogacars-closest-challenger
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...year-old-as-tadej-pogacars-closest-challenger
- Sep 12, 2022
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RBH team for tomorrow. Should be good enough to help Evenepoel sit in the wheel of Pogacar, and see where it takes him. Maybe Hindley can show his form for the Giro too
View: https://x.com/RBH_ProCycling/status/2047939682684588177
View: https://x.com/RBH_ProCycling/status/2047939682684588177
I wonder why we can't see it in the actual climb times? Maybe they were better on the steeper sections and Remco on the less steep sections. Also, it's difficult to make a qualitative assessment. Pogacar never looks as if he puts any effort in and MVDP is a master on that terrain and heavier so he 'dances' less on the cobbles. https://watts2win.eu/nl/result/20260014000/watts?s=5
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Remco lost significant time when Pogacar forced the pace.
Koppenberg: 13"
Mariaborrestraat: 5"
Taainenberg (it was MVP who put the tempo): 5"
Kruisberg: 7"
Oude Kwaremont: 31"
Paterberg: 4"
He lost time everywhere, steep sections, shallow sections. Where he didn't lose time and sometimes he gained time were the sections between climbs, specially after Kruisberg.
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Stopped reading early as I saw the banner something like 'power levels are already higher than Vingegaars'...eh? Vingegaard does not ride one day races like at all. Week long or so analytics, it's normal that young gifted athletes are very powerful and sharp and later will loose that a bit as they build that one-two-three gt's per year endurance. Dunno if Seixas has already higher blaa blaa blaa becase he hasn't done a gt.
Just read his interview in CN. Giving view how Seixas maybe does not have endurance for the endgame. This moody af being expert when his performance is always, always, 50/50. It maybe something spectacular or it's shouting and banging his bike at the side of a road.
He might have a point, it's hard to know. I think the only five or six hour races Seixas has done have been Rwanda and Il Lombardia, and he did find then noticeably harder than the 200km European Champs in the middle.
Obviously, he has improved since then, but he is an unknown quantity at that length and riders do take time to adjust to it.
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I don't want to prejudge the course of events, but I think we're going to witness a pattern that we've seen many times before.
The length of the route and the rich options will do that UAE will stick even more to their plan of a tight chain from far outside, and Pogi's usual tactic of softening up his competitors from far outside. With the desturbing element of the new boy in the class, the use of the distance should be safer ground for Pogi than arriving together with Saixas on the decisive final, one must assume.
But a lot can happen, Pogi crashes/ punctures at decisive moments.
If a more united field with all the favorites makes it all the way to the new approach* for Roche-aux-Faucons, then we'll see a wilder battle for position than ever. With previous years' start up Av. des Ormes + Av. de Honys, there has been more stagnation, even after the field has turned right up Rue d'Avister, where punches have only been launched halfway up the crucial steep part close to the summit here.
Tomorrow the peloton will take a more technical passage with a sharp right turn immediately after crossing the river bridge and 1k along the narrow Rue du Canal, before a very technical 2x right over the railway bridge and then an abrupt start on a steep segment up Av. de Eglisé, before it meets the equally steep Rue d'Avister.
That is, a slightly shorter total climb, but high percentages from bottom to top, which, all else being equal, must encourage much earlier attacks in an already stretched peloton due to the technical passages up to.
I don't know if the organizers have included this route change for sporting reasons or if it is due to complaints from the residential area from the front, which is the normal start of the climb.
In any case, it makes me sincerely hope for a rally right up to this point, but I'm afraid I'm too delusional.
*I still haven't investigated whether this approach has been used in the first years of the climb, but my memory tells me that there is something to it.
The length of the route and the rich options will do that UAE will stick even more to their plan of a tight chain from far outside, and Pogi's usual tactic of softening up his competitors from far outside. With the desturbing element of the new boy in the class, the use of the distance should be safer ground for Pogi than arriving together with Saixas on the decisive final, one must assume.
But a lot can happen, Pogi crashes/ punctures at decisive moments.
If a more united field with all the favorites makes it all the way to the new approach* for Roche-aux-Faucons, then we'll see a wilder battle for position than ever. With previous years' start up Av. des Ormes + Av. de Honys, there has been more stagnation, even after the field has turned right up Rue d'Avister, where punches have only been launched halfway up the crucial steep part close to the summit here.
Tomorrow the peloton will take a more technical passage with a sharp right turn immediately after crossing the river bridge and 1k along the narrow Rue du Canal, before a very technical 2x right over the railway bridge and then an abrupt start on a steep segment up Av. de Eglisé, before it meets the equally steep Rue d'Avister.
That is, a slightly shorter total climb, but high percentages from bottom to top, which, all else being equal, must encourage much earlier attacks in an already stretched peloton due to the technical passages up to.
I don't know if the organizers have included this route change for sporting reasons or if it is due to complaints from the residential area from the front, which is the normal start of the climb.
In any case, it makes me sincerely hope for a rally right up to this point, but I'm afraid I'm too delusional.
*I still haven't investigated whether this approach has been used in the first years of the climb, but my memory tells me that there is something to it.
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I'm a bit surprised I must say.the standard approach used every single year since 2018
see eg the official video of the 2019 route
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO6jXmxo9VQ
Looking at Cyclingstage's route for the 2025 edition it clearly states the aporoach from the front side of Hony, i.e. ahead after river bridge, under the railway station and up the residental area before the right turn heading to the steep part. And normally Cyclingstage's uploaded gpx files site are fully valid, especially for the biggest events.
My time ran out, but thanks for animating me to rewatch all versions of the climb over the years this night
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tissot that i linked to also has the official gpx route since 2022 , you just have to toggle the yearI'm a bit surprised I must say.
Looking at Cyclingstage's route for the 2025 edition it clearly states the aporoach from the front side of Hony, i.e. ahead after river bridge, under the railway station and up the residental area before the right turn heading to the steep part.
My time ran out, but thanks for animating me to rewatch all versions of the climb over the years this night
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edit : and on the official map on the page you linked to , its easy to see the standard approach used
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- Jan 22, 2010
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but a nice excuse for me to rewatch all the ascents over the years tonighttissot that i linked to also has the official gpx route since 2022 , you just have to toggle the year
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cyclingstage just simply had it wrong , which is why its better to rely on race footage , official route presentation and files etc
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and even the gpx file there has it right :I'm not saying you're wrong, but a nice excuse for me to rewatch all the ascents over the years tonight
i have no idea how you got the impression that they didnt take the standard approach last year
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Not hard to handtime when you have the race available on youtube.
The link you also put has some climbing times (e.g. Koppenberg was only raced one time so it's easy to see the difference)
Edit: 30" in Kwaremont and not 31"
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I give in
Getting older my memory apparently tricks me, but just this moment it came to my mind that in a recent edition Thijs Benoot (I think it was?) took a vacation in the woods, at the sharp left hander just after the bridge. And this way leads to the backside of Hony.
You won, well done
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I wouldn't factor cobbled/gravel climbs into it, as they tend to favour bigger/heavier riders.
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Nothing he said was controversial unless people want to make it that
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