Malori against CIRC suggested night-time testing

[maxmartin]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/malori-against-circ-suggested-night-time-testing

 

[DirtyWorks]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/malori-against-circ-suggested-night-time-testing

Surprised?

"However we?re controlled from six in the morning till 11 at night. And after doing six hours (on the bike) and then facing another five hours the next day, I don?t think it?s right to be controlled at night, too. There should be some respect for our work."

Respect you say... After busting your _ss on a bike for 6 hours a day.... Hmmm... Lemmie think about it.

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/malori-against-circ-suggested-night-time-testing

Though by placing himself in the top 5 TTers is something of a self-administered placement on a suspicion index, it it not really clear if this confirms anything more than you don't need a high IQ to be a cyclist.

Obviously nobody would want to be woken up in the middle of the night for a doping test, let alone most anything else.

But, the recommendation was well-qualifed:

"... as per the 2015 UCI Anti-Doping Rules, when a "serious and specific suspicion that the rider may be engaged in doping.""...

You know, like all the lights are on??

If they are already up and active, would you really have an issue if a competitor was to be tested? BTW it is already part of the rules.

Word to the wise:

Anything you say right now that even obliquely criticizes recommendations in the CIRC report will be interpreted, without controversy, as tacit confirmation that you are either a doper, a perpetuator of Omerta, or both.

Alternately, as noted, that you are a stupid doper and perpetuator of Omerta.

Dave.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I agree with Malori. In cycling recovery is vital and sleep = recovery. Wtf can you imagine if a rider had an off-day and lost the race after being woken at 3AM the night before?

 

[ebandit]

i'm free

citizens deserve the right to sleep at night....................night shift workers

would not be interrupted through the daytime

Mark L

 

[DirtyWorks]

I agree with Malori. In cycling recovery is vital and sleep = recovery. Wtf can you imagine if a rider had an off-day and lost the race after being woken at 3AM the night before?

Yeah, the problem being winning a race usually requires doping.

So, stop doping everybody and nighttime testing will stop.

 

[neineinei]

If he was woken at 3 A.M. there would have to be "serious and specific suspicion that the rider may be engaged in doping". It's already in the rules, they have signed on for it.

Sometimes the fire alarm goes off in the middle of the night. Sometimes there are cats wailing in the backyard. Sometimes there is serious and specific suspicion that one is microdosing EPO, All those times one might get too little sleep that night and lose a race.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Its not like they are going be banging on everyone's doors.

Specific intelligent (did I just type that) use of a power they already have.

 

[mrhender]

If he was woken at 3 A.M. there would have to be "serious and specific suspicion that the rider may be engaged in doping". It's already in the rules, they have signed on for it.

Sometimes the fire alarm goes off in the middle of the night. Sometimes there are cats wailing in the backyard. Sometimes there is serious and specific suspicion that one is microdosing EPO, All those times one might get too little sleep that night and lose a race.

I concur with this...

At some point they also need to stop whining....

If they really wanted to influence the anti-doping mechanisms they could have participated in the CIRC process and at all times call out the cheaters so that testing in night time wouldn't be necessary...

 

[D-Queued]

I concur with this...

At some point they also need to stop whining....

If they really wanted to influence the anti-doping mechanisms they could have participated in the CIRC process and at all times call out the cheaters so that testing in night time wouldn't be necessary...

This. And this. Exactly.

Dave.

 

[LaFlorecita]

If he was woken at 3 A.M. there would have to be "serious and specific suspicion that the rider may be engaged in doping". It's already in the rules, they have signed on for it.

Sometimes the fire alarm goes off in the middle of the night. Sometimes there are cats wailing in the backyard. Sometimes there is serious and specific suspicion that one is microdosing EPO, All those times one might get too little sleep that night and lose a race.

Who decides what "serious or specific suspicion" is? I'm sorry but 6AM to 11PM is already a very big testing window. This is inhumane and ***. No need to go this far.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I concur with this...

At some point they also need to stop whining....

If they really wanted to influence the anti-doping mechanisms they could have participated in the CIRC process and at all times call out the cheaters so that testing in night time wouldn't be necessary...

Whining? Whining? They are standing up for their rights. What's next ? Video surveillance in their hotel rooms? A WADA chaperone following them around 24/7, 365 days a year? FFS. Enough is ENOUGH and too far is TOO FAR.

 

[LaFlorecita]

citizens deserve the right to sleep at night....................night shift workers

would not be interrupted through the daytime

Mark L

I agree with you, as usual

 

[veganrob]

I concur with this...

At some point they also need to stop whining....

If they really wanted to influence the anti-doping mechanisms they could have participated in the CIRC process and at all times call out the cheaters so that testing in night time wouldn't be necessary...

Now that, is very well said.

 

[mrhender]

Who decides what "serious or specific suspicion" is? I'm sorry but 6AM to 11PM is already a very big testing window. This is inhumane and ***. No need to go this far.

I'am sorry but what is *** is that riders instead of taking care of their haelth and get the sleep they need -keep themselves up at late hours to micro-dose and thereyby avoid positives... This is not my theory -it is described in the report by a witness...

 

[LaFlorecita]

I'am sorry but what is *** is that riders instead of taking care of their haelth and get the sleep they need -keep themselves up at late hours to micro-dose and thereyby avoid positives... This is not my theory -it is described in the report by a witness...

That is their own choice - besides if they do it I bet they would do it just after 11PM for obvious reasons. Doping is *** and unhealthy that does not mean the doping authorities should be savages and should not allow athletes to recover well. Anyone with a brain and a sense of what is right can figure that out.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why do you guys think the testing window was put into place to begin with?


The words "witch hunt" come to mind

 

[mrhender]

That is their own choice - besides if they do it I bet they would do it just after 11PM for obvious reasons. Doping is *** and unhealthy that does not mean the doping authorities should be savages and should not allow athletes to recover well. Anyone with a brain and a sense of what is right can figure that out.

You are in my opinion getting very emotional and personal..

I will not discuss this further with you before you calm down...

 

[maxmartin]

You are in my opinion getting very emotional and personal..

I will not discuss this further with you before you calm down...

AC fangirls/boys are always emotional and personal. That is the trademark of that group in this forum.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You are in my opinion getting very emotional and personal..

I'm sorry but if something feels wrong to me I cannot and will not accept it. This feels wrong to me, very wrong and it frustrates me that people treat it as if it's the most natural thing in the world and the only right thing to do.

I will not discuss this further with you before you calm down...

Your loss.
If you think I'll just let you guys continue vilifying a rider rightfully expressing his concerns. You're wrong.
But that's just what the Clinic does, right? Only one opinion is allowed. Only one opinion is right.

 

[LaFlorecita]

AC fangirls/boys are always emotional and personal. That is the trademark of that group in this forum.

And Nibali fanbois are always annoying and trolls.

 

[mrhender]

AC fangirls/boys are always emotional and personal. That is the trademark of that group in this forum.

If you have nothing to contribute take your bait elsewhere please...

 

[neineinei]

Who decides what "serious or specific suspicion" is? I'm sorry but 6AM to 11PM is already a very big testing window. This is inhumane and ***. No need to go this far.

Obviously the testing authority decides. They have access to bio passport data and the other information needed to build serious and specific suspicion. And obviously this hasn't been abused, the riders doesn't even know they can be subject to night testing. You bet they would have heard about it in the peloton if anyone actually had been awoken for a test. But it is completly foreign to them.

The no testing window at night is widely reported to be used for microdosing. It has been going on since the EPO test was introduced.

 

[mrhender]

I'm sorry but if something feels wrong to me I cannot and will not accept it. This feels wrong to me, very wrong and it frustrates me that people treat it as if it's the most natural thing in the world and the only right thing to do.



Your loss.
If you think I'll just let you guys continue vilifying a rider rightfully expressing his concerns. You're wrong.
But that's just what the Clinic does, right? Only one opinion is allowed. Only one opinion is right.

He is right to express his concerns. And we are right to scrutinize...

The point was why almost no-one expressed their concerns to CIRC thus missing a chance to influence anti-doping meassures in general.

I agree that night-testing can be counterproductive to performance.

But as long as doping is rampant -holes in testing are being exploited, and no-one aid's the cause then the peleton have made their own bed...

It is not about a singular clinic-villyfing game..
I disagree with lots of clinic posters on many issues here, and plenty others disagree with me and we all air our opinions...

I don't aim to deicide your opinion, only that the discussion is on a level addressing the issues in a non- "anyone with a brain" way...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Surprised?

"However we?re controlled from six in the morning till 11 at night. And after doing six hours (on the bike) and then facing another five hours the next day, I don?t think it?s right to be controlled at night, too. There should be some respect for our work."

Respect you say... After busting your _ss on a bike for 6 hours a day.... Hmmm... Lemmie think about it.

Whats wrong with that? Would you like to be woken up at night before the next hard working day? ... Just that the testers get what they want: That they get evidence that you may "work-place-doped" yourself up ... I wouldnt like that.