Lidl-Trek (no longer Radioshack-Leopard Trek)

[the asian]

Cancellara, Montfort and Gallopin would be the dreamticket for Saxo, but that is not going to happen.

Monfort to Quick step or Lotto seems feasible. Cancellara to Saxo( can't see him joining BMC with Hushovd or OPQS with Boonen, and I don't think Astana will make a pkay for him) or if he's willing to take a risk there is talk of a new Swiss based team coming up, possibly Pro Conti.
Since Gallopin's uncle is DS at Shack, he'll probably end up where his uncle nes up.

 

[the asian]

Someone needs to buy out Becca's interest, return the team to the U.S., then trade the contracts of Andy and Frank to Astana for Brajkovic, Kreuzinger, a few tenges, and a couple of bushels of almas.

Astana doesn't want both Andy & Frank, they only want Andy, and considering Franks' situation it'll be doubtful now if they even want Andy.
Kreuziger is reported to be heading to Saxo -Tinkoff

 

[Carl0880]

So is that Horner's last tour ? That's what they said on TV when he enteted the Champs-Elysées with Hincapie...

Actaully he intends on competing at the tour next year i read in an interview somewhere today.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Anyone know if Kloden is considering riding the Vuelta? His legs seemed okay in the Tours final week.

 

[webvan]

Dunno, he's still younger than Horner ;-) Based on his weak last ITT (good start than near collapse) I'm not sure he needs to bother though except if he still needs to rake in a bit more money...

 

[BillytheKid]

So is that Horner's last tour ? That's what they said on TV when he enteted the Champs-Elysées with Hincapie...

He still wants to keep going and plans on racing through to Lombardy. I think he would race another Tour if given the chance. He says he's going to race the Olympic RR, Utah, Colorado, Canada, Worlds, and then Italy.

http://bcove.me/jeowtet3

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He's done Canada and Lombardy in the past.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Actaully he intends on competing at the tour next year i read in an interview somewhere today.

So that move was just to steal Hincapie's thunder..?

 

[BillytheKid]

So that move was just to steal Hincapie's thunder..?

This was only Horner's 6th Tour. I don't think it's about "Hincapies thunder."

I would not be surprised if he's want's another shot at Pais Vasco and maybe another Tour. Why not think that way in the moment of a Tour where he again was a domestique, but managed leave VdV and Leipheimer in the dust on GC.

Horner's age shows in he's consistant, but seldom can gain the win in the final Ks.

 

[T-Nielsen]

So that move was just to steal Hincapie's thunder..?

To be fair, that was not the first time Hincapie had the honor of entering first.

 

[DominicDecoco]

You do know that it wasn't to be taken THAT serious, right?

 

[Armanius]

So that move was just to steal Hincapie's thunder..?

I was wondering about that as well. Why did Horner latch onto Big George when the peloton gave him the honors of leading into Paris? I don't think Horner and Hincapie are buddies or anything to that level. And Horner certainly isn't retiring. That move by Horner was just odd.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I was wondering about that as well. Why did Horner latch onto Big George when the peloton gave him the honors of leading into Paris? I don't think Horner and Hincapie are buddies or anything to that level. And Horner certainly isn't retiring. That move by Horner was just odd.

Hincapie testified against Armstrong... that's why. This discussion belongs in the Clinic.

 

[JibberJim]

I was wondering about that as well. Why did Horner latch onto Big George when the peloton gave him the honors of leading into Paris? I don't think Horner and Hincapie are buddies or anything to that level. And Horner certainly isn't retiring. That move by Horner was just odd.

BMC were only 36 minutes down on the team competition, the break needed covering.

 

[DominicDecoco]

BMC were only 36 minutes down on the team competition, the break needed covering.

 

[T-Nielsen]

First of all the Horner defending the team gc gag = LOL.

How shure are we that RSNT will fold. Do we have any sources claiming it. Or perhaps even some Race Radio news ?...

 

[Race Radio]

First of all the Horner defending the team gc gag = LOL.

How shure are we that RSNT will fold. Do we have any sources claiming it. Or perhaps even some Race Radio news ?...

Many German and Lux media are reporting they are done. Serious financial issues. Riders and vendors not being paid. No news of new sponsors
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/rennstall-radioshack-nissan-aufstand-der-volkshelden-1.1412418

They could continue but if they do it could be a slow, messy, collapse. It is odd that the spokesman blames their mess on Rupert Murdoch. Sounds like they are out of touch with reality

 

[Armanius]

It amazes me that these "professional" cycling teams could be so badly mismanaged as to fold due to lack of funding. Do they not have business plans which dictate where all the funding is coming from, and what the operational costs will be for each year? And with big sponsors like Radio Shack, Nissan and Trek, they should have lots of $$$, unless the big sponsors are really not contributing all that much. Or I suppose, alternatively, someone could be skimming money from the team. Shame.

 

[T-Nielsen]

It amazes me that these "professional" cycling teams could be so badly mismanaged as to fold due to lack of funding. Do they not have business plans which dictate where all the funding is coming from, and what the operational costs will be for each year? And with big sponsors like Radio Shack, Nissan and Trek, they should have lots of $$$, unless the big sponsors are really not contributing all that much. Or I suppose, alternatively, someone could be skimming money from the team. Shame.

I suppose in this case, the lacking money stems from the share Becca should be putting in. As I have understood it, he has the money, but they are bound in property at the monet. So not from the sponsors per say.

I do agree with you, that it is quite strange, that so many team (going by Horners statement) have problems keeping their payday dates. It seems almost ad hoc at times.

 

[T-Nielsen]

Many German and Lux media are reporting they are done. Serious financial issues. Riders and vendors not being paid. No news of new sponsors
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/rennstall-radioshack-nissan-aufstand-der-volkshelden-1.1412418

They could continue but if they do it could be a slow, messy, collapse. It is odd that the spokesman blames their mess on Rupert Murdoch. Sounds like they are out of touch with reality

I would be more certain of them folding if you just said "I know".

 

[BillytheKid]

I was wondering about that as well. Why did Horner latch onto Big George when the peloton gave him the honors of leading into Paris? I don't think Horner and Hincapie are buddies or anything to that level. And Horner certainly isn't retiring. That move by Horner was just odd.

Hincapie and just about every one else are USA Cycling products except for Horner who went USA Pro for it's brief existance...Horner has never been one of those guys. George got more out prime time. Horner may have been making a statement. Smart of him to self promote with Bicycling and the diaries as he got very little out of the prime time NBC. He has far more career wins than George, just not all in Europe. Well, I hope he gets paid to ride to the end of the year for RSNT and for those diaries. It might help to pay the electric.

 

[BillytheKid]

Many German and Lux media are reporting they are done. Serious financial issues. Riders and vendors not being paid. No news of new sponsors
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/rennstall-radioshack-nissan-aufstand-der-volkshelden-1.1412418

They could continue but if they do it could be a slow, messy, collapse. It is odd that the spokesman blames their mess on Rupert Murdoch. Sounds like they are out of touch with reality

We also know the reason behind the riders affected. The accounts they wanted payment to are non-transparent. The sponsors just do not want to be the acting agent for anything unusual. If the money never touches the hand of the rider....

 

[Antianti]

We also know the reason behind the riders affected. The accounts they wanted payment to are non-transparent. The sponsors just do not want to be the acting agent for anything unusual. If the money never touches the hand of the rider....

"We, the sponsors, are involved in the running of the team in enough detail to be concerned about what kind account-numbers the outstanding payments of the team to its riders are transferred to. Better to have our name tarnished by allegations of missing payments, debt and collapse and to be sued in court."

Yeah, that doesn't sound like a bull**** excuse at all..

 

[BillytheKid]

"We, the sponsors, are involved in the running of the team in enough detail to be concerned about what kind account-numbers the outstanding payments of the team to its riders are transferred to. Better to have our name tarnished by allegations of missing payments, debt and collapse and to be sued in court."

Yeah, that doesn't sound like a bull**** excuse at all..

You've got to be kidding. The sponsors are sitting on some liability with that. The papers that are trashing the sponsors are from where?

I wonder what the rider's contracts say in regard to payment? Like a clause forbidding the very thing. You could be right, but RS had plenty of money for advertising during the past three weeks, I really doubt they wanted to invite more negative publicity by not paying riders during the Tour unless their lawyers said no way.

 

[Race Radio]

We also know the reason behind the riders affected. The accounts they wanted payment to are non-transparent. The sponsors just do not want to be the acting agent for anything unusual. If the money never touches the hand of the rider....

no, that was only for one rider, Fuslang. Not the other three. They also stiffed the manufacture of their mobile kitchen.

 

[BillytheKid]

no, that was only for one rider, Fuslang. Not the other three. They also stiffed the manufacture of their mobile kitchen.

Leopard says otherwise. Not the final word on it, but they're talking about UCI rules. The claim has not been refuted by the UCI since this story ran. I assume the UCI would have chimed-in by now if they were stretching it.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sch...-to-uci-about-non-payment-team-owner-confirms