BillytheKid said:
So a line of trainers is a conflict of interest? OK, you finally won me over.
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BillytheKid said:
No, he sued Trek because they were not promoting his brand of bikes. Why they weren't was because of Armsrrong.BillytheKid said:Why did he sue TREK? Because his bikes were not selling and he blamed Armstrong's influence with TREK in the matter.
Sorry that asking you to back up what you wrote upsets you.BillytheKid said:I sure that private citizen Lemond has that link up for the public to view of all his finacial statements. Most of us do right? Know wait, that's only required of public officials.
Your world is nothing, but links. There is nothing in it except links. Nothing exists outside the web. The lack of a link does not dislodge common knowledge.
noddy69 said:What has his money situation got to do with this might I ask since I was ignored by the main protagonist who reckons we all should know gregs finances....why?
Dr. Maserati said:No, he sued Trek because they were not promoting his brand of bikes. Why they weren't was because of Armsrrong.
Sorry that asking you to back up what you wrote upsets you.
Here is a link to a deal Greg was getting involved in just 2 years ago for $8 million - which is a nice bit of cash for a guy who has lost his fortune
BillytheKid said:Truely a speculative statement, but based on the fact the sports careers end, and with that a paycheck. Sports stars run on endoresments and post career slots. Baseball great Mickey Mantle died with about $50,000 left to his name signing and selling baseballs. Lemond did lose big to the Texan. It would not be an unlikely motive to strike at the one who stole your thunder. Lemond was promoting bike tours during the 1999 tour. When ask then about Armstrong, he seem a little of the mark in his praise as I recall. Lemond Inc. was going south in a hurry. I remember the markdowns on his bikes. He's back in the business selling his trainers, but I bet the manufacturer is getting the most of it. The career posts are long term employment...something long term or regular job is what you want. People are posting down Chris Horner as dumb while Lemond does not even know that you never nominate yourself for a post. You gain support and have someone else do it for you, but I doubt if he's really that dumb. It makes headlines and keeps the name alive. We all have to work for a living or face the grim tiller. Those who achieve fame often are challenge when the star fades, especially in sports, but your right, I have no specifics on Greg, but his actions make you wonder.
The suit was settled in 2008. The investment was made in 2002.BillytheKid said:Yeh, that was actually when it went belly up. Real Estate was not such a choice in 2008. Like said in other post, he sued and won.
red_flanders said:My understanding is that Lemond is very well off. And I know he was talking about doping long before Armstrong approached or passed his record. So I think what you're suggesting is ********.
The_Z_man said:The suit was settled in 2008. The investment was made in 2002.
P.S. Arguing that the people bilking you were diverting money into personal accounts doesn't seem like "sour grapes" to me.
BillytheKid said:Your right about the dates, but note it's "Lemond and in-laws." The orignal point, however, was he indeed did sue TREK over a rift between and he and Armstrong and the LA influence over TREK and impct on his brand...lost revenue. To say there was no bad blood over business, right or wrong, is false. He sued over the loss of revenue in a business deal. He has a knack for conflict among his contemporaries. Boyer. Hinault. Fingnon. Armstrong.
BillytheKid said:Not really, and I am not surprised if he's making money now. What I am saying is these guys are cut from the same clothe. They all are overtly aggressive.
Look at Lemond chase down Boyer in 1982. First he drags the main bunch up to to a couple of chasers and then goes straight after him. The first effort to close the gap to the chasers is the worst. That really put a nail in Boyer's chances. I would give Boyer about a 30% chance otherwise. Lemond is shameless in what he did and is racing like a Cat. 4 not realizing someone else might do the work if he would just ride wheel in the front of the bunch, if not your teammate wins a world title. Boyer might have made it if the bunch started looking at each other, but Lemond shows his true colors here and robs Boyer of a once in lifetime chance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjZnpXZ9MP4
The only person who thought Boyer had a prayer was Boyer. Bearing in mind that there was no US team at that time, and Lemond paid for his own participation, Lemond's actions were perfectly reasonable.BillytheKid said:Not really, and I am not surprised if he's making money now. What I am saying is these guys are cut from the same clothe. They all are overtly aggressive.
Look at Lemond chase down Boyer in 1982. First he drags the main bunch up to to a couple of chasers and then goes straight after him. The first effort to close the gap to the chasers is the worst. That really put a nail in Boyer's chances. I would give Boyer about a 30% chance otherwise. Lemond is shameless in what he did and is racing like a Cat. 4 not realizing someone else might do the work if he would just ride wheel in the front of the bunch, if not your teammate wins a world title. Boyer might have made it if the bunch started looking at each other, but Lemond shows his true colors here and robs Boyer of a once in lifetime chance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjZnpXZ9MP4
BillytheKid said:He has a knack for conflict among his contemporaries. Boyer. Hinault. Fingnon. Armstrong.
BillytheKid said:Truely a speculative statement...
thehog said:What experience did McQuaid have? Irish road cycling president for 3 years. He wasn't even a European pro! Just a hack in the UK.
Besides, is running an international sports product company not enough?
What do you want? The head of FIFI?
BillytheKid said:Lemond is looking for cash in wake of his victory over the Texan. Regain the throne sort of mentality I would say. Lemond looks to be as deluded as the Texas wonderkid who took it from him using better doping than he had available. It's like a two-year old ranting "I want my fame and fortune back." Your avitar had much to say about the "little helpers" of his generation. I have no proof that Greg did, but I also have little doubt Fignon had reason to lie about what was going on in the sport then. Was Greg so much better than those those who used? In Dubious Battle? What's what and who's who?
BillytheKid said:Your right about the dates, but note it's "Lemond and in-laws." The orignal point, however, was he indeed did sue TREK over a rift between and he and Armstrong and the LA influence over TREK and impct on his brand...lost revenue. To say there was no bad blood over business, right or wrong, is false. He sued over the loss of revenue in a business deal. He has a knack for conflict among his contemporaries. Boyer. Hinault. Fingnon. Armstrong.
Master50 said:I am trying to figure out if you are trying to support my argument. Well you have show Pat is qualified and Greg has related experience.
No, running a sports organization is not like running a business, the goals are not aligned and while I will acknowledge Greg may be a businessman and even a good one he is not experienced in sports governance. Greg isn't even eligible at this point as he would need to be elected as a candidate put forth from USA cycling. Even if McQuaid quit today Greg is not going to be the guy in any short order. Do you think that there might be someone else at USA cycling who is already eligible to be an American candidate for president?
Sure the UCI could be replaced with another organization that would be indistinguishable from the one in place once they are finished with the IOC and the one hundred and some federations who also have to cede their power to the new organization. Maybe the pros could get out but no one who ever wanted to race in an olympic sport. For non pros the only amateur route is through carding out of the federation. Most government support goes only to athletes in olympic sports. Do you know that Downhill MTB riders and Cyclocross racers get no federal funding but all the olympic cycling disciplines do. So all the amateurs in your breakaway Sport will lose any government funding as will facilities and coaches. Might work for the US but in Canada the sport would collapse overnight.
Now none of this prevents Mr Lemond from pursuing a UCI presidency or from being the president of any new cycling organization but don't expect that the people who would elect him might not have other ideas about who should run? If USA Cycling wanted to make a run at the UCI presidency whom do you think they would back? I don't see Greg at the top of the list and I wouldn't put it past a board member or 2 that would want Lance over Greg but that is only speculation.
I do like Greg and I think he is a man of great integrity but This is a job for a politician and Greg is too blunt. (Did I really just type that?)
Yup I reread it. Politics need skill at politics and the job is political. Just like I would not be a good politician I certainly have not seen much skill in that regard from Greg. He is too blunt.
Yeah I know be the change you want and I do wish for honestly from our politicians but bad politicians cause a lot of problems when they don't know how to get the population to look forward to the trip. Even honest ones need it too.
Master50 said:I am trying to figure out if you are trying to support my argument. Well you have show Pat is qualified and Greg has related experience.
No, running a sports organization is not like running a business, the goals are not aligned and while I will acknowledge Greg may be a businessman and even a good one he is not experienced in sports governance. Greg isn't even eligible at this point as he would need to be elected as a candidate put forth from USA cycling. Even if McQuaid quit today Greg is not going to be the guy in any short order. Do you think that there might be someone else at USA cycling who is already eligible to be an American candidate for president?
Sure the UCI could be replaced with another organization that would be indistinguishable from the one in place once they are finished with the IOC and the one hundred and some federations who also have to cede their power to the new organization. Maybe the pros could get out but no one who ever wanted to race in an olympic sport. For non pros the only amateur route is through carding out of the federation. Most government support goes only to athletes in olympic sports. Do you know that Downhill MTB riders and Cyclocross racers get no federal funding but all the olympic cycling disciplines do. So all the amateurs in your breakaway Sport will lose any government funding as will facilities and coaches. Might work for the US but in Canada the sport would collapse overnight.
Now none of this prevents Mr Lemond from pursuing a UCI presidency or from being the president of any new cycling organization but don't expect that the people who would elect him might not have other ideas about who should run? If USA Cycling wanted to make a run at the UCI presidency whom do you think they would back? I don't see Greg at the top of the list and I wouldn't put it past a board member or 2 that would want Lance over Greg but that is only speculation.
I do like Greg and I think he is a man of great integrity but This is a job for a politician and Greg is too blunt. (Did I really just type that?)
Yup I reread it. Politics need skill at politics and the job is political. Just like I would not be a good politician I certainly have not seen much skill in that regard from Greg. He is too blunt.
Yeah I know be the change you want and I do wish for honestly from our politicians but bad politicians cause a lot of problems when they don't know how to get the population to look forward to the trip. Even honest ones need it too.
Dr. Maserati said:As for LeMond- he is not looking to be UCI president. He merely agreed to be considered if the UCI imploded and needed to be restructured, which is highly unlikely. Greg is as capable and worthy as anyone.
Master50 said:I am trying to figure out if you are trying to support my argument. Well you have show Pat is qualified and Greg has related experience.
No, running a sports organization is not like running a business, the goals are not aligned and while I will acknowledge Greg may be a businessman and even a good one he is not experienced in sports governance. Greg isn't even eligible at this point as he would need to be elected as a candidate put forth from USA cycling. Even if McQuaid quit today Greg is not going to be the guy in any short order. Do you think that there might be someone else at USA cycling who is already eligible to be an American candidate for president?
Sure the UCI could be replaced with another organization that would be indistinguishable from the one in place once they are finished with the IOC and the one hundred and some federations who also have to cede their power to the new organization. Maybe the pros could get out but no one who ever wanted to race in an olympic sport. For non pros the only amateur route is through carding out of the federation. Most government support goes only to athletes in olympic sports. Do you know that Downhill MTB riders and Cyclocross racers get no federal funding but all the olympic cycling disciplines do. So all the amateurs in your breakaway Sport will lose any government funding as will facilities and coaches. Might work for the US but in Canada the sport would collapse overnight.
Now none of this prevents Mr Lemond from pursuing a UCI presidency or from being the president of any new cycling organization but don't expect that the people who would elect him might not have other ideas about who should run? If USA Cycling wanted to make a run at the UCI presidency whom do you think they would back? I don't see Greg at the top of the list and I wouldn't put it past a board member or 2 that would want Lance over Greg but that is only speculation.
I do like Greg and I think he is a man of great integrity but This is a job for a politician and Greg is too blunt. (Did I really just type that?)
Yup I reread it. Politics need skill at politics and the job is political. Just like I would not be a good politician I certainly have not seen much skill in that regard from Greg. He is too blunt.
Yeah I know be the change you want and I do wish for honestly from our politicians but bad politicians cause a lot of problems when they don't know how to get the population to look forward to the trip. Even honest ones need it too.
sashimono said:Greg Lemond knows nothing about Africa?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/mcquaid-dismisses-populist-challenge-218040.html