McQuaid...out of control? [UCI/Pat McQuad discussion]

[webvan]

Contador's doping case exemplifies the systemic distortions caused when wealthy celebrities break rules. Contador should have been banned months ago.

Yes, that was the only reasonable approach, positive for a banned substance in A+B -> banned by the UCI, no fussing needed. Then it's his choice to fight it or not.

Still that doesn't justfiy the

Whether he is guilty or not, Contador has damaged us very much," said McQuaid

statement, how could Contador have damaged "us" if he's not guilty ?! Something must have been lost in the translation English -> French Newspaper -> English

I'm guessing he said

Whether he is guilty or not, cycling has been damaged very much

so much is true unfortunately.

 

[dolophonic]

Again,bad move by Pat.
There is so much bias going on here its out of control.
He's down with the Schlecks despite the proven link to Fuentes but Bertie is a bad boy that Must be punished......Aaaaaah!

 

[TERMINATOR]

to quote El Presidente today
" Whether he is guilty or not, Contador has damaged us very much," said McQuaid.
and the Lance Armstrong saga is not ????????????

Please please Pat resign and lets get somebody who cares about Pro Cycling and not his ego !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Contador has a pending analytical positive. Lance has a pending analytical nothing.

What would you like Pat McQuaid to do? Tell me what you would differently if you were Pat McQuaid.

 

[TERMINATOR]

Again,bad move by Pat.
There is so much bias going on here its out of control.
He's down with the Schlecks despite the proven link to Fuentes but Bertie is a bad boy that Must be punished......Aaaaaah!

CONTADOR HAS AN ANALYTICAL POSITIVE FOR A BANNED SUBSTANCE. WHAT BIAS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??????

If someone is arrested for drunk driving and they blow a .15 in the Breathalyzer, do you actually think there is "bias" in saying the guy is guilty?

Contador doesn't even contest the analytical test result!

 

[icefire]

CONTADOR HAS AN ANALYTICAL POSITIVE FOR A BANNED SUBSTANCE. WHAT BIAS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??????

If someone is arrested for drunk driving and they blow a .15 in the Breathalyzer, do you actually think there is "bias" in saying the guy is guilty?

Contador doesn't even contest the analytical test result!

This!

When McQuaid comments on this case before a decision is reached, McQuaid has damaged cycling because he undermines due process.

What would be the situation (and Pat's discourse) were it not for the leak from the German lab?

 

[TERMINATOR]

@ Terminator:
It may have mattered a bit if the entire process hadn't been delayed by the effort to keep the incident undercover for so long. It was approximately 2 months before any real action was taken or even an announcement. That in itself is questionable and suspicious. Behind it all is McQuaid, further sullying the sport with his continued lack of professionalism and curious methods.

There is no announcement that can be made by the UCI according to the rules. Therefore you are wrong on that.

Second, the UCI didn't delay anything. WADA, in light of Floyd's million-dollar 2 year defense assault when he tested positive, went ahead and tested the meat from the butcher in order to preempt Contador from using the tainted meat defense. Or if he did use it, they will have evidence there was no tainted meat.

So this whole delay thing is not what you think it is.

Finally, the UCI could not keep the matter "undercover" because when an athlete tests positive WADA is notified. WADA would never allow that to happen.

So everything you said is simply not accurate and you are making all sorts of assumptions and implications that are simply not true.

 

[TERMINATOR]

I agree - he should not speak out on any rider during a doping investigation.

McQuaid should be lobbying for rider suspensions to be accomplished withing days of a positive - not several months.

Contador had an analytical positive. Once that happens, there is no defense. You make it sound like McQuaid is just making stuff up.

CONTADOR TESTED POSITIVE. HE DOESN'T CONTEST THE LAB RESULT.

HIS DEFENSE OF TAINTED MEAT IS PATHETIC AND WILL NEVER WORK. HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SAMPLE OF CONTAMINATED MEAT!

Consequently, McQuaid is not biased or wrong in this case.

 

[TERMINATOR]

I have another name for the list of people that damage cycling.

The people who dream up their own version of "due and fair" process and then don't know what comments are and aren't appropriate when the process is under way.

Amongst a long long list of other things.

I no longer can think of any sane response to the endless stream of inappropriate drivel and nonsensical tripe that comes from the top.

For the common good, anyone, please, turf this joke from our sport.

McQuaid's personal statements have nothing to do with compromising due process since he has nothing to do with deciding the case. It would be a different matter if an arbitrator on a CAS panel said those things, but not McQuaid.

McQuaid has no obligation to be neutral in light of an analytical positive where the athlete doesn't even contest the test result!

 

[AussieGoddess]

Terminator - the point is .... as President of the overseeing body, McQuaid should NEVER be commenting on a case that has yet to be determined.

No matter what evidence there is, or how it is damaging - he just CANNOT comment on individual cyclists cases.

THAT is what damages cycling. Not an individual drug case.

 

[Runitout]

Contador had an analytical positive. Once that happens, there is no defense. You make it sound like McQuaid is just making stuff about.

CONTADOR TESTED POSITIVE. CONTADOR DOESN'T CONTEST THE LAB RESULT.

HIS DEFENSE OF TAINTED MEAT IS PATHETIC AND WILL NEVER WORK. HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SAMPLE OF CONTAMINATED MEAT. IT'S JUST A STOPRY!

Consequently, McQuaid is not biased or wrong in this case.

Please, there's no need to SHOUT.
The words get read, all the same.

 

[atorok]

The UCI had already decided that AC will not participate in the TDF. So much for due process. McQuaid damages cycling with his arbitrary comments and not allowing due process to proceed. His continued comments about AC are just getting worse. His leaving cycling might be a great thing.

Indeed AC will leave cycling and Armstrong should of done it a while ago. Now it's time for McQuaid and Prudhomme to leave pro cycling and let start all over again with folks who knows cycling inside out like Hineault, Lemond and Bugno. No more favoritism and political bull****. These guy's will apply the rules in favor of the show and the fans point of view. I thought the FIA was screwed up, never mind the UCI.

 

[atorok]

Indeed AC will leave cycling and Armstrong should of done it a while ago. Now it's time for McQuaid and Prudhomme to leave pro cycling and let start all over again with folks who knows cycling inside out like Hineault, Lemond and Bugno. No more favoritism and political bull****. These guy's will apply the rules in favor of the show and the fans point of view. I thought the FIA was screwed up, never mind the UCI.

On second thought I raise my hat to Prudhomme, he selected only French teams on his TDF "wild card" roster mind that he had to put up with McQuaid pro tour crap rules and leave behind Sastre and Menchov. Good for him! Now we all know AS will be in the history books for 2 TDF. Just to show how the system is badly managed.

 

[luckyboy]

Terminator - the point is .... as President of the overseeing body, McQuaid should NEVER be commenting on a case that has yet to be determined.

No matter what evidence there is, or how it is damaging - he just CANNOT comment on individual cyclists cases.

Yeah, this is just unbelievable.

Praying there's gonna be someone to run against him in 2013.

 

[TERMINATOR]

Please, there's no need to SHOUT.
The words get read, all the same.

There is a need to shout when dealing with some of the stupidity on this board.

 

[Berzin]

The UCI had already decided that AC will not participate in the TDF. So much for due process. McQuaid damages cycling with his arbitrary comments and not allowing due process to proceed. His continued comments about AC are just getting worse. His leaving cycling might be a great thing.

Fat Pat isn't interested in due process. He is looking to protect Armstrong's record of 7 Tour wins. What better way to do it than to get rid of Contador during his prime racing years?

They did it once for no reason in 2008, why not again now? Contador should have had 4 Tour wins by now, clearly within striking distance of the already heavily tainted record.

But McQuaid, who has stated in the past that even if Armstrong is found guilty of doping during his reign still considers him a great champion, speaks volumes to his political affiliations.

 

[no_slipstream]

yeh the UCI and IOC worked well together to destroy track cycling, now he wants to do the same to the Grand Tours
yes the analogy to Blatter is correct, he is in the pocket of Barcelona and the Spanish FA- I get the same suspicions when I see McQaid and Brunyeel talking outside plush hotels about the LA scandals in 2000.

 

[saxe_coburg_gotha]

Must admit I gave McQ the benefit of the doubt until I heard him speak and realised the shambles he is overseeing at uci. coruption, incompetence and carefree.
Cycling is a beautiful sport and like other sports is run by self interested officials more interested in networking and living a 5 star lifestyle.
He is out of control simply because there is no control.

 

[Ryaguas]

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I guess that Pat McSUCKS thought that was about time to give new polemics declarations... this guys is just a joke... give me a break and LEAVE CYCLING NOW B**ch...

 

[avanti]

World Tour

The UCI has implemented the World Tour but no one seems to know the rules!!!!

"New rules and a secret ranking system to decide the 18 ProTeam for 2011 has also created a lack of clarity." per Eisel.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/eis...rity-and-promotion-of-uci-world-tour-calendar

Events are not making McQuaid look like a good leader.

 

[luckyboy]

But McQuaid, who has stated in the past that even if Armstrong is found guilty of doping during his reign still considers him a great champion, speaks volumes to his political affiliations.

Wow, I had not heard that before.

 

[theswordsman]

Cyclismag today compared a few Pat McQuaid quotes about Armstrong and Contador. This next quote jumped out at me. It's something a current Geox manager told Cyclismag he overheard McQuaid say in 2008.

As it Cyclismag was echoed in February 2008, Joxean Matxin, current manager of the team sports Geox, said he had heard the President of the UCI declared that "the cyclists were not entitled to the presumption of innocence, "before adding" the reputation of the UCI is above the laws of Spain.

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http://www.cyclismag.com/index.php?op=edito

 

[TERMINATOR]

Terminator - the point is .... as President of the overseeing body, McQuaid should NEVER be commenting on a case that has yet to be determined.

No matter what evidence there is, or how it is damaging - he just CANNOT comment on individual cyclists cases.

THAT is what damages cycling. Not an individual drug case.

Wrong. For 2 reasons.

One, 99.9999% of cyclists who have an analytical positive are found guilty. So for you to imply that McQuaid should (or even can) remain neutral is meaningless. If 99.999% certainty exists in a given process, why is it so 'important' and 'crucial' for McQuaid to be neutral? Do you think that by making statements, McQuaid will increase WADA's conviction rate from 99.99998% to 99.99999%?

Second, McQuaid never pronounces someone guilty or not. You misinterpret what he says and add all sorts of implications to his statements that he never actually made (or implied) himself.

Show me a link to a single post where McQuaid is quoted as saying Contador is guilty. Yet in everyone's mind - including yours - McQuaid has already done this. But in reality, he hasn't. You just misinterpret his quotes.

Show me 1 link with a quote from McQuaid where he says Contador is guilty. I'm waiting...

 

[webvan]

The real problem people were having was with the latest (mis)quote : "wether he is guilty or not, Contador has damaged us". Clearly this is unacceptable and boils down to English->French (published in French newspaper) -> English. He can't have said that, it's completely flawed. What he likely said is 'whether he is guilty or not, we (cycling) have been damaged", so much is true seen from a distance.

However when something "hits" you have to deal with it and the way you deal with it and figure out is damaging or not. In this case, the UCI can't be lauded for their efforts.

 

[Oldman]

Cyclismag today compared a few Pat McQuaid quotes about Armstrong and Contador. This next quote jumped out at me. It's something a current Geox manager told Cyclismag he overheard McQuaid say in 2008.

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http://www.cyclismag.com/index.php?op=edito

I'd like to see that on film with surrounding spectators...to see if anyone kept a straight face.

 

[Pelican]

Corruption at the UCI... Never!?!?!?!?

Interesting that McDudd says "It's impossible to be corrupt in the way we're being accused, in terms of bribery and assisting riders cover up doping positives,". Leaves it pretty open that there are plenty of other ways the UCI can be corrupt and no doubt is!

But even if its not corruption in things like 'jobs for mates'; 'process of awarding of championships'; and 'their total lack of transparency in deciding ProTeams and pretty much any other decision' - the accusations should be in its hiring of incompetent staff and the mishandling of things like TV for the sport. They are the most useless sporting body in world sport (and that's saying something!).