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Michele said:
Shortly;

-the shoulder problem doesnt sounds so big as Frank Schleck is stating, especially cause, for example, the team didnt even called their specialist for physio Giuseppe Carretta who lives in Parma and could have reached the Giro's location very quickly.

-both Becca and Bruyneel are furious for him leaving, which goes against the plan of Bruyneel since last winter; Frank to Giro and Andy to the Tour.
Frank, when called last minute to ride Giro, imposed that Kim Andersen would be there and this went against Bruyneel once again.

-there were rumors from some days from Andy side that Frank would have left the Giro this past sunday (yesterda) and thats what happened.

-with all this tension between Bruyneel and the Schlecks, the newspaper say that their relationship might end at the end of this year.
Bruyneel said that they are not as professional as Contador; and Bruyneel seems to be looking to atract Contador to his team for 2013 (no, im not joking LaFlorecita:p).

Bruyneel want's Contador, while Contador won't listen to Bruyneel. Not listening as in attacking too often or too brutal is better than not listening as in abandoning random races i guess:D
 
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Michele said:
Shortly;

-the shoulder problem doesnt sounds so big as Frank Schleck is stating, especially cause, for example, the team didnt even called their specialist for physio Giuseppe Carretta who lives in Parma and could have reached the Giro's location very quickly.

So, a big lie from our friend Frank, even worse using Alex Rasmussen.

Michele said:
-both Becca and Bruyneel are furious for him leaving, which goes against the plan of Bruyneel since last winter; Frank to Giro and Andy to the Tour.
Frank, when called last minute to ride Giro, imposed that Kim Andersen would be there and this went against Bruyneel once again.

Becca on Johan side, so the Schlecks are pointed by the team.

Michele said:
-there were rumors from some days from Andy side that Frank would have left the Giro this past sunday (yesterda) and thats what happened.

Yeah Andy, at least honest in this.

Michele said:
-with all this tension between Bruyneel and the Schlecks, the newspaper say that their relationship might end at the end of this year.
Bruyneel said that they are not as professional as Contador; and Bruyneel seems to be looking to atract Contador to his team for 2013 (no, im not joking LaFlorecita:p).


What teams can and want to have the Schlecks after this. Only to ride TdF and not being favourites.

And Johan-Contador 2013 lol I hope this jouno lies unless Johan is desesperate. He splits from Contador.
 
gooner said:
This time I have to agree with you.

Bruyneel made his bed when he sided with Lance in 2009. Tough luck is what I say.

I wonder what Bruyneel is thinking now. If he handled the Contador situation back then a lot better he could of gone on a winning streak just like he did with Lance. I say he regrets that now. Lance's return ruined all this for him.

And I agree with you. He probably feels really bad now. He had a champion and lost it, only because he felt the need to kiss Lance's ***.
 
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Michele said:
-both Becca and Bruyneel are furious for him leaving, which goes against the plan of Bruyneel since last winter; Frank to Giro and Andy to the Tour.
Frank, when called last minute to ride Giro, imposed that Kim Andersen would be there and this went against Bruyneel once again.

Maybe they should have informed Fränk (and Jakob Fuglsang) about this plan a little earlier than the week before the race. The way Bruyneel carries out his plan is dishonest and manipulative as usual, and I can understand why the riders don't trust him.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
He is desperate, he has no champion anymore. And for someone that is used to winning TdFs, this must itch.

The problem is he had it in his hands:D

I believe he thought in 2009 Andy was going to be better than Contador and this radioshack stuff was planned to have Andy in the next years.

Lance was in 2010 only because Andy was under contract with Riis. Even Lance spoke about Andy better without his brother like Johan thinks now, so Bruyneel was the mastermind then.

The problem? Andy wants Frank with him and both together want a team where they were the bosses and no compromises except TdF. So Becca appeared and form Leopard tailored by Schlecks will

But Becca didn't like what he saw and wanted to save money so he needed a sponsor and a "true boss" for brothers so he fired the weak Nygaard, who couldn't find a sponsor, and choose the hog with a sponsor and enough prestige to correct Schleck's methods.

The Schlecks who taunted Bjarne as a dictator in the past, are uprising but they are less credible now than two yeas ago. And Becca has been positioned alongside Johan.


To be continued...:D
 
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HL2037 said:
Maybe they should have informed Fränk (and Jakob Fuglsang) about this plan a little earlier than the week before the race. The way Bruyneel carries out his plan is dishonest and manipulative as usual, and I can understand why the riders don't trust him.

On the Johan corner... This is his way as DS all his life, empty promises in winter to hold certains riders and slowly changing the schedule.

The knee of Jakob is as mysterious as the shoulder of Frank. The first was "created" by Johan in his quest of split the bros and the latter a revenge by Frank.

But given the poor spring and his status Frank should have ended his job and close his mouth as the professional he is. That what the hog planned to use in his advantage. But Frank isn't intimidate by Bruyneel.


The Andersen pulse seems a expensive victory by Johan. He has legal problem in the US and no replace for the Schleck since Contador never will rejoin him.
Pretty clear for Becca, who seems to agree more with Johan but Schlecks are irreplaceable.

To be continued...:D
 
Forunculo said:
The problem is he had it in his hands:D

I believe he thought in 2009 Andy was going to be better than Contador and this radioshack stuff was planned to have Andy in the next years.

Lance was in 2010 only because Andy was under contract with Riis. Even Lance spoke about Andy better without his brother like Johan thinks now, so Bruyneel was the mastermind then.

The problem? Andy wants Frank with him and both together want a team where they were the bosses and no compromises except TdF. So Becca appeared and form Leopard tailored by Schlecks will

But Becca didn't like what he saw and wanted to save money so he needed a sponsor and a "true boss" for brothers so he fired the weak Nygaard, who couldn't find a sponsor, and choose the hog with a sponsor and enough prestige to correct Schleck's methods.

The Schlecks who taunted Bjarne as a dictator in the past, are uprising but they are less credible now than two yeas ago. And Becca has been positioned alongside Johan.


To be continued...:D

Not sure this is how it all played out. Hog had Contador so he had a GT man set for the next 5-8 years. Contador probably would have won the Tour more than 7 times and a few Vuelta’s/Giro’s thrown in for good measure. That plan went bust in 2009 with Lance’s comeback. Hog couldn’t control Lance. The Floyd stuff aside Armstrong only ever had two years in him where with Contador he had long standing GT rider probably better than Lance ever could have been.

Once Radioshack came about I think Hog/Armstrong had an eye on the future. I’m sure they thought with Andy they could turn him into GT surpermo with the Armstrong template in place. They spent some time trying to lure him. And the integration into Leopard appeared the only way. But I think those boys love their Dad and family is more important than anything. Hog shouldn’t try to split them up but find a way for them to work together. Yes Andy is better without Frank but you can’t do that by force. They’ll resist.
 
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Forunculo said:
The problem is he had it in his hands:D

I believe he thought in 2009 Andy was going to be better than Contador and this radioshack stuff was planned to have Andy in the next years.

Lance was in 2010 only because Andy was under contract with Riis. Even Lance spoke about Andy better without his brother like Johan thinks now, so Bruyneel was the mastermind then.

The problem? Andy wants Frank with him and both together want a team where they were the bosses and no compromises except TdF. So Becca appeared and form Leopard tailored by Schlecks will

But Becca didn't like what he saw and wanted to save money so he needed a sponsor and a "true boss" for brothers so he fired the weak Nygaard, who couldn't find a sponsor, and choose the hog with a sponsor and enough prestige to correct Schleck's methods.

The Schlecks who taunted Bjarne as a dictator in the past, are uprising but they are less credible now than two yeas ago. And Becca has been positioned alongside Johan.


To be continued...:D

Just about perfectly summed up! All an incredibly pathetic picture. And my laughter continues roaring, unabated!!!:D:D
 
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thehog said:
Not sure this is how it all played out. Hog had Contador so he had a GT man set for the next 5-8 years. Contador probably would have won the Tour more than 7 times and a few Vuelta’s/Giro’s thrown in for good measure. That plan went bust in 2009 with Lance’s comeback. Hog couldn’t control Lance. The Floyd stuff aside Armstrong only ever had two years in him where with Contador he had long standing GT rider probably better than Lance ever could have been.

Once Radioshack came about I think Hog/Armstrong had an eye on the future. I’m sure they thought with Andy they could turn him into GT surpermo with the Armstrong template in place. They spent some time trying to lure him. And the integration into Leopard appeared the only way. But I think those boys love their Dad and family is more important than anything. Hog shouldn’t try to split them up but find a way for them to work together. Yes Andy is better without Frank but you can’t do that by force. They’ll resist.

About Lance I think he gives much value to his record of 7 times winner and tries to sabotage Contador in 2009. Probably he knows many things that can create many legal problems for the hog. Lance played his card and Johan had to accept.

I agree Andy was part of a plan to be in the center of the show for many years, Lance has his defender of his record and Johan his key to expand his palmares and his ego. But both want to capitalize the rivalry with Contador using Andy. In 2009 they lost the TdF but found a gold mine for many years and maybe a shield to their legal problems.
 
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Frank the day before he abandoned

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Johan missing the golden past


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Andy training hard his tt position


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Fabian counting remaining months left in the team
 
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Horner twitting his mum he secures the leadership role at TdF


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Jakob fighting for pink... wait his shoulder... no that was Frank, his knee


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Jens trying to escape from the team secretly



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Flavio Becca looking for a new manager for the team
 
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nowhereman said:
Just about perfectly summed up! All an incredibly pathetic picture. And my laughter continues roaring, unabated!!!:D:D

Also my opinion.

Leopard trek maybe bought the Saxobank riders with huge multi year contracts. But as reported elsewhere the LT management did not have a bike racing background. I predict top riders will depart RLT once their contracts expire.
 
nowhereman said:
Just about perfectly summed up! All an incredibly pathetic picture. And my laughter continues roaring, unabated!!!:D:D

The problems have been there sometime. Fusalang was eluding to issues when RadioShack joined. Hog promised him the Giro but he still didn't know what was going on. There appears to be a compete lack of communication between riders, staff and team management. I think the Shlecks went into hiding when Hog came on board. They didn't know what to do with him. I thought it what Andy and Frank wanted but it seems they've been uncomfortable with it from the get go.

The secret sauce at USPS was Ferrari not Bruyneel. If he's not been commissioned into the team then the rest of the season will be baron.
 
The way I read the situation is that in Johan's mind, everything revolves around him and what he is thinking. If he thinks that Frank should do the Giro, well, Frank will do the Giro. It doesn't matter if Frank hasn't been asked about it until a week before, that it was he will do. Same for Fugslang, or whoever else.

With Lance, it worked, because they both thought the same way - everything for the one prize, other races and people don't matter. With Schlecks, it doesn't work - they have a mind of their own (unfortunately it doens't seem like two mind of their own, nor do they seem to use them well, but I digress) and therefore don't want to put up with the dictatorial style.

Perfectly narcisstic.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
No he cannot do that. I'll have to stalk Alberto on twitter and tell him he shouldn't do it. Bruyneel doesn't deserve him after how he treated Alberto in 2009. Alberto should go back to Riis, or to Movistar, not to stupid Bruyneel. Besides Alberto wants to have nothing to do with Lance anymore either, because Lance was also very mean to him.
If Contador couldn't see what was stark staring obvious to everyone else in the cycling world when the Armstrong-Bruyneel tandem arrived at Astana, he must have been either blind or stupid.