Livestrong did you know ...

[Ninety5rpm]

I'm assuming site volume equals page views equals advertising dollars.

Me too. So?

The more useful the site, the more the site volume, the more advertising dollars, the more money for Lance.

So, the more useful Lance makes the site for me (and others), the more money he makes. Just like the more useful Bezos makes amazon, the more money he makes.

Perfect. That's how it's supposed to work, isn't it?

 

[Ninety5rpm]

I'm assuming site volume equals page views equals advertising dollars. If that's not the model then traffic volume is moot, only click-throughs (and anyone buying services through the site) matter.

As for why you visit the site . . . more power to you. Again, I can obtain those services elsewhere without personally enriching him under the guise of raising cancer awareness or whatever else motivates you or anyone else to frequent the site. That doesn't make me a hater, any more than you frequenting the site makes you a fan boy/Lance-lover.

Do you know a site that does a better job than livestrong.com? I haven't seen such useful tools anywhere else, but, frankly, I didn't really look either.

It's not a guise. They are linked. I hope that by following livestrong.com I'll be less likely to ever need livestrong.org.

Live strong, dude.

 

[Publicus]

Me too. So?

The more useful the site, the more the site volume, the more advertising dollars, the more money for Lance.

So, the more useful Lance makes the site for me (and others), the more money he makes. Just like the more useful Bezos makes amazon, the more money he makes.

Perfect. That's how it's supposed to work, isn't it?

Sure. Some where in there you'll actually understand my point, none of which had anything to do with whether the methodology was effective.

 

[Publicus]

Do you know a site that does a better job than livestrong.com? I haven't seen such useful tools anywhere else, but, frankly, I didn't really look either.

It's not a guise. They are linked. I hope that by following livestrong.com I'll be less likely to ever need livestrong.org.

Live strong, dude.

Well I guess that explains a few things. You probably should venture out a little more. Lance isn't the end all, be all of cancer awareness, healthy lifestyle options, or fitness information.

And I chose my words carefully, LiveStrong.com is making a profit under the guise of raising cancer awareness and promoting healthy lifestyles. Perhaps you don't like the negative connotation of the word, but it doesn't make the statement any less accurate.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Well I guess that explains a few things. You probably should venture out a little more. Lance isn't the end all, be all of cancer awareness, healthy lifestyle options, or fitness information.

Yeah, well, what can I say?

A few months ago I googled for something like calorie calculator which lead me to the daily plate and livestrong.com. I found more helpful tools there too.

What do you suggest instead?

 

[Publicus]

Yeah, well, what can I say?

A few months ago I googled for something like calorie calculator which lead me to the daily plate and livestrong.com. I found more helpful tools there too.

What do you suggest instead?

That you continue to do you.

 

[scribe]

::yawn::

_______

 

[Publicus]

::yawn::

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Definitely.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Definitely.

Another punt. Sheesh. You nitpicking haters are too much.

 

[Eva Maria]

Another punt. Sheesh. You nitpicking haters are too much.

Give it up, haven't you embarrassed yourself enough for one day?

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Give it up, haven't you embarrassed yourself enough for one day?

What are you talking about?

Publicus completely ignores my points,

Again, I can obtain those services elsewhere without personally enriching him under the guise of raising cancer awareness or whatever else motivates you or anyone else to frequent the site.

Do you know a site that does a better job than livestrong.com? I haven't seen such useful tools anywhere else, but, frankly, I didn't really look either.

It's not a guise. They are linked. I hope that by following livestrong.com I'll be less likely to ever need livestrong.org.

I'm assuming site volume equals page views equals advertising dollars.

Me too. So?

And instead goes off on a tangent:

You probably should venture out a little more. Lance isn't the end all, be all of cancer awareness, healthy lifestyle options, or fitness information.

Which he quickly derides as a snoozefest:

::yawn::

Definitely.

This I appropriately describe to be a punt, you and say I am the one embarrassing myself? Too, too much.

Deny your irrational hatred all you want, you can't see straight because of it.

 

[RightWingNutJob]

Not once has the supposed moral rule that is allegedly being broken here been clearly identified. Saying "you choose not to see it" does identify the moral rule.

All his secret Ninja buddies that hang around the pro cycling circuit told him so, therefore is it so.

 

[Eva Maria]

All his secret Ninja buddies that hang around the pro cycling circuit told him so, therefore is it so.

Don't blame me if you have no friends

 

[RightWingNutJob]

Don't blame me if you have no friends

I have plenty of friends that I pay for.

 

[Publicus]

What are you talking about?

Publicus completely ignores my points,






And instead goes off on a tangent:



Which he quickly derides as a snoozefest:



This I appropriately describe to be a punt, you and say I am the one embarrassing myself? Too, too much.

Deny your irrational hatred all you want, you can't see straight because of it.

Wasn't a punt. You started asking for website tips, I wasn't interested in playing Google for you. So take the LiveStrong feather out of your LivesStrong cap.

Btw, you conveniently left out a few responses I made to create the illusion that I suddenly shifted onto a tangent.

 

[Publicus]

What are you talking about?

Publicus completely ignores my points,






And instead goes off on a tangent:

Sure. Some where in there you'll actually understand my point, none of which had anything to do with whether the methodology was effective.

Well I guess that explains a few things. You probably should venture out a little more. Lance isn't the end all, be all of cancer awareness, healthy lifestyle options, or fitness information.

And I chose my words carefully, LiveStrong.com is making a profit under the guise of raising cancer awareness and promoting healthy lifestyles. Perhaps you don't like the negative connotation of the word, but it doesn't make the statement any less accurate.

Yeah, well, what can I say?

A few months ago I googled for something like calorie calculator which lead me to the daily plate and livestrong.com. I found more helpful tools there too.

What do you suggest instead?

That you continue to do you.

Which he quickly derides as a snoozefest:



This I appropriately describe to be a punt, you and say I am the one embarrassing myself? Too, too much.

Deny your irrational hatred all you want, you can't see straight because of it.

I've inserted other parts of the conversation that you conveniently left out to create your illusion.

 

[Digger]

What are you talking about?

Publicus completely ignores my points,






And instead goes off on a tangent:



Which he quickly derides as a snoozefest:



This I appropriately describe to be a punt, you and say I am the one embarrassing myself? Too, too much.

Deny your irrational hatred all you want, you can't see straight because of it.

Ninety five, that's classy the way you took out some of what Publicus said, in order to make your position 'appear' stronger. Very impressive.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

I've inserted other parts of the conversation that you conveniently left out to create your illusion.

I took out the parts that were irrelevant to the point I was making (that you ignored my main points) for the purpose of brevity. My point stands, doubled, now that you've gone off on yet another tangent, still punting on the main topic.

For example, you made the claim that raising cancer awareness is a guise - implying that it's not real - when using livestrong.com: "Again, I can obtain those services elsewhere without personally enriching him under the guise of raising cancer awareness or whatever else motivates you or anyone else to frequent the site."

I responded that it's not a guise, and briefly explained why: It's not a guise. They are linked. I hope that by following livestrong.com I'll be less likely to ever need livestrong.org.


That is, raising cancer awareness is not a guise of livestrong.com - it actually does raise cancer awareness.

And this was your "response": "And I chose my words carefully, LiveStrong.com is making a profit under the guise of raising cancer awareness and promoting healthy lifestyles. Perhaps you don't like the negative connotation of the word, but it doesn't make the statement any less accurate. "

You totally ignored my point. For example, one might say, "Ford sells cr@ppy cars under the guise of high quality". You see? This only make sense if the Ford cars are not actually high quality. If the cars Ford sells are actually of high quality, the statement that they are sold "under the guise of high quality" is b.s. The statement must be evaluated based on the veracity of the "guise" qualification.

In your case, the guise qualification is "raising cancer awareness and promoting healthy lifestyles". I say again, with respect to livestrong.com, it's not a guise, because livestrong.com does actually help raise cancer awareness and promote healthy lifestyles.

This is the point you ignored. Instead, you chose to advise me to "venture out more" with respect to learning about other sites that provide information and tools for healthy living, implying that you have personal knowledge about such sites, and then later revealing that you yourself have not even followed this advice.

Your intense dislike for Lance Armstrong, someone you've never met, I presume, apparently comes from such a remote crevice of your brain that you're not even aware of it, or how it muddles your objectivity, and makes rational discourse impossible.

I'm done here.

 

[Eva Maria]

I'm done here.

Your best contribution to this thread so far.

 

[53 x 11]

I'm done here.

It could be better. It could be simply "I'm done".

 

[scribe]

It could be better. It could be simply "I'm done".

I AM.

Has a nice existentialist feel to it.

 

[pinlutax]

uhm,Thanks so much 4 sharing with us,bros

 

[rhubroma]

I actually agree with Ninety5rpm. He does help raise money and awareness for cancer patients and he does a good job. We all need to make a buck, and he spends a lot of his time raising this money and should be paid for these efforts. I have problems with other aspects of his comeback (ie, returning for cancer awareness, but not contributing the proceeds of his comeback, such as appearance fees, to Livestrong), but I have no beef with him earning money.

LA does not need to make a buck. He's got plenty. And there is nothing noble in what he is doing. It is indecorous for a for-profit organization to be packaged in the form of a non-profit one, which in turn is supposed to be a wholesome, not riddled with a conflict of interests way to raise funds for cancer.

Just disgusting. Period.

PS: I don't think a man of Armstrong's wealth needs to be paid one cent for any of his charitable enterprizes. He's got loads of other business oppurtunities for that. For a true charitable spirit to exist, by definition, business has to be taken out of the equation. For him it should be simply about giving, not recieving. Now that would earn my respect in light of it being about a noble cause. However, Mr. Armstrong has, because of his profiteering, incredibly been able transform the entire racket (which is what it more properly has become), into an ignoble thing. Takes a real cynic to do that.

In any case, one knows that with most Americans it's all about money, whether descently or indescently earned. So why have a beef with that, right?

 

[Race Radio]

LA does not need to make a buck. He's got plenty. And there is nothing noble in what he is doing. It is indecorous for a for-profit organization to be packaged in the form of a non-profit one, which in turn is supposed to be a wholesome, not riddled with a conflict of interests way to raise funds for cancer.

Just disgusting. Period.

PS: I don't think a man of Armstrong's wealth needs to be paid one cent for any of his charitable enterprizes. He's got loads of other business oppurtunities for that. For a true charitable spirit to exist, by definition, business has to be taken out of the equation. For him it should be simply about giving, not recieving. Now that would earn my respect in light of it being about a noble cause. However, Mr. Armstrong has, because of his profiteering, incredibly been able transform the entire racket (which is what it more properly has become), into an ignoble thing. Takes a real cynic to do that.

In any case, one knows that with most Americans it's all about money, whether descently or indescently earned. So why have a beef with that, right?

Armstrong is divorced ($11 million) and got hammered in the stock market.

Only the most devoted groupie would believe that the return is about Cancer Awareness. It is about Lance Awareness.

 

[Anonymous]

Damn all these rich people wanting to make more money. They should just give it all away!