March 17th 2012 Milan-Sanremo - The Primavera - 298km

[Richeypen]

In kilos, please.

Says he's down to 70kg

 

[taiwan]

Well, actually I was being snarky - there's a limited amount you can tell from a photo, particularly one in a baggy T-shirt. He says he's 70kg? I dunno - the proof is in the pudding XP

Had to google that one to get it right (wrong).

 

[Richeypen]

Well, actually I was being snarky - there's a limited amount you can tell from a photo, particularly one in a baggy T-shirt. He says he's 70kg? I dunno - the proof is in the pudding XP

Had to google that one to get it right (wrong).

Actually you can tell a lot. When Cav is out of shape it tends to show on his face. He is looking very gaunt in that pic

 

[taiwan]

Actually you can tell a lot. When Cav is out of shape it tends to show on his face. He is looking very gaunt in that pic

It's in profile.

[edit] you can tell he's had a haircut recently.

 

[cycladianpirate]

The expression is actually "the proof of the pudding is in the eating", but there you go.

Still think the betting markets reflect the chances of the various riders. Not that I'd back Cavendish. If all goes "to plan", then he has a superb chance. But when did planning ever have anything to do with cycling - particularly 300kms of cycling?

Most importantly, though, has anyone here seen any weather forecasts yet?

 

[maltiv]

The expression is actually "the proof of the pudding is in the eating", but there you go.

Still think the betting markets reflect the chances of the various riders. Not that I'd back Cavendish. If all goes "to plan", then he has a superb chance. But when did planning ever have anything to do with cycling - particularly 300kms of cycling?

Most importantly, though, has anyone here seen any weather forecasts yet?

Sun, no wind and 11 degrees, which increases the chances of a bunch sprint significantly.

 

[iZnoGouD]

i want to win some money, should i bet on Cancellara or in Oscar Freire?

 

[jens_attacks]

Not saying he doesn't have a chance just that the pic makes him look fat, if it comes down to a bunch sprint I am 90% sure he will take it.

i was joking in the winter time that cav will look this year like wiggo but he will still be killing everybody in a sprint...of course a hyperbole.
but i was right,i've never saw cav looking that fit,maybe not even in 2009
look in that photo at his legs and arms,almost unrecognisable.
lol or maybe you believe that's a belly and i shouldn't bother anymore...

cav looks in fantastic form.

 

[taiwan]

The expression is actually "the proof of the pudding is in the eating", but there you go.

Yeah I was being ironic by deliberately making a common mistake. I had to check it in order to do though, which was a bit pathetic. I also had to check that the expression for this misuse of a phrase is an "eggcorn". Who knew?

What a waste of a post.

Oh, "EGGCORN", I get it.

Actually, probably not an eggcorn. anyone care?

 

[cycladianpirate]

Sun, no wind and 11 degrees, which increases the chances of a bunch sprint significantly.

Oooohh, maybe 7/2 doesn't look so bad after all.....

I'm right in thinking that it's about 2km of flat from the bottom of the Poggio to the finish am I?

 

[cycladianpirate]

Yeah I was being ironic by deliberately making a common mistake. I had to check it in order to do though, which was a bit pathetic. I also had to check that the expression for this misuse of a phrase is an "eggcorn". Who knew?

What a waste of a post.

Oh, "EGGCORN", I get it.

Actually, probably not an eggcorn. anyone care?

Sorry if I caused offence - it's obviously impossible to tell if other forum members have english as their first language or not.

(I had to google Eggcorn myself!!!)

 

[Panda Claws]

Oooohh, maybe 7/2 doesn't look so bad after all.....

I'm right in thinking that it's about 2km of flat from the bottom of the Poggio to the finish am I?

Make that around 3 km.

 

[Climbing]

Oooohh, maybe 7/2 doesn't look so bad after all.....

I'm right in thinking that it's about 2km of flat from the bottom of the Poggio to the finish am I?

Actually it's almost 3.
I would love to have that cut to half at least, that would be really better for the finale.

 

[cycladianpirate]

Make that around 3 km.

Actually it's almost 3.
I would love to have that cut to half at least, that would be really better for the finale.

Many thanks.

Good weather. 3km run-in. Oh dear.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiJjJMdOvhQ

1t4i training at Le Manie.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Sun, no wind and 11 degrees, which increases the chances of a bunch sprint significantly.

looks like only a crash might make it interesting.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Y'all going to be seeing plenty of this today on the Poggio except he will stay away!

 

[online-rider]

Wouldn't be a smart move. Nibali will me much more needed afterwards in the downhill and the final km's to keep the pack together. If Nibali kills himself up the Poggio Sagan will be left with no teammates alongside him and a select group of riders who will be looking to drop Sagan.

Can you reveal more from inside this crystal ball?

the ascent times up poggio,clocked and verified by me:

Poggio
2011:4 km@3,7%---6:25---average speed 37.40 km/h(Nibali-Cancellara)
2010:4 km@3,7%---6:14---average speed 38.50 km/h(Pozzato-Gilbert)
2009:4 km@3,7%---6:04---average speed 39.56 km/h(Filippo Pozzato)
2008:4 km@3,7%---6:07---average speed 39.24 km/h(Philippe Gilbert)
2007:4 km@3,7%---6:13---average speed 38.61 km/h(Gilbert-Ricco)
2006:4 km@3,7%---6:11---average speed 38.81 km/h(Ballan-Pozzato)
2005:4 km@3,7%---6:04---average speed 39.56 km/h(Pellizotti-Rebellin-Kirchen-Celestino-Merckx)
2004:4 km@3,7%---6:27---average speed 37.21 km/h(Bettini-Vicioso-S.Sanchez-Celestino-100+ riders peloton)
2003:4 km@3,7%---6'10'' bettini-paolini-celestino(according to davide cassani)
2002:4 km@3,7%---6'15'' bettini(according to davide cassani)
2001:4 km@3,7%---6:02---average speed 39.78 km/h(Rebellin-Bartoli-Colombo-Van Petegem-Petito)
2000:4 km@3,7%---5:56---average speed 40.45 km/h(Rebellin-Van Petegem-Tchmil)
1999:4 km@3,7%---6:04---average speed 39.56 km/h(Gabriele Colombo)
1998:4 km@3,7%---5:51---average speed 41.03 km/h(Alberto Elli)
1997:4 km@3,7%---6:03---average speed 39.67 km/h(Bartoli-Museeuw-Ferigato)
1996:4 km@3,7%---6:27---average speed 37.21 km/h(Colombo-Gontchenkov-Coppolillo-Sciandri)
6:10---average speed 38.92 km/h(Favourites group)
1995:4 km@3,7%---5:46---average speed 41.62 km/h(Fondriest-Jalabert)
1994:4 km@3,7%---6:01---average speed 39.89 km/h(Giorgio Furlan)
1993:4 km@3,7%---6:07---average speed 39.24 km/h(Maurizio Fondriest)
1992:4 km@3,7%---6:07---average speed 39.24 km/h(Moreno Argentin)
1991:4 km@3,7%---6:57---average speed 34.53 km/h(Claudio Chiappucci)
1990:4 km@3,7%---7:02---average speed 34.12 km/h(Gianni Bugno)
1989:4 km@3,7%---6:48---average speed 35.29 km/h(Laurent Fignon)
1988:
1987:4 km@3,7%---6:48---average speed 35.29 km/h(Erich Maechler)
6:31---average speed 36.83 km/h(Kelly-Vanderaerden-30 riders group)

and cipressa

Cipressa:
2011:5,7 km@4,1%---9:47---average speed 34.96 km/h(Michele Scarponi)
2010:5,7 km@4,1%---10:05---average speed 33.92 km/h(Lampre led peloton)
2009:5,7 km@4,1%---9:45---average speed 35.08 km/h(Basso-Nibali-Rebellin-30 riders group)
2008:5,7 km@4,1%---10:08---average speed 33.75 km/h(Bettini-Rebellin-Lovkvist-Axelsson)
2007:5,7 km@4,1%---9:56---average speed 34.43 km/h(Pellizotti-Moletta-Popovych)
2006:5,7 km@4,1%---9:55---average speed 34.49 km/h(60+ riders peloton)
2005:5,7 km@4,1%---9:57---average speed 34.37 km/h(Fassa Bortolo 100+ riders led peloton)
2004:5,7 km@4,1%---10:01---average speed 34.14 km/h(100+riders peloton)
2003:5,7 km@4,1%---9'52'' bettini-vinokourov-rebellin(according to davide cassani)
2002:5,7 km@4,1%---10'04'' kivilev-gutierrez(according to davide cassani)
2001:5,7 km@4,1%---9:35---average speed 35.69 km/h(Francesco Casagrande)
2000:5,7 km@4,1%---9'50'' bartoli-dominguez(according to davide cassani)
1999:5,7 km@4,1%---9'37'' pantani(according to davide cassani)
1998:5,7 km@4,1%---9:38---average speed 35.50 km/h(Hamburger-Elli-80+ riders peloton)
1997:5,7 km@4,1%---9:42---average speed 35.26 km/h(Stefano Della Santa)
1996:5,7 km@4,1%---9:19---average speed 36.71 km/h(Colombo-Gontchenkov)
1995:5,7 km@4,1%---
1994:5,7 km@4,1%---
1993:5,7 km@4,1%---10:04---average speed 33.97 km/h(Bontempi-Fondriest-Armstrong-120 riders peloton)
1992:5,7 km@4,1%---10:05---average speed 33.92 km/h(Raul Alcala)
1991:
1990:
1989:5,7 km@4,1%---10:30---average speed 32.57 km/h(PDM 40+ riders led peloton)
1988:
1987:5,7 km@4,1%---11:22---average speed 30.09 km/h(Erich Maechler)

beautiful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfKGMYKGB4g

check the videos of 1996 cipressa,colombo attacks so hard,something like 55 km/h uphill,catches the motorbikes in front of him and they can't get accelerate faster than him.beyond barbaric!


i hope it will be again a hard race with few sprinters,i'd prefer none at all.

Jesus where did you get these figures?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

That's very very optimistic considering Van Avermaet's heel problems. I'd be suprised if he top-30's with all his injury problems as of late

edit: lol the jump between 91 and 92

1992:4 km@3,7%---6:07---average speed 39.24 km/h(Moreno Argentin)
1991:4 km@3,7%---6:57---average speed 34.53 km/h(Claudio Chiappucci)

All of a sudden they went up 5km/h faster than before..
Hmmm I WONDER HOW THAT IS POSSIBLE /sarcasm

 

[jens_attacks]

That's very very optimistic considering Van Avermaet's heel problems. I'd be suprised if he top-30's with all his injury problems as of late

edit: lol the jump between 91 and 92

1992:4 km@3,7%---6:07---average speed 39.24 km/h(Moreno Argentin)
1991:4 km@3,7%---6:57---average speed 34.53 km/h(Claudio Chiappucci)

All of a sudden they went up 5km/h faster than before..
Hmmm I WONDER HOW THAT IS POSSIBLE /sarcasm

nah,it's not what you think.
basically before 1992,there was no peloton arriving at the foot of the poggio.chiappucci i think attacked on turchino,who does that nowadays?everyone is fit and will catch you.
can't compare the times anyway,keep in mind there are lots of factors involved.but as a funny fact,there are always welcomed.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Oh come one Jens Attacks its a well known fact there happened a lot clinic-wise in the early 90-ties.

It's too bad cyclismag is gone, they also had the times up climbs and wattages go up severely in the Tour somewhere around 92/93. Same can be said for climbing times in classics around that time. Top riders who didn't went with it suddenly went from being the best to not even breaking top 20 (Edwig van Hooydonck). etc

 

[Andy99]

Salvetore Puccio to replace Christian Knees for sky.

Must be one of the youngest starters?

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Salvetore Puccio to replace Christian Knees for sky.

Must be one of the youngest starters?

Is there anyone in the team who has not been slated to take that 8th spot now?

 

[Michielveedeebee]

That's very very optimistic considering Van Avermaet's heel problems. I'd be suprised if he top-30's with all his injury problems as of late

edit: lol the jump between 91 and 92

1992:4 km@3,7%---6:07---average speed 39.24 km/h(Moreno Argentin)
1991:4 km@3,7%---6:57---average speed 34.53 km/h(Claudio Chiappucci)

All of a sudden they went up 5km/h faster than before..
Hmmm I WONDER HOW THAT IS POSSIBLE /sarcasm

Also, the times don't get any slower

 

[Andy99]

Is there anyone in the team who has not been slated to take that 8th spot now?

Ha. Guess not! Maybe it will be someone else by the morning..